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azinorum -> Wife swapping Mehdi Army (1/26/2007 5:07:33 AM)

I came across this article written by Nibras Kazimi on his blog site THE TALISMAN GATE. In it he claims and argues that the Mehdi Army, with kind permission from our dear friend Muqtada, swap wives based on a Fatwa issued by Sadr Jr.

I've heard these rumours for a long time but this is the first article I came across that deals with the issue in some depth. Comments welcome.

Sadrists and Sex Orgies
http://talismangate.blogspot.com/2007/01/sadrists-and-sex-orgies.html
 
There is also an article in the Washington post which tells the story of a woman who enters into a contract with a shiek for a mutaa marriage. This is a side of life in Iraq that 99% of Westerners know nothing about. See below:
 
By Nancy Trejos
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, January 20, 2007

 
BAGHDAD -- Fatima Ali was a 24-year-old divorcee with no high school diploma and no job. Shawket al-Rubae was a 34-year-old Shiite sheik with a pregnant wife who, he said, could not have sex with him.

Ali wanted someone to take care of her. Rubae wanted a companion.

They met one afternoon in May at the house he shares with his wife, in the room where he accepts visitors seeking his religious counsel. He had a proposal. Would Ali be his temporary wife? He would pay her 5,000 Iraqi dinars upfront -- about $4 -- in addition to her monthly expenses. About twice a week over the next eight months, he would summon her to a house he would rent.

The negotiations took an hour and ended with an unwritten agreement, the couple recalled. Thus began their "mutaa," or enjoyment marriage, a temporary union believed by Shiite Muslims to be sanctioned by Islamic law. The Shiite practice began 1,400 years ago, in what is now Iraq and other parts of the region, as a way to provide for war widows. Banned by President Saddam Hussein's Sunni-led government, it has regained popularity since the 2003 U.S.-led invasion of Iraq brought the majority Shiites to power, said clerics, women's rights activists and mutaa spouses.

"During Saddam's time, there was no religious freedom," said Faris al-Shareef, a sheik who lives in the mainly Shiite city of Hilla.

Opponents of mutaa, most of them Sunni Arabs, say it is less about religious freedom and more about economic exploitation. Thousands of men are dying in the sectarian violence that has followed the invasion, leaving behind widows who must fend for themselves. Many young men are out of work and prefer temporary over permanent wives who require long-term financial commitments. In a mutaa arrangement, the woman is entitled to payment only for the duration of the marriage.

"It's a cover for prostitution," said Um Akram, a women's rights activist in Baghdad. "Some women, because they don't want to be prostitutes, they think that this is legal because it's got some kind of religious cover. But it is wrong, and they're still prostitutes from the society's point of view." Um Akram, like the mutaa spouses interviewed, asked that only parts of her name be published.

Many intellectuals consider ancient traditions such as these an obstacle to Iraq's effort to become a more modern, democratic society. In recent years, extremist religious groups have gained more power in Iraq.

"These steps are taking the whole country backwards and are definitely hurdles to the advancement of the country," said Hamdia Ahmed, a former member of parliament and a women's rights activist in Baghdad. "The only solution is to separate Islam from politics."

Shiite clerics and others who practice mutaa say such marriages are keeping young women from having unwed sex and widowed or divorced women from resorting to prostitution to make money.

They say a mutaa marriage is not much different from a traditional marriage in which the husband pays the wife's family a dowry and provides for her financially.

"It was designed as a humanitarian help for women," said Mahdi al-Shog, a Shiite cleric.

According to Shiite religious law, a mutaa relationship can last for a few minutes or several years. A man can have an unlimited number of mutaa wives and a permanent wife at the same time. A woman can have only one husband at a time, permanent or temporary. No written contract or official ceremony is required in a mutaa. When the time limit ends, the man and woman go their separate ways with none of the messiness of a regular divorce.

Although the temporary arrangements are becoming more common, they are still controversial, and people usually conduct them secretly.

Ali had a normal marriage once. It lasted only three months because the couple did not get along. Her chances for another permanent marriage, she said, were slim. Men often prefer virgins over widows and divorced women, she said.

She welcomed Rubae's proposal because he was a well-known sheik in her neighborhood. Her family was fond of him. "He was a good guy, and he was a religious man," she said.

Rubae had been in 15 mutaa marriages before. A year ago he entered into a permanent marriage with a woman who had been his mutaa wife for a day. When she became pregnant eight months ago, she suggested he take a temporary wife but asked him not to tell her if he did. She does not know about his involvement with Ali.

"As a pregnant woman, she cannot give me my needs," Rubae said. "She treats me real good and she wants me to be happy."

He chose Ali partly because her blond hair, light brown eyes and petite figure had always attracted him. "When she puts makeup on, it destroys her beauty," he said.

He also liked that she was religiously devout, and he said he wanted to keep her from a relationship outside of marriage.

Ali didn't think of him in a romantic way at first. "After we got married, I started loving him," she said.

The money he gave her helped. Her father owns a bakery but money has always been tight, so much so that she had to end her education after elementary school. But money wasn't her only reason for entering the enjoyment marriage. "I have needs just like any other woman," she said.

Both Shiite and Sunni Muslims allow men to have more than one permanent wife, but they disagree over mutaa.

Most Shiites believe that the prophet Muhammad encouraged the practice as a way to give widows an income. Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani, Iraq's most revered Shiite cleric, has sanctioned it and offers advice on his Web site.

Um Ahmed, a 28-year-old woman from Najaf, lost her husband in 2005 when he was caught in the crossfire of a fight between two Shiite militias.

Soon after his death, she had her first mutaa relationship, with a man who was in a permanent marriage. He paid her 50,000 Iraqi dinars upfront -- or $38 -- and gave her money whenever she needed it during their six-month relationship.

She said she needed it often. She is a tailor and the only one in her family of 10 who works.

"When a human being needs money, the need will make a person do anything," she said. "It's better than doing the wrong things. This is religiously accepted."

Many Sunnis believe that the practice is outdated and ripe for abuse. They also see it as more evidence of Iranian influence on Iraqi life. Mutaa is widespread in Iran's Shiite theocratic state.

"It is a big insult to women," said Ibtsam Z. Alsha, a Sunni lawyer and the head of the organization Women for the Common Good of Women.

Women's rights activists also bemoan what they say is an increase in mutaa on college campuses. Some female students do it for money. Others do it for love when their parents forbid them to marry a man from another sect.

Amani, a 22-year-old Baghdad University engineering student, said she is a Sunni but agreed to enter into a mutaa relationship with her Shiite boyfriend because her parents disapproved of him. "I hated my family because they did not allow this marriage," she said. "I did this to spite my family."

Still, she has not told them about the relationship. "If they find out, it will be my end," she said.

A woman cannot terminate a temporary marriage before it expires unless the man agrees, said four sheiks interviewed for this article.

Once the marriage is over, she has to wait at least two menstrual cycles before she can have another relationship so that paternity can be easily determined if she becomes pregnant, they said.

Most mutaa contracts stipulate that no children be produced. If a woman were to become pregnant anyway, Islamic law would require the man to support the child, the sheiks said. But the clerics disagreed over how much power they have to impose that rule.

Rubae said the man who refuses his child would be whipped or even killed. "We as the sheiks should be sure this thing will stay legitimate," he said.

Shareef, the sheik from Hilla, said some men take advantage of their rights under religious law but refuse to accept their responsibility when a child is born. In some of those cases, he said, a sharia court, using Islamic law, is not as effective as a secular court in enforcing the rules.

"I am supporting the idea of the government regulating mutaa marriages, just like the permanent marriages, so these man cannot run away," he said. "Otherwise the women are losing their rights."

Um Akram, the women's rights activist in Baghdad, said more women are asking her organization for help in getting national identification cards for children born of mutaa relationships. Parents must present a marriage certificate to obtain the identification cards, which are required by schools and employers.

Um Akram said some single women have given up their children for adoption to married couples who can use their marriage certificates to register them.

"The men just hit and run, and they don't want to have a family," she said. "The children are paying the price."

Ali and Rubae agreed not to have children. They simply wanted to enjoy each other.

On the days he could see her, he gave her flowers, perfume, clothing and a watch. They had meals together. Sometimes he could spend the whole day with her. Other times, just five or six hours.

Ali said she cried when the marriage ended early last week. "It's just like a permanent marriage," she said. "When he leaves, I become sad."

Her sorrow did not last long. Rubae said Jan. 12 that he had decided to marry her again. This time, he said, he would marry her for a year, enough time for his wife to fully recover from childbirth.




Calm -> RE: Wife swapping Mehdi Army (1/26/2007 11:38:16 AM)

Salam

Am I missing all the fun, and spend hours on this site.  Good god I am changing my religion straight away.

Can I ask how many temporary wives can I have? Obviously one isn't enough for a healthy Iraqi man.  My second question is do I have to buy perfumes, food, and presents all the time? Isn't it enough for her of having me?

Like said in past articles, education  education  education.  Without it, what do we have in our Islam, twisted small minded Mullahs who think their powers are greater than our beloved Allah. 

May god show them the right road to follow, and my friends whatever your believes are, what those Mullahs are doing is nothing to do with Islam, but their greedy nature.  God will find a way of punishing them.




azinorum -> RE: Wife swapping Mehdi Army (1/26/2007 12:57:20 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Calm
Can I ask how many temporary wives can I have? Obviously one isn't enough for a healthy Iraqi man.  My second question is do I have to buy perfumes, food, and presents all the time? Isn't it enough for her of having me?


1. As many as you can afford. That's on top of the 4 wives you can have officially. Get the cheque book ready!
2. Yes my dear, presents, money, doctors bills. These women aren't after a man's personality, the wallet is god to them. It's not that uncommon in the West except they have a different name for it. Mistresses

quote:

May god show them the right road to follow, and my friends whatever your believes are, what those Mullahs are doing is nothing to do with Islam, but their greedy nature.  God will find a way of punishing them.


Unless we get to them first.

Another article concerning the rise in Mutaa Marriages in Iraq.

Mutaa marriage revival sparks debate in Iraq
By Solomon Moore   17 January, 2007
 
NAJAF: She is a 49-year-old divorced mother of seven children. He is a well-off farmer, with his own wife and children. Theirs is a secret betrothal, with perfunctory vows exchanged alone in a bedroom for an ephemeral union. “Mutaa,” or temporary marriage, a 1,400-year-old tradition, is regaining popularity among Iraq’s majority Shia population after decades of being outlawed by the Sunni regime of Saddam Hussein.

Sunnis make up about 20 per cent of Iraq’s 26 million population and Shias 60 per cent. Kurds, who are predominantly Sunni, make up about 15-20 per cent and the remainder is Christian or from other smaller sects. According to Shia religious law, unmarried women and widows may enter into Mutaa or temporary marriages with men (married or not) for periods as brief as a few hours or as long as a lifetime. Dowries, too, range from virtually nothing to millions of Iraqi dinars.

Shia religious scholars, including Iraq’s highest religious authority, Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani, have sanctioned Mutaa despite the social taboos attached to such marriages. Women activists in Iraq last year fought an effort by constitution drafters to endorse some form of Sharia, or Islamic law, in matters of marriage and family. The new national charter includes an article that allows Iraqis to choose their marital status according to their beliefs, and reinforces the primacy of civil authority in family law. Whatever the religious legalities involved, people who participate in Mutaa — especially women — risk their reputations and prospects for permanent marriage.

The divorcee, a resident of this Shia-dominated southern city who asked that her name not be used for fear of being stigmatized, said she had few options after her husband left her in 1991 without financial support. She found her Mutaa spouse shortly after the divorce, she said, and they have been together since. “He lives with his own family, so he would come to me for visits only. And he takes care of my children’s expenses without his family’s knowledge,” she said. “This Mutaa marriage is something between me and him. Only Allah knows of it.”

Shia and Sunni sects disagree on the lawfulness of Mutaa. Shia scholars consider it to be in accordance with Islamic law, whereas many Sunni authorities regard it as a sexual relationship outside religious behaviour. Some Shia scholars say the holy prophet Muhammad (pbuh) sanctioned Mutaa marriages for his companions during their wars and campaigns to spread Islam in present-day Saudi Arabia. Other historians argue that the practice existed in pre-Islamic societies and was later permitted by the holy prophet.

Even though the practice quietly persisted during the Saddam regime, temporary marriages have experienced a resurgence in Iraq since the 2003 fall of the military regime of Saddam Hussein, say women’s advocates, social workers and Mutaa spouses. They see that as a sign of rising Shia influence in political and religious affairs and the explosion of cross-border traffic between Iraq and Iran, where Mutaa is even more popular. Critics of the practice also blame Iraq’s dire economic straits and the lack of opportunities for unmarried women. Many of the poorest people in Iraq are widows and divorced women with children. On any given day, women in black “abayas,” often with children in tow, can be seen threading their way through traffic jams, begging for money. Women’s rights activists call Mutaa an exploitative arrangement. Aida Nasser Hussein Mosawi, who runs a Najaf-based women’s rights centre, said many women entered into the marriages not for pleasure but for financial reasons. She said many Mutaa brides had no other means of support.

Mosawi criticized the Iraqi government for failing to fund women’s aid programmes and for ceding authority over marriage and family law to Shia religious authorities under the newly ratified charter. “The clerics issue fatwas condoning this practice that allows men to treat women like prostitutes. They take her for a short time and then he leaves her — it’s all up to him,” she said. “If men want to marry women, they should come through the door, not the window, and if women really felt like they were half of our society, they would not sell themselves so cheap.”

Sheik Adel Amir Tureihi, a Shia cleric in Najaf, said Mutaa marriages were consensual and preceded by a mutually agreed-upon dowry and duration — although men can end the relationship any time they like. Witnesses are required, but Iraqis say some couples dispense with that rule.

Tureihi said the practice was designed to provide Muslims with a lawful outlet for natural sexual desires. “People need sex just like they need food,” he said. “Islam is a natural, organic religion.”

But Azhar Tureihi, a Najaf-based gynecologist not directly related to the sheik, said Mutaa marriages carried serious societal consequences, regardless of how readily religious authorities accepted the practice. She said she knew of a woman who became pregnant during a temporary marriage and was the victim of an “honour killing” by her brother.

“This kind of killing is called ‘shame washing’ — the brother went to the police and confessed,” the physician said. “The sentence for this type of killing is normally only 10 months.” Near the shrine of Imam Ali in downtown Najaf, a 35-year-old shopkeeper who gave his name only as Hussein said he hoped his temporary wife would agree to be his second permanent wife.

“I saw her at my shop. She was buying things with her mother, and I started talking to them,” he said. “I knew that her husband died in the (1991 Persian Gulf war) in Umm Qasr — she’s 30 years old.” Hussein said he received permission from the woman’s mother to have Mutaa, and they agreed on a five-year term. Polygamy is permitted in Iraq, but he is uncertain what his first wife will say about him marrying another woman. “There are a lot of cases like that — sometimes the marriage could start with a few hours, but then it is extended for years,” he said. “Or other times it starts with five years and then it can end before.” Nearby, another shopkeeper took a more casual view. He chuckled to himself as he recounted his many temporary brides.

“This is better than committing adultery because it is permitted,” he said, speaking on condition of anonymity. “And sometimes my wife is sick or travelling or outside the house. This kind of marriage can be for one year, one month, one day, one hour — whatever you decide.”

Najaf social worker and marriage counsellor Sadiq Rasool called temporary marriage a legitimate institution that was sometimes abused.

“Some people use the needs of women to persuade them to go into temporary marriage,” he said. “But if it is practiced according to its pure religious laws, it will be useful to society.” But he acknowledged that there were disadvantages for women who hoped to wed permanently later, and he suggested that the government allow only widows and divorcees to use Mutaa marriages. Rasool acknowledged the double standard applied to women who participate in temporary marriages.

“A man might think of this kind of marriage as a good thing for himself,” he said. “But if some Mutaa suitor came and asked for his sister or daughter, this same man would not accept this.”—Dawn/Los Angeles Times News Service




Iraqi100Percent -> RE: Wife swapping Mehdi Army (1/26/2007 2:05:31 PM)

This is so typical of Nibras Kazimi a guy from Kurdish and Iranian parents working in Washington and well known for his close work with Ahmad Chalabi and the US government.

Although he pretends to be a religious Shia he's an Iranian Shia and it's expected of him to attack the Arabic Shia, of Al Sadr.

For Nibras Kazimi to attack the Sadr movement and ignore the crimes by Hakim and his Badr Brigade tells you the sad story of the Iraqi people who are being governed by a government tha'ts controled by the Mullas of Iran, under US eyes.







azinorum -> RE: Wife swapping Mehdi Army (1/26/2007 2:56:58 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Iraqi100Percent
For Nibras Kazimi to attack the Sadr movement and ignore the crimes by Hakim and his Badr Brigade tells you the sad story of the Iraqi people who are being governed by a government tha'ts controled by the Mullas of Iran, under US eyes.


So are you saying that the Sadr movement is not supported by Iran?? I don't know Mr. Al Kazimi but at least he supports his arguments by fact. He has disputed these claims about Sadrists but before doing so he presents a valid argument which is more than I can say for many "ex pat intellectuals" on the blog stratosphere at the moment. If he was so pro Iran then he wouldn't have exposed this issue.




Iraqi100Percent -> RE: Wife swapping Mehdi Army (1/26/2007 3:14:02 PM)

Find me an article written by him that attacks the Dawa or SCIRI movement in Iraq, you won't.

There are many different currents in Iran playing their game in Iraq. The only one that's Arabic is the Sadr one and don't forget the Sadr made a fatwa to make it possible for a Shia to kill another Shia in self defence, namely Arab Shia vs. Iranian Shia. I believe that one of the reasons Saddam execution was leaked to the public is to justify the crackdown on the Sadr movement under the hands of the Dawa and SCIRI.

This is not to say that I agree with what the Mahdi army is doing, they are as guilty as the others but I guess the catch here is, Iraqi government and media (along with the one here in the USA) are putting the blame on one Shia party, ignoring or giving cover for the other two Shia parties namely SCIRI and Dawa.

If you think the mess in Iraq is because of Al Qaeda/Zarqawi/Baathists only then you haven't see much. Wait and see what Shias can do to each others.




azinorum -> RE: Wife swapping Mehdi Army (1/26/2007 3:22:03 PM)

If you read my posts you would know that I don't blame whats happening in Iraq on one entity. I will however say that dear Muqtada doesn't even have the authority to issue fatwas but does so regardless. His followers seem to have conveniently forgotten this fact because they are all monkeys who dance for the highest bidder. You could be right about Al Kazimi being pro Hakim and his Badr brigade and I will look into the issue further. In fact I'd never heard of him before I stumbled across his blog. Do you have any articles or blogs written by him that support your claim that he is pro Hakim? Please share if you do. Regards Azinorum




Zeynab Hassan -> RE: Wife swapping Mehdi Army (1/26/2007 8:55:26 PM)

Wow what's that the religion modernization of 2007?? How on earth is anyone going to believe that those are the Islamic teachings that the beloved prophet Peace be upon him has taught us?? Don't they understand that this is what makes our religion so much different and peaceful...why are they changing that??  Well Islam is already modernized even though it came 1,400 years ago. Thats why muslim women had their rights since then, while the "modernized west" just gave rights to their women in the 1800s or more accuratly in the 1900s. Iran and the Persians are behind all that...I don't know why they are so jelous of Arabs because thats where Islam spread its roots from,and the Arabs were the ones that were the crusaders that spread Islam to all the world, but still we are not going to be racist and say "Arabs" but we say Muslims instead because that includes everyone. So, Persians are changing Islam day after day until they come up with their own abhored religion, so that they will get some "followers" and be leaders and be "better than Arabs. We are not trying to make anyone follow us, but rather follow Allah's book, and the Prophet's teachings. And if you are a Muslim you should know that there are many great muslim scholars that are not Arab, yet we still follow them, for they have fullfilled the teachings of Islam and they know what they are talking about.We really don't care who it is we follow, whether it be an Arab or a Persian, but we care for them to be on the right path. So like I said, THEY ARE CHANGING OUR RELIGION. ONE DAY THEY BEAT THEMSELVES AND ANOTHER DAY THEY PERMIT ADULTRY. AND ANOTHER DAY THEY SAY THE QUR'AN IS NOT THE ACCURATE ONE, AND THAT ITS BEEN CHANGED. WHAT ARE THESE PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT?? DON'T THEY UNDERSTAND THAT ITS USELESS TO ALWAYS FOLLOW SOMEONE THAT IS LEADING THEM TO MISERY.AND THATS WHAT I TRIED TO POINT OUT IN MY VERY FIRST POST ON THIS FORUM I WAS SAYING THAT ALL THIS IS HAPPENING TO MUSLIMS THESE DAYS BECAUSE ITS PUNISHMENT FOR THEIR SINS. ESPECIALLY THE ONES IN IRAQ. THEY ARE LEAVING ALLAH BEHIND AND PRAYING TO SOME GRAVES THAT NEITHER HEAR THEM NOR BENIFIT OR HARM THEM...WHY HAVE PEOPLE BECOME SOME IDIOTS?? I HOPE YOU GUYS UNDERSTAND WHAT  I AM SAYING AND THAT I AM TYPING IN CAPS BECAUSE I AM REALLY PISSED RIGHT NOW AND AS LONG AS I SEE AND HEAR THESE PEOPLE. I HOPE THAT ALLAH TAKES THEM AWAY FOR THEIR OWN GOOD BECAUSE THEY ARE HARMING HUMANITY MORE THAN BENEFITING IT. THEY ARE SOME IDIOTS AND IF THEY ARE ON EARTH LONGER THAN THAT IT WELL JUST BECOME HELL. EVERYWHERE YOU FIND THESE PEOPLE, YOU WILL FIND TROUBLE AND DISTRUCTION[sm=smiley7.gif]






azinorum -> RE: Wife swapping Mehdi Army (1/27/2007 2:54:27 AM)

Hi Zeynab, long time no see: This was my point from the beginning. The extremists from all sides, Sadr, Badr etc, cannot be involved in the political process. They would love to start implementing these types of "fatwas" on a national level (just like Iran). These Iranian supported Parties/Militias and their leaders should never have been given political recognition in the first place. As we say "May feed weyahum". They are stuck in a time warp and want to drag Iraqi back into the dark ages.

The below is another report from Nov 2006 concerning another of Muqtada the moron's illegal fatwas, this time targeting the Christian community.

Sadr Followers Target Assyrian School Girls in Baghdad
AINA 30 November, 2007

Baghdad (AINA) -- Followers of Moqtada al-Sadr have issued a fatwa concerning school girls, according to an Assyrian priest in Baghdad. The fatwa requires all girls to wear the veil while attending school. In an unusual twist of logic, the fatwa implies that failure to wear the veil would be tantamount on the girls' part to complicity in the death of the Imam Husayn ibn Ali (killed in 680 A.D. in Karbala in a battle with the army of the Caliphate.)
 
The priest indicated the fatwa was at least for the New Baghdad neighborhood, where many Christians live, and that he feared for the safety of the Christian girls in the area.
 
The fatwa appears to be an attempt by Sadr and his followers to establish a Taliban style Islamic theocracy in Iraq. According to an article in the Middle East Journal, "Muqtada called on May 2 [2003] for strict Islamic law to be applied to Iraq's Christians, as well, including the prohibition on bars and on allowing women to appear unveiled. This ruling appears to be a restatement of one of his father's fatwas, but this time the al-Sadr family had the authority to make it stick in some parts of Iraq. In contrast, Grand Ayatollah Sistani issued a statement saying that the Najaf establishment had not called for forcible veiling."
 
Editor's note: AINA has withheld the name of the priest to ensure his safety.




scourgeofthegod -> RE: Wife swapping Mehdi Army (2/7/2007 10:58:23 PM)

you forgot something, not only Arabs spreaded Islam but also Turkish . Ottomans especially  helped spreading islam  not only in deserts but also in europe and asia. otherwise islam would be an arab religion , now it is a world religion as Quran says that islam was sent to all humanity, not only  a single tribe or continent.please add turkish to your comment.




azinorum -> RE: Wife swapping Mehdi Army (2/25/2007 5:32:22 PM)

Latest reports on Jihoosh Al Madi's movements during the security crackdown; just a question before I go...why do Americans have to make every operation sound like a WWF event?? [8|]




Iraq: Al-Sadr Pulls Support For U.S. Crackdown
February 25, 2007 - KUNA
 
Iraqi Shiite rebel leader Muqtada al-Sadr withdrew his support Feb. 25 for the U.S.-led security crackdown in Baghdad. An aide to al-Sadr read the statement in the group's stronghold Sadr City, saying that the security measures have no benefit since they are controlled by the United States. The statement was issued shortly after a female suicide bomber detonated her vest packed with explosives, killing at least 40, in the lobby of a college in Baghdad connected to al-Sadr's Mehdi Army.
 
US Army arrests five Mehdi militants, one terrorist in Iraq
BAGHDAD, Feb 25 (KUNA)
 
Five members of Al-Mehdi militias were arrested in northern Baghdad and one terrorist was apprehended near the Iraqi-Syrian borders, the US Army said on Sunday.

The US Army said in a statement five members of the Mehdi militias were arrested during a search operation conducted by the coalition forces, supported by the Iraqi Army, in the northern Baghdad Husseiniya district.

The detained militia members, it said, were implicated in kidnappings, killings, and bombings targeting civilians and the Iraqi Army. Another US Army statement said a terrorist was arrested in the Tel Abta village near Telafer at the Syrian-Iraqi borders.

According to the statement, the detainee facilitated the entry of foreign militants into the country.

 
Iraq: Suicide Bomb At University In Baghdad
Feb 25, 2007 - AP
 
A suicide bomber detonated at the main entrance to the College of Administration and Economics in eastern Baghdad, killing at least 40 people and injuring more than 30 on Feb. 25. The bomber was confronted by guards as he tried to enter the college, part of Baghdad's al-Mustansiriya university, which is controlled by Shiite militia the Mehdi Army. The university has been targeted previously and reportedly has received threats demanding its closure.

Sadr slams Baghdad security plan, bomber kills 40
February 25, 2007 - Source: Reuters
 
BAGHDAD - Radical Iraqi Shi'ite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr withdrew his support for a security crackdown in Baghdad on Sunday, hours after a female suicide bomber wearing a vest packed with explosives killed 40 in a student college. Police earlier said the bomber at the Baghdad Economy and Administration College was a man. But they later said it was a women, who blew herself up in the lobby of the college after she was stopped by guards.

The move by Sadr, an anti-American cleric, is a blow for Shi'ite Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki, who on Saturday had expressed optimism about the U.S.-backed offensive. Until now, Sadr has supported the plan, seen as a last ditch attempt to halt all-out civil war in Iraq. He said it would not work because U.S. forces were involved. "There is no benefit in this security plan because it is controlled by the occupiers," said an aide to Sadr, reading a statement from the cleric in front of thousands of chanting supporters in the firebrand's stronghold of Sadr City. 

"(The United States) is watching car bombs explode, taking the souls of thousands of innocent Iraqi people." Sadr led his Mehdi Army militia in two uprisings against U.S. forces in 2004. The militia has avoided any confrontation with U.S. forces this time and there was no indication in Sadr's statement that this position would change. Sadr is now an important player in Iraqi politics, and is a key supporter of Maliki. 

Police put the death toll from the college bombing at 40, with 55 people wounded. Most of the victims were students.

"May God curse the terrorists," some students shouted after the attack. Others sat on the ground outside weeping. A string of car bombings and rocket salvos also hit Baghdad on Sunday as U.S. and Iraqi security forces stepped up efforts to stamp out Sunni-Shi'ite sectarian bloodshed. Washington has accused Shi'ite Iran of fuelling violence in Iraq and says sophisticated Iranian-made weapons have been increasingly used by Iraqi militias to kill U.S. troops. But Iraqi National Security Adviser Mowaffaq al-Rubaie told CNN Iranians had stopped training and providing weapons to Iraqi Shi'ite militants to give the security plan a chance to work. 

"There is no doubt in my mind that recently in the last few weeks they have changed their position and stopped a lot of their tactics and interference in Iraq's internal affairs," Rubaie said in an interview. It was unclear if he was referring to Iran's government or other Iranians. Iraqi President Jalal Talabani meanwhile has fallen ill and is travelling to neighbouring Jordan for tests, officials said. 

"He had a drop in blood pressure. Doctors said he needs further tests," said Deputy Prime Minister Barham Salih.

BLOOD

A professor at the Baghdad college said the suicide attack occurred as students were leaving morning classes and arriving for afternoon lessons. Others doing exams were wounded by flying glass that tore through their classroom, the professor said. 

"There were bodies everywhere," said the professor, who declined to be identified. The blast left large pools of blood in the college reception area. Textbooks and pens lay scattered on the floor. The college is part of nearby Mustansiriya University, hit by twin bombs last month that killed 70 people, mainly students. Sadr's statement praised Iraq's security forces.

"You are able to protect Iraq and its people by your courage and sacrifice, not by the airplanes and tanks of the occupier," Sadr said. 

Talabani has said Sadr had told some of his Mehdi militia commanders to leave Iraq to ensure the security plan was a success. Sadr himself has not been seen in weeks, with the U.S. military saying he is in Iran and his aides insisting the young cleric is still in Iraq. Wshington calls the Mehdi Army the biggest threat to peace in Iraq. Rubaie said there was some evidence Iranians had been supporting some Shi'ite militia groups fighting U.S. troops.

U.S. officials say the Quds Force, a unit of Iran's Revolutionary Guards, was arming and training such groups. Washington is especially concerned about explosively formed penetrators, a sophisticated Iranian-made roadside bomb the U.S. military says has killed 170 U.S. soldiers in Iraq since 2004.




Calm -> RE: Wife swapping Mehdi Army (2/25/2007 9:49:55 PM)

Why?

They are killing the future of Iraq.  Why would anyone kill themselves and others and for what?  What have they achieved with all this?




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sadiq2006 -> RE: Wife swapping Mehdi Army (2/26/2007 9:57:58 AM)

scourgeofthegod
 
wy od we need to turkish to our comment they never did any good things in the past 400 years ago all they have is black history and the arabs are the first people in the world to spread islam in europe from spain (andalus) it was never turkish those criminals naive.  




sadiq2006 -> RE: Wife swapping Mehdi Army (2/26/2007 9:59:37 AM)

scourgeofthegod
 
why do we need to add turkish to our comment they never did any good things in the past 400 years ago all they have is black history and the arabs are the first people in the world to spread islam in europe from spain (andalus) it was never turkish those criminals naive.  




Harry -> RE: Wife swapping Mehdi Army (2/26/2007 4:22:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: scourgeofthegod

you forgot something, not only Arabs spreaded Islam but also Turkish . Ottomans especially  helped spreading islam  not only in deserts but also in europe and asia. otherwise islam would be an arab religion , now it is a world religion as Quran says that islam was sent to all humanity, not only  a single tribe or continent.please add turkish to your comment.


You may not respect the opinion of a non-Muslim, but it is a mistake to believe that Turks ever spread Islam. All they did was try to eliminate non-Muslims so only Islam remains as a dominant religion. The only mentality they followed throughout their dark history is to consider non-Muslims as “Kaffers”; in fact they label all those who did not convert to Islam by that name, Christians in particular.
 
That is the same mentality tat some radical and extremist Mullahs are following these days, by trying to eliminate all those who are not following their own beliefs, considering them against Islam.
 
About Islam not being an Arab religion, it is your second mistake. Islam is an Arabic religion, it was born, flourished, and nurtured among Arabs, and the reality is (correct me if I am wrong) the holy Qur’an is written in Arabic, and it is considered a sinful act to be translated to any other language.
 
Regardless of which ethnicity an individual Muslim belongs to, he/she has to read the Qur’an, and pray in Arabic and only in Arabic.




azinorum -> RE: Wife swapping Mehdi Army (2/26/2007 6:05:37 PM)

Written by an old family friend.

We bow respectfully to the Iraqi Christians every year
By Khalid Issa Taha
 
My people, what we are and what you are, when our nation Iraq is one and we have the chance to live together. Neither your religion, nor my religion encourages us to be enemies of each other or to be both enemies of others and be aggressive to each other.
 

I am a Muslim - yes I am a Muslim but my living, my education and my upbringing was in the Christian society. It was in a secondary school boarding house called Baghdad College that was run by the Jesuit Fathers Catholic Church. On university Al Hakma which also belonged to the Jesuit Fathers. I have brothers and people whom I lived with and they are closest of all Christians. It was also by chance that three of my neighbours were Christians. My neighbours went to church every Sunday and I went to mosque every Friday. We were children, bought up together, lived together and we loved each other. They were my brothers and they are as brothers till now even when I am in England. We communicate regularly; we congratulate each other for the festivals - Christmas and New Year.
 

I still always digest all my memories of my childhood and my youth which was wonderful and spent peacefully with this sector of Iraqis - the Christians. The more I age, honest to God I feel that the people more sincere to me and to Iraq are the Christians. They are the child of Jesus- Jesus who wanted peace and spread peace. Even when they took him to crucify him. I will never forget what he said before they killed him. One of the Jewish cruel people asked him -did you say that you are the son of God? Jesus answered him - you said it!
 

What is bothering me a lot and something that I find hard to believe is that when it was Christmas and New Year time, the head of the church of Iraq, cardinal of Iraqi Christians Reverend Rofael Dawood announced the cancellation of all praying in churches because of continuous bombing of churches in Baghdad and Mussel. Could anybody believe that this was happening in Iraq, where Christians and Muslims have lived together for ages and are happy to live with each other? They are all living in Iraq and love Iraq. I wonder to myself what is the reason that pushes these terrorists and criminals to the level that they bombed the churches and prevented the people from praying. These good people, they have always been peaceful people seeking a peaceful life. They followed and prayed Jesus who preached peace and who wanted to spread prosperity to everybody.
 

These are really sad days, and all the Muslims are deeply hurt because of the preventing of Christians from praying in the churches and the cancellation of the parties which everybody, and precisely the Muslims, are always waiting to enjoy. These parties are such a big chance to meet, to greet each other, eat and drink and to enjoy themselves. These parties were where many love stories were formed, many acquaintances and friendships were created. These parties started early and never finished till everyone had taken breakfast at 6 in the morning. There used to be an unlimited flow of champagne. At the end of the parties all were one family, kissing each other in a friendly and brotherly way. Alwiya club, Al Mashrab club, Baghdad club all shared these big events.
 

My people have been patient, but there is a limit to the patience and for everything there is always a full stop. All of us should try to seek who is behind these crimes against the Christian Iraqis. Is it a foreign hand from one of the neighbouring countries interfering in our life, or is it the mercenaries, who are paid to do such things. They are skilled for everything cruel and criminal. These forces want to stop our lovely and happy parties and stop us from praying in the church and instead make life in to a circus of crying, shouting and tears. How far they could go? In my opinion they could not go far because all Iraqis are close to each other and they love each other.
 

We will all pray to cut down these dirty hands who want to separate us. We are all against terrorists, whether they belong to the neighbouring countries, or to the occupation, or any kind of terrorists. We join all the good people in the world against terrorists and we want their help to stop this catastrophe that Iraq is facing. Iraq will always be the secular society with Christians and Muslims and other religions living together like they have been for the past 7000 years. God bless all and we are all under the blessings of Allah, Jesus and Prophet Mohammed.




Mout Ahmar -> RE: Wife swapping Mehdi Army (2/27/2007 12:06:08 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Calm

Why?

They are killing the future of Iraq.  Why would anyone kill themselves and others and for what?  What have they achieved with all this?


nothing. they achieved nothing only killing brothers and sisters. today i read that one minister was hurt in a bom at the ministry. it seem like these criminals can go where they want and do what they want. it sems like there is no one who can stop them.




Mout Ahmar -> RE: Wife swapping Mehdi Army (2/27/2007 12:11:04 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: azinorum

I have brothers and people whom I lived with and they are closest of all Christians. It was also by chance that three of my neighbours were Christians. My neighbours went to church every Sunday and I went to mosque every Friday. We were children, bought up together, lived together and we loved each other. They were my brothers and they are as brothers till now even when I am in England. We communicate regularly; we congratulate each other for the festivals - Christmas and New Year.


this is a very nice letter from the heart. this is how i remember iraq.




azinorum -> RE: Wife swapping Mehdi Army (3/2/2007 3:43:50 AM)

These are the real traitors. Read below:

Tehran, 27 Feb.(AKI)- US forces have arrested in Iraq a commander of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard (Pasdaran)'s Quds Brigade, Mohsen Shirazi, reports said on Tuesday quoting US sources. Shirazi is suspected of having aided Shiite insurgents on Iran's behalf. Shirazi was allegedly arrested in Baghdad in the home of top Shiite politician Abdul Aziz al-Hakim, leader of the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq (SCIRI). Washington accuses Iran of arming Shiite insurgents in Iraq who are fighting against US-led foreign troops in Iraq.




azinorum -> RE: Wife swapping Mehdi Army (3/4/2007 7:43:10 PM)

After being given a months advance warning the Jihoosh Al Mehdi have had ample time to stash their weapons, brush their teeth and comb their hair in readiness for these 'surprise inspections'. All this is taking place while their beloved leader 'Muqtada the Brave' follows the proceedings from the comfort of Ahmadinejad's lap in Tehran. 

Iraq crackdown on Shia stronghold BBC News - Sunday, 4 March 2007 More than 1,100 Iraqi and US troops have carried out an operation in Baghdad's Shia stronghold of Sadr City, the US military has said. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6417099.stm




Mout Ahmar -> RE: Wife swapping Mehdi Army (3/5/2007 3:31:16 AM)

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ORIGINAL: azinorum
Iraq crackdown on Shia stronghold BBC News - Sunday, 4 March 2007 More than 1,100 Iraqi and US troops have carried out an operation in Baghdad's Shia stronghold of Sadr City, the US military has said. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6417099.stm


maybe this time they will do some good and get rid of this militia of mr sadr? better to be hopeful than not. i hope they do it.




azinorum -> RE: Wife swapping Mehdi Army (3/5/2007 3:52:04 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Mout Ahmar
maybe this time they will do some good and get rid of this militia of mr sadr? better to be hopeful than not. i hope they do it.


I hope so too but everything points towards eventual failure. The problem is that most people that have weapons hid them a long time ago in preparation for the crackdown. Just how long will it be before funds and military resources run out. They can't patrol the streets forever. As soon as they announce this campaign is successfuly concluded everyone will dig up the weapons again. I hope I'm wrong but I don't think so.




sadiq2006 -> RE: Wife swapping Mehdi Army (3/6/2007 10:25:46 AM)

my dear harry
 
do not forget that prophet mohammed (peace be upon him) in his life he said : love the arabs for three things (1- because i am arabic. 2- the holy book of quran is arabic. 3- and the language spoken in the heaven (paradise) is arabic.), he also said if you can learn and speak arabic never never learn to speak persian (irani ofcourse) because it will teach to be hipicrate (meaning telling lies) other meaning (monafiq).    




Mout Ahmar -> RE: Wife swapping Mehdi Army (3/7/2007 5:43:12 AM)

mr sadiq. i thought you agree that mix religion with politics is bad?




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