As I was saying to Iraqi100% earlier in this post, the Kurds don't care about Iraq. They are only looking towards establishing a Kurdish State. This is not an insult to Kurds but a fact. They are playing all sides and looking out for their own interests.
Kurdish troops from north deserting Loyalties are with militia, not with Iraq By Leila Fadel and Yaseen Taha, McClatchy Newspapers - January 21, 2007
SULAIMANIYAH, Iraq -- As the Iraqi government attempts to secure a capital city ravaged by conflict between Sunni and Shi'ite Muslim Arabs, its decision to bring a third party into the mix may cause more problems than peace.
Kurdish soldiers from northern Iraq, who are mostly Sunnis but not Arabs, are deserting the army to avoid the civil war in Baghdad, a conflict they consider someone else's problem.
The Iraqi Army brigades being sent to the capital are filled with former members of a Kurdish militia, the peshmerga, that's the armed wing of President Jalal Talabani of Iraq's political party, the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan. Most remain loyal to that militia.
Much as Shi'ite militias have infiltrated the Iraqi security forces across Arab Iraq, the peshmerga fill the ranks of the Iraqi Army in the Kurdish region in the north, poised to secure a semi-independent Kurdistan and seize oil-rich Kirkuk and parts of Mosul if Iraq falls apart. One thing they didn't bank on, they said, was being sent into the "fire" of Baghdad.
"The soldiers don't know the Arabic language, the Arab tradition, and they don't have any experience fighting terror," said Anwar Dolani, a former peshmerga commander who leads the brigade that's being transferred to Baghdad from the Kurdish city of Sulaimaniyah.
Dolani called the desertions a "phenomenon" but refused to say how many soldiers have left the army.
"I can't deny that a number of soldiers have deserted the army, and it might increase due to the ferocious military operations in Baghdad," he said.
"This is the biggest performance through which we can test them," said Lieutenant General Ali Ghaidan, the commander of land forces for the Iraqi Ministry of Defense. The Kurdish soldiers will be using translators, and they'll start off doing less dangerous tasks such as manning checkpoints with Arab soldiers, he said.
In interviews, however, soldiers in Sulaimaniyah expressed loyalty to their Kurdish brethren, not to Iraq. Many said they'd already deserted, and those who are going to Baghdad said they'd flee if the situation there became too difficult.
"I joined the army to be a soldier in my homeland, among my people. Not to fight for others who I have nothing to do with," said Ameen Kareem, 38, who took a week's leave with other soldiers from his brigade in the Kurdish city of Erbil and never returned. "I used to fight in the mountains and valleys, not in the streets."
Kareem said he knew that deserting was risky, but he said he'd rather be behind bars in Kurdistan than a "soldier in Baghdad's fire." Without the language and with his Kurdish features, he was sure he would stand out, he said. He's a Kurd, he said, and he has no reason to become a target in an Arab war. Now he drives a taxi in Sulaimaniyah, eking out a living and praying that he doesn't get caught.
Other soldiers in Sulaimaniyah also said they didn't want to be involved in someone else's war.
Farman Mohammed, 42, celebrated the Muslim Eid holiday with his family last month and didn't go back when he heard that he might be deployed to Baghdad. Afraid for his life, he found a new job and settled in with his family.
"The fanatic Sunnis in Baghdad kill the Shi'ites and vice versa. Both of them are outraged against the Kurds. They will not hesitate to kill us and accuse us of being collaborators with the occupiers," he said. "How can we face them alone?" Those who are planning to go to Baghdad said they didn't want to be considered cowards. Mohammed Abdoul, 41, reluctantly prepared to leave for the Iraqi capital earlier this week.
"I don't know why we should interfere in this Sunni-Shi'ite war," he said. "If I am going to face a difficult task in Baghdad and feel sectarian tension, I will leave the army forever, come back to Sulaimaniyah, and work in the market."
An army brigade from Sulaimaniyah began arriving at Muthana Airport in Baghdad last week, and a brigade from Erbil is expected in February, Ghaidan said.
The 1,200 Kurdish soldiers in each of the two brigades from the Kurdish north will be dwarfed by 2,700 soldiers in each brigade that are being brought to Baghdad from the Shi'ite south.
Generals in Erbil and Sulaimaniyah begged the Ministry of Defense to choose brigades out of Kirkuk that spoke Arabic to help in Baghdad, Dolani said. Ghaidan wouldn't explain why entire Kurdish brigades weren't being transferred from the north.
how the ffreaking kurdish will survive in this regione if they estabilish kurdistan,iran in the east,syria in the east and Turkey in the north, iraq in the south. Turkey is already to prevent it like others, if all close their borders how the hell kudistan will survive ?
how the ffreaking kurdish will survive in this regione if they estabilish kurdistan,iran in the east,syria in the east and Turkey in the north, iraq in the south. Turkey is already to prevent it like others, if all close their borders how the hell kudistan will survive ?
If...a big if... you are absolutely right it is very unrealistic to establish Kurdistan and get recognised by the world, let alone by our wonderful neighbours(occupiers). Even then the kurds will be divided into hundreds of small governments, but one thing is also very clear to you all: that there will always be angry kurdish men and women who will choose to go up the hills and shoot between the eyes. This will never stop. If we want to live in peace together and avoid the culture of klashinkovs then we must all recognise and respect each other and not try to eat up other identities. If you can "think" then thats a great start but I doubt it. If one day our occupying neighbours understand human rights then the trouble will be over.
Kaka: I have to say I didn't get your post. You have again confused me. On the one hand you claim to be pro peaceful, pro human rights and pro understanding. A true civilized man of the world. But I want to remind you how you introduced yourself earlier in this thread:
"I guess you are either teenagers or gays or sons of prostitutes abandoned by their mothers. Your dirty words should be ignored totally but I just warn you that the world will get the message". "Habibi and Hobi, you(Arabs, Turks and Farsi) are all fed TEES and fed LIBAS"
I haven't forgotten this and you haven't answered why you decided to enter the discussion by using jibes and cheap insults. In todays post you again revert back to saying:
"This will never stop. If we want to live in peace together and avoid the culture of klashinkovs then we must all recognise and respect each other and not try to eat up other identities. Respect each other?? Having already referred to us as gay teenage **** sons of prostitutes who are fed tees and feb libas it's difficult to then take your pro peace and understanding comments seriously. At least stick to your convictions. I think you have an identity crisis. Would you care to explain?
Mr Azinorum (shla millokh khoni = salam alaikom? how are you?)
I said the following statement as a direct response to your insult to kurds in general, your insult is right up there, surely you can see it. If you take it personally then please accept my apologies. "I guess you are either teenagers or gays or sons of prostitutes abandoned by their mothers. Your dirty words should be ignored totally but I just warn you that the world will get the message". as to this statement: "Habibi and Hobi, you(Arabs, Turks and Farsi) are all fed TEES and fed LIBAS"
There is nothing wrong with it. I mean you got the same size. The kurds use larger size to help them climb mountains. That of sulaimania is too large and folded for me.
As to identity crisis, well you spotted it. I am simply a free thinker and very unhappy about my fellow kurds thinking especially their admiration of the west and stupid migration to this hell.
Regards
< Message edited by havalkaka -- 2/10/2007 7:52:55 AM >
You are even more sad and confused than I thought. You are the one who resorted these juvenile insults not me. You see when you state opinions in writing its not possible pretend you never said them in the first place. Think before you speak. Your childish insults only expose you for what you are. A confused racist who doesn't have the integrity to hold to his convictions.
My reference to Kurds being mountain people is a reply to Sadiq who hates you guys with a passion. Read my earlier posts and you might just find that I am not Anti Kurd but Anti separation and pro Iraqi unity which you are not. I will reserve my final judgment but in light of your various comments I have a feeling your are nothing more than a fake with no definite opinions about anything. You appear to do nothing but contradict yourself. I'll give you time to prove me wrong but in light of whats already been said you now have an uphill task.
ORIGINAL: havalkaka I am glad you are all speaking out your heart so that everybody can see the dirt of your spirit. You are just some examples of many but I am sure there are also many civilised people around.
I guess you are either teenagers or gays or sons of prostitutes abandoned by their mothers. Your dirty words should be ignored totally but I just warn you that the world will get the message. keep on the good work.
These are your words not mine. Thankfully I wasn't brought up in a sewer so I don't have to resort to using such colorful language.
< Message edited by azinorum -- 2/10/2007 8:17:08 AM >
the kurds will suffer always because before 200 years ago they are contuinig the same mistake again what will esoect from mountain people will do in the lands that are not their and these are civilized but the kurds do not have any civilization, what will expect from them god damn you kurds.
the kurds will suffer always because before 200 years ago they are contuinig the same mistake again what will esoect from mountain people will do in the lands that are not their and these are civilized but the kurds do not have any civilization, what will expect from them god damn you kurds.
I have tried hard to understand your disturbed mind and came to the conclusion that you are either living in a mental hospital or in a card box under a bridge with access to a filthy internet shop where monkey's heads are roasted and where Qat is chewed up and spat on the dirty floor. If you mean the mountains we live are not our land then can you tell me from where do you think we originated... just dropped from your mother's womb. I don't know what is that figure 200 you talk about. But I guess you want to say as the kurd enemies always say that we have no history. I know we didn't build empires like the Turks,Arabs, Farsi or Mongolian did. We did not conquer other people's land, we did not build corrupt empires like the corrupt ottoman empire based on thick walled prisons, bribery and corruption which is still alive. If thats what you mean by history then we are proud we did not. The jewish people(I am not saying the Zionists) also have no history of empires and always suffered yet they produced the most impressive scientists in human history. Remember that when a merchant loses his fortunes he will look at his old papers under the chairs for some money. The entire 3rd world is now frozen dead on the international stage. Finally who is suffering and from what. The conflict is costing lives on all fronts and be assured that we will never ever accept to throw away our identity and our dignity so keep stirring up your own dirt until you go to hell and meet your god who will listen to you and damn the kurds. I am really sick of your teenage comments and I hope the sensible people who read them will not draw any generalisation.
< Message edited by havalkaka -- 2/10/2007 4:44:25 PM >
كشف وزير الدفاع الأميركي روبرت غيتس أن لدى الولايات المتحدة أدلة مادية على ضلوع إيران في مساعدة مليشيات عراقية تستهدف القوات الأميركية.
وقال غيتس الذي وصل إلى ألمانيا للمشاركة في المؤتمر الـ43 حول الأمن بميونيخ إن إيران مدت المسلحين بالمتفجرات، وأوضح أن أرقاما وعلامات تصنيعية وجدت على ألغام ومتفجرات ومعدات أخرى تشير إلى أن إيران هي المصدر، كما تثبت وجود صلة لها بمتفجرات استخدمت في العراق.
في السياق قال مسؤول في الإدارة الأميركية إن قادة عسكريين من البنتاغون (وزارة الدفاع الأميركية) أطلعوا في ديسمبر/ كانون الأول الماضي أعضاء في مجلسي الشيوخ والنواب الأميركيين على معدات وأجهزة ومتفجرات وجدت في العراق.
وأشار المسؤول الذي طلب عدم الكشف عن اسمه إلى أن منشأ هذه المعدات والمتفجرات إيراني حسب العلامات الكتابية عليها، كما أنها تعكس النموذج الإيراني في التصنيع، حسب قوله
وقال مسؤول في المخابرات إن بإمكان هذه المتفجرات أن تخترق دبابات أبرامز والعربات المدرعة، كما ذكر أن لدى الولايات المتحدة أدلة على قيام إيران بتدريب مليشيات عراقية على هذه الأسلحة للاستخدام القتالي.
من جهته صرح عضو مجلس الشيوخ جو ليبرمان عن ولاية كنيتيكت بأنه رأى بعض هذه المتفجرات والمعدات، وقال إنني مقتنع من خلال ذلك أن إيران تقوم بمساعدة المسلحين الذين يقومون بقتل الجنود الأميركيين في العراقوتجدر الاشارة الا ان.
جورج بوش وعددا من أركان قيادته أعلنوا مرارا أن لديهم أدلة على تدخل إيراني في الشأن العراقي
< Message edited by al ani -- 2/11/2007 4:37:48 AM >
By now we should be laughing at everything american administration claims. It was them who said Iraq had chemical weapons and could produce atomic bomb in 35 minutes... it is amazing that they are so afraid of any technology in the hands of muslim world even though they have enough to destroy themselves and the whole of planet earth if they get mad ... which will happen as long as the world is led by a bunch of idiots.
As to Iran, I should not be surprised that they have to do everything to get ready for an enemy next door to them with their threatening guns all around iran. We should all defend against the invasion by this new empire.
I hope the american public are wiser than the zionist bunch who want to send their youngsters to die for defending against a fictionary threat based on lies.
Yes Mr Havalkaka You said the reality about the american, they seam to be a creazy people such a one like to prove him self as a major in the world and responsible for all, but for us they are very mad,and we can prove this by their behaviors in Iraq specialy the creazy Bush.
دبي- حيان نيوف كشف الدبلوماسي والقنصل الإيراني المنشق، عادل الأسدي، عن تفاصيل تجنيد وتدريب مواطنين من دول خليجية في إيران، قائلا إن معظمهم من الشيعة ويشكلون خلايا نائمة في بلدانهم. وجاءت تصريحات الأسدي الذي كان مستشارا لوزير الخارجية ثم قنصلا عاما لبلاده بدبي، لـ"العربية.نت"، في أول حوار صحفي من نوعه منذ انشقاقه وكانت صحيفة "يديعوت أحرونوت" كشفت منذ أيام أنّ القنصل الإيراني في دبي عادل الأسدي فر هو الآخر إلى الغرب بالتزامن مع فرار الجنرال الإيراني علي رضا أصغري (63 عاما) الذي أكدت مصادر صحافية أمريكية أنه قدم بالفعل لأجهزة المخابرات الغربية وثائق فائقة الأهمية حول نظام بلاده خلايا نائمة وقال عادل الأسدي لـ"العربية.نت": توجد خلايا إيرانية نائمة في الخليج، حيث تدرب إيران مواطنين من دول خليجية معظمهم من الشيعة، وتتصل بهم ليأتوا إلى إيران ويخضعوا لتدريب عسكري وأمني، ثم بعد ذلك يرجعون إلى بلدانهم في وضع جاهز لتنفيذ ما تأمرهم به إيران وكشف الأسدي، بحكم عمله الدبلوماسي، عن الطريقة التي يتم فيها تسفير مواطنين من دول خليجية إلى إيران، قائلا: لا يدخلون إيران بجوازاتهم وإنما يحمل كل شخص ورقة خاصة يدخل بها إيران دون أن يظهر أنه قد ذهب إلى إيران، وهذا الأسلوب لدينا في وزارة الخارجية الإيرانية، حيث يذهب شخص مثلا لبلد ثالث مثل بريطانيا ومن هناك السفارة الإيرانية تعطيه ورقه خاصة بموجبها يذهب إلى إيران وعندما يرجع لبلده لا يظهر أنه كان في إيران وصول السلاح سهل ووصف عملية وصول الأسلحة إلى الخلايا النائمة في الخليج بالسهل جدا. وأوضح: في زمن وجودي في مجلس الشورى الإسلامي كنت في لجنة السياسة الخارجية يوم كان الدكتور ولايتي وزيرا للخارجية، وطلبنا مساعد الوزير أمام اللجنة، وسألناه ماذا حصل في البحرين مع حراس الثورة فقال إنهم أرسلوا بضائع للبحرين في سفينة خاصة وهذه البضائع كانت عبارة عن أسلحة مرسلة إلى مجموعات داخل البحرين وقال إن "الخلايا النائمة كثيرة جدا وعملهم الآن يتركز على نقل أخبار وأمور أخرى للحكومة الإيرانية وستستيقظ الخلايا وفق حاجة الحكومة الإيرانية وأشار إلى أن الكثير من الدبلوماسيين الإيرانيين هم أصلا من عناصر الأمن، لكنه نفى أي علاقة سابقة له بالأمن الإيراني أو الحرس الثوري ، وقال إنه تحول لمعارض مستقل ولا ينسق مع أي دولة غربية أعرف أسرارهم ونفى عادل الأسدي أن يكون قد نسق انشقاقه مع أجهزة استخبارات غربية، قائلا إن ما دفعه إلى ذلك هو حجم الخطورة الذي كان يشعر به بعد معرفته الكثير من الأسرار عن فساد الحكومة في بلاده ، مشيرا إلى أنه اكتشف هذا الفساد منذ أن كان في مجلس الشوى الإيراني حيث وجد أن الحكومة لاتخدم الشعب، وأن رجال الدين يفكرون بجمع الأموال دون مسؤولية تجاه الشعب وقال إنه لم يلتق الجنرال الإيراني المنشق "أصغري" ولكنه تحدث عن وجود جنرالات آخرين في بلاده على استعداد للانشقاق، لافتا إلى أن "أصغري" سيتوجه إلى الولايات المتحدة وتحدث عادل الأسدي، 52 عاما، عن طلبه اللجوء السياسي في السويد ووصف نفسه بأنه أول مسؤول مدني ينشق عن النظام الإيراني. وكان سفيرا لبلاده في البرتغال ثم مستشارا لوزير الخارجية قبل أن يصبح عام 2001 قنصلا عاما لبلاده في دبي، وينشق عام 2003
< Message edited by al ani -- 3/15/2007 6:16:12 PM >
it was your people are killing and still occupying lands in the land of mesopotamia and they will do anything to achieve it even with the devil himself, and your people the kurds did many bad mistakes in the past because they were traitors and taking people's land that it is not theirs and never will be and keep liying and faking the history and they will keep doing it for their own benifit, so do not tell me the kurds, the mesopotamians why they are doing empires it is simple to protect them from the uncivilized people who are from the deserts and from the mountians.
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