Thank god you are not talking about wife swapping, everytime I look at the title, shivers run down my spine.
Sadiq with respects to you, many prophits and saints said and taught us endlessly. But, we should look behind the words and not take them at face value.
In every country, every society, every language there are bad and good people and never ever judge a book by its cover. Being a muslim, speaks arabic isn't a ticket to heaven, I am afraid to say that the religion has been interpruted in so many way because muslims from other countries don't understand what they are reading in the holy book.
is this story true or only propoganda from sadrs oponent? it is very complicated because now they say that if the mehdi army was permited to carry weapons then this problem with the pilgrims would not happen. maybe there is a need for this militia for now. when iraq recovers then the militia can be disolved? I dont know.
The story is true. I have heard it from people who interact with the Jihoosh. The Mehdi's would not have been able to prevent the suicide bombings. Perhaps if there were an exchange of fire yes, but what can they do about a man who straps dynamite to his chest and walks amongst the pilgrims? No one can stop this, not even the Americans with all their technology.
Just to show I'm not anti everyone in Al Thawra (only those supporting the Jihoosh Al Mehdi). The below article deals with a positive development in this part of Baghdad. Anyone who has ever been to Al Thawra will know how bad these people had it under Saddam. They had no focus, zero support and their public service facilities were a disgrace. This type of treatment by Saddam lead to empty minds who will follow any strong personality offering them hope and protection (enter Muqtada HABBIBI Sadr). By offering them facilities and improving their standard of living perhaps we can engage their minds with something other than their Jihoosh Militia. As the Mayor says and I quote "We need to engage people as soon as possible, get them working, make them busy,"
Sadr City officials see a bright future ahead By Damien Cave Published: March 9, 2007
BAGHDAD: When Raheem al-Darraji looks at the dusty lots just east of Sadr City where scores of bodies have been dumped since last year, he visualizes a Ferris wheel, a roller coaster and perhaps a merry-go-round.
"We should have an amusement park," said Darraji, one of two elected mayors in Sadr City, the sprawling Shiite neighborhood where U.S. and Iraqi troops have been peacefully clearing homes since March 4. "We want to rehabilitate the area so that families can have fun."
In an interview at his office, Darraji said that the amusement park was one of several projects that community leaders are pushing U.S. officials to fund in negotiations about how to handle the Mahdi Army, the Shiite militia that has controlled the neighborhood for years.
A concentrated makeover of Sadr City, he said, would support the plan's goals in two important ways: by giving young Mahdi militants an alternative to a life of violence and by providing residents with proof of the government's ability to improve their daily lives, diluting support for the militia.
Darraji's requests, however, also reflect a broader effort by Iraqi leaders to dart past "clear and hold" to the more lucrative phase of the new security plan known as "build."
Even as bombings and killings continue, Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al- Maliki has already labeled the plan a success. His Shiite-led government has allotted $10 billion this year for reconstruction throughout the country and with billions more expected from the Americans, Iraqi leaders at all levels are scrambling for control of how the windfall might be spent.
Ahmad Chalabi, who has re-emerged as an intermediary between Baghdad residents and the Iraqi and U.S. security forces, now regularly holds meetings with leaders from all over Baghdad as they compete for roles in managing the expected infusion of projects and jobs. At one recent gathering in the Green Zone, representatives from 15 neighborhoods in eastern Baghdad stood one after another to explain why they should be chosen to lead.
For U.S. officials, Sadr City's calls for an amusement park and other projects raise a particularly thorny question of trust. In 2004, American troops battled Mahdi militants here for days. More recently, U.S. military officials have accused the militia of using deadlier roadside bombs, possibly provided by Iran, that have killed at least 170 U.S. service members.
At the same time, the negotiations over the Mahdi militia, along with the arrest or flight of several commanders, appear to have led to a temporary truce. American soldiers were welcomed into people's homes this week on streets where they had once been shot at. General David Petraeus, at his first news conference as the top U.S. commander in Iraq, acknowledged Thursday that the Mahdi militia included a mix of both violent extremists and those with more benign motivations.
Darraji stressed that Sadr City as a whole "wants to open a new page in its story." He said Mahdi fighters had laid down their weapons to give the government a chance and that the opportunity should not be missed. He emphasized that the prime minister's office was already seizing the moment with an expanded job recruitment drive for neighborhood residents. As proof, Darraji — a chain-smoking tribal sheik partial to tailored suits — opened a door near his office and pointed to a pile of red, green and yellow folders that he said were job applications for every part of the government.
"We've collected more than 2,000 applications," he said.
He and other Baghdad government leaders said that the U.S. military would be smart to add hundreds of additional jobs in the neighborhood because it held at least 1.5 million people, or about a third of the city, and had just begun to revive after decades of neglect. They said the neighborhood deserved to become a model of what might be possible elsewhere.
"The plan is not only about security," said Naeem al-Kabbi, Baghdad's deputy mayor in charge of municipal services. "It's about security, services and reconstruction."
Darraji said that he specifically pressed U.S. officials for money to build playgrounds with tennis courts that would appear every few blocks. He said he pressed the Americans for money to rehabilitate a handful of lakes on the neighborhood's western edge and for more control over the contracts so they could be assigned more quickly.
"We need to engage people as soon as possible, get them working, make them busy," he said. "These are quick projects. After these we will move on to medium and larger plans."
if there is peace and iraq become open for business i garantee u that all iraq will have work and many companies from europe and usa will beg iraq for a chance to work. what happen in sadr city must happen all over baghdad and there must be much more project like this one for the local people. i wish to hear more good news from baghdad not always killing and boming.
This is an interesting article concerning Maliki pre-warning Sadr of his Jihoosh Al Mehdi leaders possible capture. Copy of Maliki letter attached.
Maliki's Sadr Warning: Real or Hoax? Top Official's "No Comment" Lends Credibility; Doubts Remain
A top Iraqi official has returned a significant "no comment" about a controversy involving an allegedly official document that purports to show that Prime Minister Maliki warned Muqtada al-Sadr of risks that top-tier leaders of the Mahdi Army could be captured or killed by the US.
Mowaffak al Rubaie, national security advisor to PM Maliki, was named as a key participant in the discussions. IraqSlogger's Eason Jordan contacted him directly, querying the authenticity of the letter, to which al-Rubaie responded by email with the words, "no comment."
While this is clearly not a confirmation of the validity of the letter, Rubaie could have easily referred to the document as a hoax if he so desired.
The document, whose authenticity has not been verified, appears on what looks like official letterhead, and names members of the Mahdi Army leadership who are allegedly slated to be relocated to Iran with the full cooperation of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard. The date January 17, 2007 appears at the top. A second tier of the Mahdi Army is advised to relocate to southern Iraq, according to the letter. The original allegations of a secret warning from Maliki to Sadr first appeared in Peyamner, a Kurdish news agency. The whereabouts of Sadr have been the subject of much speculation in the recent weeks. Various Iraqi and American officials have said that Sadr fled to Iran last month, but this has been vehemently denied by a number of Sadr’s aides, who have insisted he is in Najaf.
Iran has officially rejected claims that Sadr is in that country. "He is not in Iran . . . this claim is unfounded and part of the US psychological warfare against Iran," Mohammad-Ali Hosseini, Foreign Ministry spokesman, said at his weekly press conference on Sunday, according to the IRNA.
However, an Iranian Arab dissident group has announced that top Mahdi Army officials are in southwest Iran, under the escort of Iranian guards, as Slogger reported earlier. The group does not allege that Sadr himself is in Iran. It is worth noting that this area of Iran borders the southern marshlands of Iraq, where the alleged official document indicates that the "second tier" of the Sadrist leadership should be sent. In an exclusive, IraqSlogger reported last week that it is possible that even his closest aides do not know the whereabouts Sadr himself.
One detail leaves some doubt in the minds of Slogger analysts over the authenticity of the document. In the copy obtained by IraqSlogger, the PM allegedly refers to Muqtada al-Sadr with an honorific term reserved for very highly esteemed Shi`a leaders (dama dhilluhu). It seems unlikely that Maliki, who is not a follower of Sadr in the religious sense, would use this term to refer to the cleric.
While this alone does not disprove the authenticity of the document, especially in light of Rubaie's refusal to comment, it would lend slight credence to the possibility that this letter was produced by anti-government, anti-Sadr groups who would like to portray the prime minister as under Sadr's thrall, and involved with him in a pro-Iranian conspiracy.
Below is an image of the letter, as obtained by IraqSlogger, followed by the English translation produced by Lt. Col. Rick Francona , as posted on Alphabet City. (We have made one alteration to the Francona translation. Francona rendered dama dhilluhu as "God Bless." There is no English equivalent, but Slogger has changed this to the more appropriate "May his authority endure." The Francona translation is otherwise sound.)
This is an interesting article concerning Maliki pre-warning Sadr of his Jihoosh Al Mehdi leaders possible capture. Copy of Maliki letter attached.
Maliki's Sadr Warning: Real or Hoax? Top Official's "No Comment" Lends Credibility; Doubts Remain
A top Iraqi official has returned a significant "no comment" about a controversy involving an allegedly official document that purports to show that Prime Minister Maliki warned Muqtada al-Sadr of risks that top-tier leaders of the Mahdi Army could be captured or killed by the US.
Mowaffak al Rubaie, national security advisor to PM Maliki, was named as a key participant in the discussions. IraqSlogger's Eason Jordan contacted him directly, querying the authenticity of the letter, to which al-Rubaie responded by email with the words, "no comment."
While this is clearly not a confirmation of the validity of the letter, Rubaie could have easily referred to the document as a hoax if he so desired.
The document, whose authenticity has not been verified, appears on what looks like official letterhead, and names members of the Mahdi Army leadership who are allegedly slated to be relocated to Iran with the full cooperation of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard. The date January 17, 2007 appears at the top. A second tier of the Mahdi Army is advised to relocate to southern Iraq, according to the letter. The original allegations of a secret warning from Maliki to Sadr first appeared in Peyamner, a Kurdish news agency. The whereabouts of Sadr have been the subject of much speculation in the recent weeks. Various Iraqi and American officials have said that Sadr fled to Iran last month, but this has been vehemently denied by a number of Sadr’s aides, who have insisted he is in Najaf.
Iran has officially rejected claims that Sadr is in that country. "He is not in Iran . . . this claim is unfounded and part of the US psychological warfare against Iran," Mohammad-Ali Hosseini, Foreign Ministry spokesman, said at his weekly press conference on Sunday, according to the IRNA.
However, an Iranian Arab dissident group has announced that top Mahdi Army officials are in southwest Iran, under the escort of Iranian guards, as Slogger reported earlier. The group does not allege that Sadr himself is in Iran. It is worth noting that this area of Iran borders the southern marshlands of Iraq, where the alleged official document indicates that the "second tier" of the Sadrist leadership should be sent. In an exclusive, IraqSlogger reported last week that it is possible that even his closest aides do not know the whereabouts Sadr himself.
One detail leaves some doubt in the minds of Slogger analysts over the authenticity of the document. In the copy obtained by IraqSlogger, the PM allegedly refers to Muqtada al-Sadr with an honorific term reserved for very highly esteemed Shi`a leaders (dama dhilluhu). It seems unlikely that Maliki, who is not a follower of Sadr in the religious sense, would use this term to refer to the cleric.
While this alone does not disprove the authenticity of the document, especially in light of Rubaie's refusal to comment, it would lend slight credence to the possibility that this letter was produced by anti-government, anti-Sadr groups who would like to portray the prime minister as under Sadr's thrall, and involved with him in a pro-Iranian conspiracy.
Below is an image of the letter, as obtained by IraqSlogger, followed by the English translation produced by Lt. Col. Rick Francona , as posted on Alphabet City. (We have made one alteration to the Francona translation. Francona rendered dama dhilluhu as "God Bless." There is no English equivalent, but Slogger has changed this to the more appropriate "May his authority endure." The Francona translation is otherwise sound.)
i do not understand this maliki and mehdi army relationship. it is now time for all iraq to see that this goverment is not good for iraq. you must put army in charge for a few years because what is hapening now is very bad for iraqs future. too many militias terorists and corupt ministers stealing all the money and not doing eniough to stop this kiling because as long as the crazines continue it will be easier to steal. iraqi people must stop this before iraq is finished and u have no country left. i pray for u all.
A prime minister almost begging to send those Iranians out of Iraq, good god, I remember when all Iranian got executed when they were asked to leave and didn't. Anyone who was married, or originally came from Iran had to declare it. I do believe in talking, and talking, and talking, but enough is enough, there are times when we got to be tough, and I don't mean more blood, but kick their butt out of Iraq.
And for you Sadiq, are you on something illigal, or is that your intelligent as far as it goes and stretches?? Please let us know, I am very interested.
< Message edited by Calm -- 3/19/2007 5:47:05 PM >
(A prime minister almost begging to send those Iranians out of Iraq, good god, I remember when all Iranian got executed when they were asked to leave and didn't. Anyone who was married, or originally came from Iran had to declare it. I do believe in talking, and talking, and talking, but enough is enough, there are times when we got to be tough, and I don't mean more blood, but kick their butt out of Iraq).
ORIGINAL: Calm I do believe in talking, and talking, and talking, but enough is enough, there are times when we got to be tough, and I don't mean more blood, but kick their butt out of Iraq.
do not forget that prophet mohammed (peace be upon him) in his life he said : love the arabs for three things (1- because i am arabic. 2- the holy book of quran is arabic. 3- and the language spoken in the heaven (paradise) is arabic.), he also said if you can learn and speak arabic never never learn to speak persian (irani ofcourse) because it will teach to be hipicrate (meaning telling lies) other meaning (monafiq).
Sadiq am not sure where you got that hadeeth from, but I have never heard it. Can you give me the book title or the source you got it from?
Yes I am sure that Turks spread Islam as well, but I was just mentioning how the persians don't like the arabs because Islam 's messenger and Holy book are arabic, which makes Islam seem like an arab religion. But its a religion of God not the people. Islam is of course for everyone.
no they never the turks spread the islam it was only the arab.
but the turk now they have islam? they also spread it in old rusia and east europe. i dont understand. arab start islam but many other people spread it. in usa there is black muslims who are from the 1960. in malasia amnd indonesia also spread islam. not only arab is islam now. many peope from the world are muslim and spread the islamic religon. u r wrong with respect.
Now the Sunna Islamists are distorting Islam to fill their pockets at the expense of our christian community.
Baghdad (AINA) -- Muslims in the Dora neighborhood of Iraq are forcing Assyrians (also known as Chaldeans and Syriacs) to pay the jizya, the poll tax demanded by the Koran which all Christians and Jews must pay in exchange for being allowed to live and practice their faith as well as being entitled to 'Muslim protection' from outside aggression.
At least two cases have been reported to a government employee -- who wishes to remain anonymous -- in which the Christian Assyrian wives were instructed to go to a certain mosque and pay, which they did out of fear. The stated reason for the payment was "we do the fighting and you pay to support."
The jizya has been collected since the arrival of Islam in 630 A.D. The last systematic collection was by the Ottomans (Turks), which came to an end only in 1918, when the Ottoman empire was defeated and partitioned in World War One.
hi mr sadiq2006. sorry but i dont understand this is what i said? of course arabs r the ones that spread islam but now we have muslims in europe and usa and asia. so not only arab spread islam these days. islam is now internatinal religon.
Good to see Muqtada can still communicate orders to his Jihoosh Al Mehdi whilst bravely sitting out proceedings in Tehran!
Is there no end to this man's selfless dedication and bravery in the face of the opressors?
US battles militia in Iraqi city US and Iraqi troops have been engaged in a second day of fierce fighting with Shia militias they are trying to oust from the central city of Diwaniya.
The fighting is part of an operation to extend the recent security drive beyond Baghdad to other parts of the country. Jets and tanks have been supporting ground troops in the offensive against militiamen loyal to radical Shia cleric Moqtada al-Sadr.
i read today that mehdi army will make big protest in najaaf because they want the usa to leave iraq. pls someone explain to me something. if the usa did not come 2 iraq there will be still saddam and no mehdi army. mr sadr will still live in iran and iraq will hjave no rites for shia militia in the goverment. so why do sadr and mehdi army want usa to leave. i think they must thank usa for making it posible for them to exsist. what is it i am missing here? can anyone explain plsssss?
Again a good question. I suppose the Jihoosh realise that as long as there are coalition forces on the ground they can't run amok as they please. Its a case of thanks for putting us here but now get the hell out so we can so our own thing.
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