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Kurds, Iran and Iraqi Shia - 1/13/2007 8:54:02 AM
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Iraqi100Percent
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Hoshyar Zibari said that the Iranians that were kidnapped from Arbil were in a building that has operated in Iraq for the past 10 years.
Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari said the building where the Iranians were detained Thursday had operated with Iraqi government approval for 10 years.
"We are now in the process of changing these offices to consulates," he said. "It is not a new office. This liaison office has been there for a long time."
This just tells you what Iran and the Kurds have been doing on Iraqi soil for the past 10 years. This office in northern Iraq was under the Kurdish controlled areas and the work done in this building was not done with the former Iraqi government, but with Kurdish rebels. It just tells you the extent of Iran's role in destabalizing Iraq.
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RE: Kurds, Iran and Iraqi Shia - 1/13/2007 11:24:38 AM
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Assalam alikom iraqi100%
happy to meet you in this Forum , but i would like to tell you that this is the politic, since saddam had attacked Iran , the Iranian governement wanted to change the old iraqi governement to have an opinion about iraqian politics by secret agents and the center in Arbil that the americans got into it was one of those secret irani centers for the last ten years, and actually kurds help them doing that mission.
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RE: Kurds, Iran and Iraqi Shia - 1/13/2007 12:54:08 PM
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Excuse me while I add fuel to the fire.....3 further reports about Iranian interference. These are just the recent ones.
Iranian agents arrested in Baghdad – BBC
LONDON (Reuters) - A British official has said five Iranians arrested in Baghdad last month in a raid by U.S. forces were senior intelligence officers thought to be on a covert mission to influence the Iraqi government, the BBC reported.
Several Iranians -- including two diplomats who were later released -- were arrested by U.S. troops in the raid, which the BBC said occurred on December 21 in the compound of SCIRI head Abdul Aziz al-Hakim, one of Iraq's most powerful Shi'ite leaders.
"There were five senior officers in various Iranian intelligence organisations," the BBC's Newsnight television programme, broadcast late on Thursday, quoted the unnamed official as telling it.
"It was a very significant meeting. These people have been collared, relatively speaking, up to no good."
Three intelligence officers had since been set free but the U.S. military continued to hold two others, the BBC said. The Foreign Office declined to comment on the report.
"We've always made clear it is vital that all Iraq's neighbours support Iraq as it develops its own security and democracy," a Foreign Office spokesman said.
"Anything that undermines the Iraqi government is unhelpful and any Iranian links to armed groups in Iraq are unacceptable."
British officials were quoted as telling the BBC that the raid produced some important intelligence in spite of failing to provide a "smoking gun" linking the Iranians to supplies of arms to Shi'ite militants who attack British troops in southern Iraq. The U.S. State Department has said "a small number" of diplomats were among those detained in raids last month against Iranians suspected of planning attacks on Iraqi security forces, but they were turned over to Iraqi authorities and released.
Iran's foreign ministry has said the diplomats had been invited by the Iraqi government. The BBC said the arrested men were in Iraq to hold high-level meetings with Iraqi Shi'ite factions.
"There was discussion of whether the Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki government would succeed, who should be in which ministerial jobs," one British government source told Newsnight.
"It was a very significant meeting. The fact of who some of the Iranians were is very significant."
Captured documents confirm Iran backing for all sides against U.S. in Iraq
WASHINGTON — The U.S. military has been analyzing Iranian intelligence memorandums and other reports that represent the strongest confirmation of long-standing assessments that Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps is aiding both Sunni and Shi'ite insurgents in an effort to undermine Iraq and expel the U.S.-led coalition. "The documents have been determined as authentic and provide the most detailed evidence of Iran's strategy in Iraq," an official said. "In short, Iran has been helping everybody, with the possible exception of the Saddam people, against us."
Report: 5,000 Iran agents behind Shi'ite death squads in Iraq
WASHINGTON — Iran maintains thousands of intelligence agents in Iraq, according to Saudi security sources. A report on Iran's intelligence presence in Iraq by the Saudi National Security Assessment Project asserts that Iran has at least 5,000 agents, responsible for helping establish Shi'ite death squads. Al Quds "has a close relationship with the Badr Organization and the Mahdi Army, as well as with smaller Iraqi Shi'ite militias," the report said. "Members of the Al Quds Forces organized what came to be known as the death squads under the former Iraqi Interior Minister."
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RE: Kurds, Iran and Iraqi Shia - 1/13/2007 3:10:14 PM
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The latest is that Hoshyar Zebari is claiming that the Iranians were working there with the approval of the Iraqi government.
Here are the last 2 reports:
Iraq backs Iranians seized by US Six Iranians held in a US military raid in northern Iraq were working there with the approval of the authorities, Iraq's foreign minister has said.
The Iranian liaison office in Irbil did not yet have full consular diplomatic status but it had been operating for years, Hoshyar Zebari said. The US said it believed the six people seized in Thursday's raid had targeted Iraqi and US-led coalition forces. Russia said the raid was "unacceptable" and a violation of international law. "It is absolutely unacceptable for troops to storm the consular offices of a foreign state on the territory of another state," Russian foreign ministry spokesman Mikhail Kamynin said. "It is also not clear how this fits in with American statements that Washington respects the sovereignty of Iraq," he said. Iraq's foreign minister said details of the detainees had been passed to the Americans. "We contacted the US embassy and submitted all the information available to us on the nature of their work and the place of their work," he said. "They have been working under the approval of the government." One of the group, seized when US troops stormed the building, has since been released. Mr Zebari said the other five remained in US custody. The troops raided the building at about 0300 (0001GMT), taking away computers and papers, according to local media. AFP news agency quoted Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman as saying he did not know the nationality of the six but said they were "suspected of being closely tied to activities targeting Iraq and coalition forces". The US is adamant that the building did not have diplomatic status. However, Tehran said the attack violated all international conventions. It has summoned ambassadors from Switzerland - representing US interests - and Iraq. A spokesman for Iran's foreign ministry described the raid as an attempt to sabotage Tehran's relations with Iraq. One Iranian MP said it showed America's cruelty and meanness. The raid comes amid high Iran-US tension. In a major speech on Wednesday, President George W Bush said the US would take a tough stance towards Iran and Syria, whom he accused of destabilising Iraq. BBC diplomatic correspondent Jonathan Marcus says the raid could signal a ratcheting up of pressure on the Iranians, in line with the rhetorical thrust of his speech. The US also accuses Iran of seeking nuclear arms. Iran denies both charges. Tehran counters that US military involvement in the Middle East endangers the whole region. In December, US troops detained a number of Iranians in Iraq, including two with diplomatic immunity who were later released.
Kurds Oppose U.S. Raid On Envoys
By LA Times - Published on 1/12/2007
Baghdad, Iraq — Iraqi Kurds, among America's staunchest supporters, condemned the detention Thursday of six Iranian diplomats during a raid by U.S. forces on an Iranian consulate in the Kurdish city of Irbil. The Kurdish president and regional government released a statement calling for the release of the six detained during the early-morning raid and firefight. One of the diplomats later was freed, the U.S. military said.
“The U.S. action does not conform to the policy of attempting to spread security and stability throughout all of Iraq,” the statement said, adding that the raid was conducted without local approval. “The people of the Kurdistan Region protest against and reject this action which violates our internal sovereignty,” the statement said. “We do not accept that disputes with our neighboring countries should be brought onto our soil.”
The raid follows similar detentions of Iranian diplomats during raids in Baghdad three weeks ago. The Bush administration has accused Iran of arming and supporting Shiite militias and meddling otherwise in Iraq's affairs. In his speech Wednesday night, President Bush vowed that troops will “interrupt the flow of support from Iran and Syria,” and “destroy the networks providing advanced weaponry and training to our enemies in Iraq.”
The raid occurred several hours before Bush's speech. The language of the Bush address contrasts with a call by the Iraq Study Group to open negotiations with Iran, as well as Syria. On Thursday, Iraqi government spokesman Ali Dabbagh urged the United States to repair relations with those nations, saying “we pay the price for the tension.”
In comments unrelated to the Thursday raid, Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Gen. Peter Pace on Thursday said it was “instructive” that raids against weapons suppliers have in the past “had policed up Iranians.”
“So it is clear that the Iranians are complicit in providing weapons, and it's also clear that we will do all we need to do to defend our troops in Iraq by going after the entire network, regardless of where those people come from,” Pace said in Washington, D.C.
Shocked Irbil residents said they saw U.S. soldiers drop from helicopters onto the Iranian diplomatic building at the center of town at about 4 a.m. The intense firefight that ensued on a residential street jolted residents in a city that largely has been spared the daily bloodshed of Baghdad, about 220 miles south. The U.S. military released a statement acknowledging that troops had detained six individuals suspected of attacking Iraqi and U.S.-led forces earlier in the day. But the statement said the six detainees were taken “without incident,” and did not specify the detainees' nationality or where they were found. Ali Saeed, a lawyer and civil rights activist, said the raid was troubling so close to Bush's Wednesday speech promising more troops and added security in Iraq.
“I understand the new strategy that Bush announced, but I think it was a bad start,” Saeed said of the raid. “There was no respect for our authorities here. And the Iranian policy is not made here . . . I am afraid this will spark a fire in this calm, secure region.”
Iran's Foreign Ministry spokesman Mohammad Ali Hosseini told a state-sponsored radio station that U.S. forces targeted a “diplomatic mission” with legally credentialed staff. He accused the United States of trying to “create tension” between Iraq and its neighbors. In Tehran, the Iranian government summoned the ambassadors of Iraq and Switzerland to demand an explanation of the incident, state-run television reported. The United States has no embassy in Tehran, where the Swiss diplomatic mission represents its interests.
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RE: Kurds, Iran and Iraqi Shia - 1/14/2007 3:07:01 PM
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people in the www.iraq4u.com what did it i tell you before that the kurds they did even from 200 years ago at the days of the ottoman empire god these mountain people the kurds and persians they will never learn their mistakes from past until the day of jugement god help MESOPOTAMIA.
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RE: Kurds, Iran and Iraqi Shia - 1/15/2007 3:01:05 AM
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people in the www.iraq4u.com what did it i tell you before that the kurds they did even from 200 years ago at the days of the ottoman empire god these mountain people the kurds and persians they will never learn their mistakes from past until the day of jugement god help MESOPOTAMIA.
tut, tut....those crazy mountain people. 
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RE: Kurds, Iran and Iraqi Shia - 1/15/2007 5:39:06 AM
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Slightly off topic. 
I came across the below article on the Guardian newspaper website. Amongst other things, it claims that an American Captain is selling arms to insurgents. Regards Azinorum
As 20,000 more US troops head for Iraq, Ghaith Abdul-Ahad, the only correspondent reporting regularly from behind the country's sectarian battle lines, reveals how the Sunni insurgency has changed!
Saturday January 13, 2007 - The Guardian
One morning a few weeks ago I sat in a car talking to Rami, a thick-necked former Republican Guard commando who now procures arms for his fellow Sunni insurgents. Rami was explaining how the insurgency had changed since the first heady days after the US invasion. "I used to attack the Americans when that was the jihad. Now there is no jihad. Go around and see in Adhamiya [the notorious Sunni insurgent area] - all the commanders are sitting sipping coffee; it's only the young kids that are fighting now, and they are not fighting Americans any more, they are just killing Shia. There are kids carrying two guns each and they roam the streets looking for their prey. They will kill for anything, for a gun, for a car and all can be dressed up as jihad."
Rami was no longer involved in fighting, he said, but made a tidy profit selling weapons and ammunition to men in his north Baghdad neighbourhood. Until the last few months, the insurgency got by with weapons and ammunition looted from former Iraqi army depots. But now that Sunnis were besieged in their neighbourhoods and fighting daily clashes with the better-equipped Shia ministry of interior forces, they needed new sources of weapons and money. He told me that one of his main suppliers had been an interpreter working for the US army in Baghdad. "He had a deal with an American officer. We bought brand new AKs and ammunition from them." He claimed the American officer, whom he had never met but he believed was a captain serving at Baghdad airport, had even helped to divert a truckload of weapons as soon as it was driven over the border from Jordan.
These days Rami gets most of his supplies from the new American-equipped Iraqi army. "We buy ammunition from officers in charge of warehouses, a small box of AK-47 bullets is $450 (£230). If the guy sells a thousand boxes he can become rich and leave the country." But as the security situation deteriorates, Rami finds it increasingly difficult to travel across Baghdad. "Now I have to pay a Shia taxi driver to bring the ammo to me. He gets $50 for each shipment."
The box of 700 bullets that Rami buys for $450 today would have cost between $150 and $175 a year ago. The price of a Kalashnikov has risen from $300 to $400 in the same period. The inflation in arms prices reflects Iraq's plunge toward civil war but, largely unnoticed by the outside world, the Sunni insurgency has also changed. The conflict into which 20,000 more American troops will be catapulted over the next few weeks is very different to the one their comrades experienced even a year ago.
In Baghdad in late October I called a Sunni insurgent I had known for more than a year. He was the mid-level commander of a small cell, active against the Americans in Sunni villages north of Baghdad. Sectarian frontlines had been hardening in the city for months - it took us 45 minutes of haggling to agree on a meeting place which we could both get to safely. We met in a rundown workers' cafe.
Kidnapped
"It’s not a good time to be a Sunni in Baghdad," Abu Omar told me in a low voice. He had been on the Americans' wanted list for three years but I had never seen him so anxious; he had trimmed his beard in the close-cropped Shia style and kept looking towards the door. His brother had been kidnapped a few days before, he told me, and he believed he was next on a Shia militia's list. He had fled his home in the north of the city and was staying with relatives in a Sunni stronghold in west Baghdad.
He was more despondent than angry. "We Sunni are to blame," he said. "In my area some ignorant al-Qaida guys have been kidnapping poor Shia farmers, killing them and throwing their bodies in the river. I told them: 'This is not jihad. You can't kill all the Shia! This is wrong! The Shia militias are like rabid dogs - why provoke them?' "
Then he said: "I am trying to talk to the Americans. I want to give them assurances that no one will attack them in our area if they stop the Shia militias from coming."
This man who had spent the last three years fighting the Americans was now willing to talk to them, not because he wanted to make peace but because he saw the Americans as the lesser of two evils. He was wrestling with the same dilemma as many Sunni insurgent leaders, beginning to doubt the wisdom of their alliance with al-Qaida extremists.
Another insurgent commander told me: "At the beginning al-Qaida had the money and the organisation, and we had nothing." But this alliance soon dragged the insurgents and then the whole Sunni community into confrontation with the Shia militias as al-Qaida and other extremists massacred thousands of Shia civilians. Insurgent commanders such as Abu Omar soon found themselves outnumbered and outgunned, fighting organised militias backed by the Shia-dominated security forces. A week after our conversation, Abu Omar invited me to a meeting with insurgent commanders. I was asked to wait in the reception room of a certain Sunni political party. A taxi driver took me to a house in a Sunni neighbourhood that had recently been abandoned by a Shia family. The driver came in with me - he was also a commander.
The house had been abandoned in a hurry, cardboard boxes were stacked by the door, some of the furniture was covered with white cloths and a few cheap paintings were piled against a wall. The property had been expropriated by the local Sunni mujahideen and we sat on sofas in a dusty reception room. Abu Omar had been meeting commanders of groups with names like the Fury Brigade, the Battalions of the 1920 Revolution, the Islamic Army and the Mujahideen Army, to discuss options they had for fighting both an insurgency against the Americans and an escalating civil war with the Shia.
Abu Omar had proposed encouraging young Sunni men to enlist in the army and the police to redress the sectarian balance. He suggested giving the Americans a ceasefire, in an attempt to stop ministry of interior commandos' raids on his area. Al-Qaida had said no to all these measures; now he wanted other Iraqi insurgent commanders to support him.
'Do politics'
A heated discussion was raging. One of the men, with a very thin moustache, a huge belly and a red kuffiya wrapped around his shoulder, held a copy of the Qur'an in one hand and a mobile phone in the other. I asked him what his objectives were. "We are fighting to liberate our country from the occupations of the Americans and their Iranian-Shia stooges."
"My brother, I disagree," said Abu Omar. "Look, the Americans are trying to talk to us Sunnis and we need to show them that we can do politics. We need to use the Americans to fight the Shia."
He looked nervously at them: suggestions of talking to the Americans could easily have him labelled as traitor. "Where is the jihad and the mujahideen?" he continued. "Baghdad has become a Shia town. Our brothers are being slaughtered every day! Where are these al-Qaida heroes? One neighbourhood after another will be lost if we don't work on a strategy."
The taxi driver commander, who sat cross-legged on a sofa, joined in: "If the Americans leave we will be slaughtered." A big-bellied man waved his hands dismissively: "We will massacre the Shia and show them who are the Sunnis! They couldn't have done anything without the Americans' support."
When the meeting was over the taxi driver went out to check the road, then the rest followed. "Don't look up, we could be monitored, Shia spies are everywhere," said the big man. The next day the taxi driver was arrested.
By December Abu Omar's worst fears were being realised. The Sunnis had become squeezed into a corner fighting two sides at the same time. But by then he had disappeared; his body was never found.
Baghdad was now divided: frontlines partitioned neighbourhoods into Shia and Sunni, thousands of families had been forced out of their homes. After each large-scale bomb attack on Shia civilians, scores of mutilated bodies of Sunnis were found in the streets. Patrolling militias and checkpoints meant that men with Sunni names dared not venture far outside their neighbourhoods, while certain Sunni areas came under the complete control of insurgent groups the Shura Council of the Mujahideen and the Islamic Army. The Sunni vigilante self-defence groups took shape as reserve units under the control of these insurgent groups.
Like Abu Omar before him, Abu Aisha, a mid-level Sunni commander, had come to understand that the threat from the Shia was perhaps greater than his need to fight the occupying Americans. Abu Aisha fought in Baghdad's western Sunni suburbs, he was a former NCO in the Iraqi army and followed an extreme form of Islam known as Salafism.
Jamming
Deep lines criss-crossed his narrow forehead and his eyes half closed when he tried to answer a question He seemed to evaluate every answer before he spoke. He claimed involvement in dozens of attacks on US and Iraqi troops, mostly IEDs (bombs) but also ambushes and execution of alleged Shia spies. "We have stopped using remote controls to detonate IEDs," he volunteered halfway through our conversation. "Only wires work now because the Americans are jamming the signals."
On his mobile phone he proudly showed me grainy images of dead bodies lying in the street, their hands tied behind their backs . He claimed they were Shia agents and that he had killed them. "There is a new jihad now," he said, echoing Abu Omar's warning. "The jihad now is against the Shia, not the Americans."
In Ramadi there was still jihad against the Americans because there were no Shia to fight, but in Baghdad his group only attacked the Americans if they were with Shia army forces or were coming to arrest someone.
"We have been deceived by the jihadi Arabs," he admitted, in reference to al-Qaida and foreign fighters. "They had an international agenda and we implemented it. But now all the leadership of the jihad in Iraq are Iraqis."
Abu Aisha went on to describe how the Sunnis were reorganising. After Sunni families had been expelled from mixed areas throughout Baghdad, his area in the western suburbs was prepared to defend itself against any militia attack.
"Ameriya, Jihad, Ghazaliyah," he listed, "all these areas are becoming part of the new Islamic state of Iraq, each with an emir in charge." Increasingly the Iraqi insurgency is moving away from its cellular structure and becoming organised according to neighbourhood. Local defence committees have intertwined into the insurgent movement.
"Each group is in charge of a specific street," Abu Aisha said. "We have defence lines, trenches and booby traps. When the Americans arrive we let them go through, but if they show up with Iraqi troops, then it's a fight."
A few days later Rami was telling me about the Sunni insurgents in his north Baghdad area. A network of barricades and small berms blocked the streets around the car in which we sat talking. A convoy of two cars with four men inside whizzed past. "Ah, they are brothers on a mission," Rami said.
Like every man of fighting age, Rami was required to take part in his local vigilante group, guarding the neighbourhood at night or conducting raids or mortar attacks on neighbouring Shia areas.
But he paid $30 a week to a local commander and was exempted.
According to Rami and other commanders, funding for the insurgents comes from three sources. Each family in the street pays a levy, around $8, to the local group. "And when they go through lots of ammunition because of clashes," Rami said, "they pay an extra $5." Then there are donations from rich Sunni businessmen, financiers and wealthier insurgent groups. A third source of funding was "ghaniama", loot which is rapidly becoming the main fuel of the sectarian war
'A business'
"Every time they arrest a Shia, we take their car, we sell it and use the money to fund the fighters, and jihad," said Abu Aisha. The mosque sheik or the local commander collects the money and it is distributed among the fighters; some get fixed salaries, others are paid by "operations", and the money left is used for ammunition.
"It has become a business, they give you money to kill Shia, we take their houses and sell their cars," said Rami. "The Shia are doing the same.
"Last week on the main highway in our area, they killed a Shia army officer. He had a brand new Toyota sedan. The idiots burned the car. I offered them $40,000 for it, they said no. Imagine how many jihads they could have done with 40k."
· Names have been changed in this report.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,,1989397,00.html
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RE: Kurds, Iran and Iraqi Shia - 1/15/2007 9:12:20 AM
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let's stick to the topic at hand please.
The fact that Iran was running a spy agency in northern Iraq under Kurdish controlled areas since 1996 is nothing simple or can be ignored. It just goes to tell you how 'Iraqi' this government is and how it came to power. When they use the term "The Iraqi Swamp" they really do mean a swamp because you have so called Iraqis that would sleep with the enemy to achieve their personal goals, even if they commit crimes against humanity.
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RE: Kurds, Iran and Iraqi Shia - 1/15/2007 4:31:46 PM
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The fact that Iran was running a spy agency in northern Iraq under Kurdish controlled areas since 1996 is nothing simple or can be ignored. It just goes to tell you how 'Iraqi' this government is and how it came to power. When they use the term "The Iraqi Swamp" they really do mean a swamp because you have so called Iraqis that would sleep with the enemy to achieve their personal goals, even if they commit crimes against humanity.
OK, back on topic. Look I don't want to sound off hand but it's widely known that the Kurds have had very strong connections with Iran since Saddam's time. If you just think about it you wouldn't be so shocked and outraged.
1. Saddam was a common enemy to both the Iranians and Kurds so it's hardly surprising that they would collaborate together in this way.
2. The Kurds need a powerful ally in case the democrats decide to "bring the troops home" when Bush Jr. leaves office in 2 years.
Look the Kurds aren't interested in Iraq, they want Kurdistan. When they get Kurdistan they will push for Mosul ad Kirkuk. This is not exactly a secret. This is perhaps the one and only chance they'll ever get to grab a piece of the world and call it their own. Whether I agree with what they're doing is irrelevant. This is fact. So the Kurds are always going to hold hands with the ones that can help them achieve their goal. At the moment Iran is one of the strongest players on the table, so if your a Kurd it might make sense to keep your options open until the dust settles.
So are you so surprised by this "shocking" news that Iranian Intelligence Agents were operating out of Arbil? Frankly I'm far more concerned by the Iranian Agents that are running our Ministries in Baghdad and Basra.
As for crimes against humanity, well we do have a fairly impressive back catalogue which again indicates that whats happening today is no revelation. Just tell me the last time an Iraqi leader died of natural causes? King Ghazi, King Faisal, Kareem Kasim, Abd Al Salam Arif, Ahmed Hassan Al Bakr and now Saddam Hussein. All were murdered or died in suspicious circumstances. So don't be so surprised by whats happening in Iraq. It's not the first time! Regards Azinorum
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RE: Kurds, Iran and Iraqi Shia - 1/15/2007 4:32:18 PM
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Yes, I agree. Iran is for sure using Iraq as part of its greater strategy to gain influence in the Middle East to counter balance against the American influence. Their crimes in Iraq was very obvious as soon as their militias started killing Iraqi pilots and war veterans that fought against them in the Iraq-Iran war and as soon as Jaafari started tearing down all the war monouments representing that war.
Sometimes I wonder who's more of a cancer in the region, Iran or Israel or the US...
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RE: Kurds, Iran and Iraqi Shia - 1/15/2007 4:41:48 PM
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Mr Tigris 81
I shall give you the classement:
1-Israil
2-Iran
3-USA
They are a triangle of the Evil.
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RE: Kurds, Iran and Iraqi Shia - 1/15/2007 6:47:28 PM
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They are a triangle of the Evil.
The triangle of Doukhet Raas.
Short Term headache
1. USA
2. Iran
3. Israel
Long Term headache
1. Iran
2. Iran
3. Iran
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RE: Kurds, Iran and Iraqi Shia - 1/16/2007 1:21:56 AM
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Salam my friends
I just sat laughing at the thought of being an american!!!!
They are hated my the Shiite's, hated by the Sunni's, hated by Iran and syria, is there anyone left who is willing to love or even like the americans?
I do feel sorry for those young soldiers, who are only obeying orders, I feel sorry for what we all have created, a massive division and collapse of our society and country. I wish our shiite brothers will say enough to Iran, I wish our Sunni's will say enough Saudi Arabia. I wish we all say enough interfering from everywhere. Thank god I am not American, I would've had one hell of a headache.
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RE: Kurds, Iran and Iraqi Shia - 1/16/2007 3:50:03 AM
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Thank god I am not American, I would've had one hell of a headache.
Why do you feel sorry for the soldiers? They're not conscripts and chose this life. Min Eda Allah Izideh.
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RE: Kurds, Iran and Iraqi Shia - 1/16/2007 2:43:32 PM
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al ani
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I do feel sorry for those young soldiers, who are only obeying orders,
Indeed they are young soldiers and most of them from east Europe, if someone attack them, they cry like women and they start shooting in all directions and put what in side their stomachs in their trousers.
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RE: Kurds, Iran and Iraqi Shia - 1/17/2007 4:56:38 PM
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azinorum
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Calm: More than 34,000 Iraqis were killed in 2006, according to UN figures and your feeling sorry for US soldiers?
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RE: Kurds, Iran and Iraqi Shia - 1/20/2007 5:08:49 PM
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azinorum
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Given that you have posted your comments in reply to my message then I feel obliged to point out the following.
You first say:
"You are just some examples of many but I am sure there are also many civilised people around".
And then go on to say:
"I guess you are either teenagers or gays or sons of prostitutes abandoned by their mothers. Your dirty words should be ignored totally but I just warn you that the world will get the message".
Please Kaka, teach me how to be civilized just like you.
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RE: Kurds, Iran and Iraqi Shia - 1/20/2007 5:46:35 PM
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quote:
ORIGINAL: azinorum
Given that you have posted your comments in reply to my message then I feel obliged to point out the following.
You first say:
"You are just some examples of many but I am sure there are also many civilised people around".
And then go on to say:
"I guess you are either teenagers or gays or sons of prostitutes abandoned by their mothers. Your dirty words should be ignored totally but I just warn you that the world will get the message".
Please Kaka, teach me how to be civilized just like you.
Just read this part of your history...
As late as 1994, however, Leyla Zana, the first female Kurdish representative in Turkey's Parliament, was charged for making "separatist speeches" and sentenced to fifteen years in prison. At her inauguration as an MP, she reportedly identified herself as a Kurd. Amnesty International reported that "he took the oath of loyalty in Turkish, as required by law, then added in Kurdish, 'I shall struggle so that the Kurdish and Turkish peoples may live together in a democratic framework.' Parliament erupted with shouts of 'Separatist!', 'Terrorist!', and 'Arrest her!'".[45]
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RE: Kurds, Iran and Iraqi Shia - 1/20/2007 5:59:49 PM
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azinorum
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This history isn't mine Habibi. It's a quote from Wikipedia. Please feel free to make additions or corrections where you think neccessary. I still don't know were your problem lies being that you haven't been very specific? Would you care to get to the point?
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RE: Kurds, Iran and Iraqi Shia - 1/21/2007 2:53:32 PM
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havalkaka
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ORIGINAL: azinorum
This history isn't mine Habibi. It's a quote from Wikipedia. Please feel free to make additions or corrections where you think neccessary. I still don't know were your problem lies being that you haven't been very specific? Would you care to get to the point?
Habibi and Hobi, you(Arabs, Turks and Farsi) are all fed TEES and fed LIBAS
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RE: Kurds, Iran and Iraqi Shia - 1/21/2007 3:45:26 PM
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azinorum
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ORIGINAL: havalkaka
Habibi and Hobi, you(Arabs, Turks and Farsi) are all fed TEES and fed LIBAS
Kaka, I won’t be drawn into this type of discussion so you don’t have to put on the tough guy routine. Let me quote some of you previous posts:
“I am worried about the degree of hate and arrogance deep inside... everybody thinks they are right, others are wrong. We need to come back to our senses, we are not wild wolves.”
Of course ever since you started posting again you have used nothing more than baseless abusive, juvenile insults without coming to any point. You’ve also tried to pass yourself off as the civilized one!....do you actually read your own posts?
“Where are our values of respect and nice words? or is the internet uncovering only the bad seeds and the hidden pressures.”
I presume you've come across some of your own bad seeds and hidden pressures. Everything you said then (6 months ago) contradicts to what you say now. You don’t appear to know much about who you are or what you want. Why don’t you take some time to think about it? No rush, another 6 months will do.
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RE: Kurds, Iran and Iraqi Shia - 1/22/2007 10:37:19 AM
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Calm
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Salam
I agree with azinorum. Using that type of language like our KAKA used will never belittle us, but does one damage and that to him. People like Kaka can go bark against a tree, and no one would listen.
I have great friends who are Kurds, some worked and studied hard to be doctors, engineers, scientists, lecturers and so on. While others traded in the black market and managed to save few thousands dollars to escape and apply for asylm everywhere in the world especially the UK. Thousands of them wondering the streets, mobile phones, greesy hair style, a comb stuck out of their back pockets and they think the world owes them a favour.
The sight of those lazy ****s makes me sick. At the beginning we all fell sorry for them for the treatment they recieved under Saddam, but why now, why are they still coming out in their hundreds????
Iraq is an Arab country, yet our president bless his heart is Kurdish. What more our Kaka wants?????
Maybe he is one of those sitting on a bench in a street in england, smoking and gossiping with his mates about the females.
Let me tell you some news, 50% of night clubs in england would not admit in Kurds. Orders from the police, simply they don't know how to behave in a society.
KAKA next time when you use language like that, just think where you come from.
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RE: Kurds, Iran and Iraqi Shia - 1/22/2007 12:43:50 PM
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