Does everyone agree that the american should and must pull out now?
I myself think that the Iraqi police and army will not cope at all, I beleive that they will be bought by the highest bidder, the most powerful party, they might also be used again as an instrument to bring another mad man into power.
An iraqi and japaniese man were talking. The japaniese said proudly: we in japan have the most inteligent brains in the world, the most stupid one of us invented the mobile phones. So the iraqi said proudly, we in iraq made the most stupid man in the country our president god bless him.
Indeed she was a creazy girl, she ask american to go out with out time teble and she told that iraqis can make democracy, costruct the country, and make security now?????????????? انها طرطورة لا تعرف الوضع وتريد قول شيء بدون علم او انها مدفوعة من جماعات لا تريد للعراق الديمقراطية والتقدم والبقاء في عبادة حاكم دكتاتوري
< Message edited by al ani -- 1/29/2007 4:22:59 PM >
I never met the man, never really bothered to listen to him, I really don't like the idea of having a Kurd as president of an Arab country. Yet, why don't we all get off our big fat ****s and help the man to be someone we are proud of. Why can't we change our ways? My friend this isn't an attack against you, this about us all here. We expect the damage of 40 plus years since 1963, to resolved in a month, or two, or a year. Supermen are only in comics, and those people are not. I looked at the history of iraq since 1888 when the british handed Kuwait provence to Al-Sabah, until now. We haven't had much peace, we haven't had the freedom, we haven't had democracy, so why can't we put our religions aside, and give help, support and a chance for this government to work. They cannot fight the insurgents and build at the same time, it is impossible. Yes we might hate him, we might think he is what he is, after all he is our president like it or not, he is accountable in a democracy, and if he doesn't fulfill his role, then we'll vote someone else next time. What do you sadiq my friend? I love to see complete peace, I love to see all our Iraqi families come home again and help, I love to see our businessmen, doctors, scientists, engineers back to iraq to start building the country. I love to see our youth cleaning their neighbourhood, street by street, house after house. The mighty country got to stand up again. I love to see all those forgien ****s who ruined our country to get out or be excuted. We can't take anymore bombs, and we will not accept the life we have now. Insha Allah someone will listen.
No they can't pull out now. A full American withdrawal will leave Iraq at Iran’s mercy. The civil war would drag on for decades and Iran would be free to plunder Iraq’s wealth and resources. In the end a large portion of Iraq would effectively become part Iran and it’ll take a much bigger war to redress the balance.
I doubt if the 20,000 extra troops will make much difference to what happens inside Iraq but it will deter Iran from stepping up its campaign to split the country and become the Middle East’s Superpower. For this reason and this reason alone the Americans will never withdraw from Iraq.
If the Americans want to make a real difference they should sent 150,000 extra troops and use them to secure our borders. By doing this they can prevent Iranians, Syrians, and Saudis from supplying the Militias and Insurgents with intelligence, funding and weapons. If they cut off the supply it would be the first big step towards allowing internal politics a better chance to sort itself out.
nobody will listen in this discusting world they want my american people especially the american government want only the oil of iraq that is my country USA.
Viewpoint on this topic taken from today's edition of the Guardian Newspaper:
US troops will stay in Iraq, and the war will get worse Ed Harriman February 1, 2007 The Guardian
Bush and Baker agree that the country is much too important to American interests to be left to its own devices
The war in Iraq is intensifying. More American combat troops are arriving. They are in more battles with insurgents. And from Washington there is a crescendo of briefings accusing the Iranians of flooding Iraq with money and weapons and even of arming Sunni insurgents. We shouldn't be surprised - this is what George Bush and his war planners intended. Even the Baker-Hamilton Iraq Study Group, in its report before Christmas, said it could support a short-term "surge" to try and regain control of Baghdad.
The bottom line is that the president, the study group and most Washington policy-makers want to get as many US combat troops as they can out of Iraq by the US presidential elections in 2008. But that doesn't mean pulling out. Consider the study group's "solution", which is widely considered "realistic" and is common ground with the administration. If the official Iraqi army and police can somehow be miraculously turned into efficient, disciplined, and loyal fighting forces, then US troops can leave and Iraqis will be left to kill each other. That would nicely reduce both the estimated $8bn a month cost of the war, and US casualties. In addition, the study group wants some 10,000 to 20,000 US troops, mostly officers, to stay, embedded in the Iraqi units down to company level. US forces would also "assist Iraqi-deployed brigades with intelligence, transportation, air support, and logistics support, as well as providing some key equipment", in other words, just about everything that makes up a modern army. As if that weren't enough, the US should leave behind "rapid-reaction and special operations teams". These, presumably, could include covert operations such as assassinations and bombings, thwarting or encouraging coups and squaring up to the Iranians on the border. So much for Iraqi sovereignty.
But Washington's war planners have an enormous problem largely of their own making. The Iraqi army and police upon whom even cosmetic US withdrawal is supposed to depend are woefully under-trained, poorly equipped, riddled with corruption and heavily infiltrated by insurgents and militias. In the heyday of Paul Bremer's Coalition Provisional Authority, now nearly four years ago, the Americans had big plans for the Saddam-free police and army. But as US troops pulverised Najaf and Falluja, most of the new Iraqi soldiers and policemen refused to fight, and many openly collaborated with their countrymen.
Soon after Bremer quit Iraq, in the summer of 2004, the US had a big rethink. Some $3bn intended to provide Iraqis with water, sanitation and electricity was grabbed to pay for the new Iraqi security forces, which became the biggest item of American "reconstruction" spending. The approach proved as self-serving as other reconstruction projects. Hugely expensive no-bid contracts were awarded to US firms, which took massive profits and delivered next to nothing. Staff rioted over pay at DynCorp's big police training camp in Jordan. Police and army barracks fared no better. Of the $7.3m spent building a police academy in Hillah, south of Baghdad, much went to corrupt US officials. In a report just published, the auditors found Dyncorp was paid $43.8m for another police camp in Baghdad that was never used, including $4.2m for a VIP compound with a swimming pool.
As for weaponry, Iraqi investigators discovered that during Iyad Allawi's interim government the Iraqi defence ministry spent some $1.3bn on fraudulent contracts, all undertaken while American advisers were working within the ministry. The miserable fact is that today the Iraqi army still can't repair and overhaul by itself the useable weapons and vehicles it does have. Nor can it supply food, fuel and ammunition to its units, nor even move troops and patch them up when they're wounded. American commanders can't even say how many Iraqis they've trained in logistics. The Pentagon refuses to give Congress meaningful data about the combat-readiness of American-trained Iraqi forces.
As for the Iraqi police, the Americans are powerless within a Shia-controlled interior ministry rife with torture, death squads and thousands of ghost employees on the payroll. Millions of dollars-worth of new hardware have gone missing, including more than 13,000 Glock 9mm pistols, now probably in the hands of the militias. The study group's solution to this legacy of gross incompetence and corruption is to transfer the paramilitary Iraqi national police and border guards (now within the interior ministry) to the defence ministry. This would neatly put them under the thumb of US military advisers, leaving the interior ministry with Iraq's detectives and cops on the beat. Fat chance. To many Shias this looks suspiciously like a crude attempt to disarm them.
The unpleasant truth is that George Bush, James Baker's study group and many who support them agree that Iraq is much too important to American interests to be trusted entirely to the Iraqis. They also agree that US troops are going to stay in Iraq to fight on their own and to run the Iraqi army. Which means the war will get worse. Which means there are going to be a lot more dead Iraqis even if - and it's a big if - there are fewer body bags carrying dead US soldiers by the next American elections.
The president went to the doctor to ****eck his brain, after detailed examination, and all xray, MRI scan and the rest, the doctor said: ( As you know Mr President you have two brains, one to the left and one to the right. The left one has nothing right in it and the right has nothing left in it.) If there are no insurgents, no fighting, peaceful country will America stay in Iraq? Its our fault as well as the forgien fighters for keeping america, britain and the rest in Iraq.
I am going to be different here and say I do think the americans will pull out due to inside and outside pressure. The american people don't want their boys away from home, 95% of countries don't want america in Iraq. Do we have a strong army to defend us against other countries? Can we control our borders? Is our police big enough strong enough to maintain law and order? We all want the americans out, and the british. But we need someone to help us.
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