I lost my unlce, 2 cousins, in the last 30 days, plus my aunt was obducted by the Mehdi gangsters and no one knows what happen to her. Malaki says he should ends or review ties to countries that protest the assination of Saddam, why? Because he is an Iranian and hates Arabs. IRANIANS ARE DESTROYING IRAQ, that last 200 years which people have fought Arabs? The Persians! No not the Jews, but the Persians! Iran hates all Arab, shia and sunni. I hope I see the day where the Iranians get what they deserve. The fate gov't needs to goto HELL
I am very sorry to hear that you lost your uncle and two cousins...Inshallah your aunt will be safe and return as soon as possible. Thats true, Iranians hate Arabs more than anyone else. They wish for our fall ever since...
I am sorry to hear about your family. Be paitient, Iraq is an Arabic country and those rats who crossed from Iran with an Iranian citizenship will soon go running back after they have drained Iraq from its money and resources. When we called them 3ajam there was a reason for that.
The problem does not end here, most of the government of Iraq has dual citizenship and when their day comes they will not stand like men waiting for their hanging like saddam did but they will run like rats at night back to where they came from.
Whats running Iraq right now is a minority, a Shia minority from an Iranian background. The heros of Iraq from the Arab sunnis and Shias and all sects of Iraq who are proud of their Iraqi roots will eventually break the back of this puppet government.
At the moment the USA and Maliki's government is going to start a new crackdown on Sunnis and Sadr militias but that is not going to end the bloodshed. It will only further isolate this government from the rest of the Arabic world because not all the problems are being delt with. All militias needs to be disbanded and the old Iraqi army needs be brought back, it was national army made up of Iraqis.
Corruption and ignorance can only run so long. With no transparant government in place, Iraq will not see the light. Iraqis will have to pick up arms and protect their homes from this Iranian government, that's the only way to stop this yellow tornado.
Remember that Shia arabs and sunni arabs are the only way out of here and the sole purose of this iranian government and the US too to see those shia and sunni arabs kill each other. Iraqis are not as stupid as the lebanese people who fought each other, Iraqis know the difference because Iraq has see what Iran wants from them throughout history.
countries like Kuwait, Saudi arabia, egypt will one day have to answer to their people and tell them why they all sided against Iraq when they all invited the US in the region and fooled them by telling them that saddam was going to invade saudi arabia. There are rotten arabs in these countries and one day their time will come.
these countries will cry for what they did to Iraq when Iran is at their doorsteps.
< Message edited by Iraqi100Percent -- 1/6/2007 7:04:23 PM >
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Long Live The Honorable Iraqis and down with the Safaween.
Insha Allah Iraq gains some peace no matter what government runs the show. At the moment anyone who can stabilize the situation is welcome in my book. Disbanding the Militias would be a good start but have they got the balls for it! I doubt it.
Caliph Umar al Khattab (Allah is pleased with him!) after the conquest of Jerusalem by the Muslims in 637 CE addressing his soldiers said:
“O Arabs! You were a despised people in the world. It is Islam that has given you dignity, prestige and unity. Remember whenever you would think of Acquiring honor in the name of any other ideology, Allah will bring disgrace and shame on you. “
In democratic countries around the world most governments are not supported 100%. Look at Britain, the Labour government was only supported by 42% of the voters. Whether the people like the outcome or not, this democracy. We in Iraq never ever had the choice. We were ruled my the powerful minorities, those holding the guns to our heads. And now, I really don't care who is in power as long as they are given the chance to do their job. If they fail, then we don't vote for them in the next election, and not hang them. Whether you are Sunni, Shiite christain or devil worshipper. If you live your life within the law of the land, offering a hand in peace and not a bullet in the head, does it matter what your believes are. We having thugs from all sorts of countries coming to Iraq on a killing holiday, something different I suppose, and who is getting killed here? Us Iraqis, our children, our women, fathers, brothers and uncles. In Allah's name, talk and talk and talk. Killing is not the answer. And for the americans aand other troops, will they stay in Iraq if the killing stops. World opinion wouldn't allow them to stay for one day extra. The families of those soldiers want them back, they are after all human as we are. But, if they stay, then I'll be the first one to ask every Iraqi to join the resistant. My friends, brothers and sisters, put your differences aside and work the land, our farms are turning to desert, our factories are shut, our oil is been syphoned out away from us, our Industry needs regentrating, our houses need rebuilding. We have nothing now, no electricity, no water, no rubbish collecting, postal service, no law and order, no PEACE. We human, so why we living worse than animals? We always blame others, Saddam, Iran, Syria, America, Europe, Islam, but we never ever blamed ourselves. Like my brother said, thank god for the bombs, I know I am alive. We have lost all our senses.
Like my brother said, thank god for the bombs, I know I am alive. We have lost all our senses.
Your brother is right. When you're sitting under the staircase and the bombs are raining down you really do feel alive. It's during difficult times like these when you appreciate the gift of life most. It heightens the senses and the adrenalin rush is all consuming. When the bombing subsides there's a feeling of accomplishment and relief, a kind of euphoria....it's strange really.
In democratic countries around the world most governments are not supported 100%. Look at Britain, the Labour government was only supported by 42% of the voters. Whether the people like the outcome or not, this democracy. OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Walikom assalam Mr Calm In the beggining when this governement was started most of IraqI people said INSHAallah khair but now after one year we notice the behaviers of the governement millitias also how many they killed during this time, and alwase the prime minester said i shall stop them, but nothing new, so what you think about the ideas of the people? جعجعة بلا طحين
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this is what the kurdish and the traitors wanted to kill saddam and steel iraqs money i said it from the start saddam was right agaisnt them we need in iraq a strong man who can stop the crimenal people who stelling the money and making irakis girl to hoes and selling them al malik is from irak moffawk is from iran his real name is karim the most of the goverment is iraninen saddam may allah give him peace they killed him i would rather live under his rule then iraninen rule
this is what the kurdish and the traitors wanted to kill saddam and steel iraqs money i said it from the start saddam was right agaisnt them we need in iraq a strong man who can stop the crimenal people who stelling the money and making irakis girl to hoes and selling them al malik is from irak moffawk is from iran his real name is karim the most of the goverment is iraninen saddam may allah give him peace they killed him i would rather live under his rule then iraninen rule
Ali, Saddam is now out of the picture. Whether you prefer to have lived under Saddam or not is no longer relevant. What you have to consider is how to make the best of what we have. If you want to contribute an opinion that isn't based on a return of Saddam then it would be worthwhile discussing. If however people keep saying the same thing "Saddam was better etc etc" then we won't get anywhere.
With some respect to those who supported Saddam, I suppose he didn't steel at all? The luxury that man lived in was unmatched by anyone in the world. Where did it all came from? His bank balance ran in billions of dollars, while the Iraqis suffered badly after 1991. The cars, the boats, the palaces, the clothes, the gold and diamonds, and a very healthy bank account. I am not anti Saddam, or anti anyone except for those that stole money from us, the people of Iraq. Against those who are destroying and killing, and if your Leaders happen to be part of that so be it. We are not a hurd of sheep being led by a sheppard and his wild dogs. We are people who can think and use our brains. We don't need political parties to rule the country, we don't need some narrow minded uneducated religious leaders showing us the way forward. We the people of Iraq can do it on our own without influnence or pressure from anyone.
We don't need political parties to rule the country, we don't need some narrow minded uneducated religious leaders showing us the way forward. We the people of Iraq can do it on our own without influnence or pressure from anyone.
OK. thanks for sharing your opinion but you haven't offered any suggestions as to how Iraq can be ruled by the people?
You also say you are not anti Saddam?? But how can you claim to not be anti Saddam after making this statement:
"I suppose he didn't steel at all? The luxury that man lived in was unmatched by anyone in the world. Where did it all came from? His bank balance ran in billions of dollars, while the Iraqis suffered badly after 1991. The cars, the boats, the palaces, the clothes, the gold and diamonds, and a very healthy bank account".
and then you go o to say:
"or anti anyone except for those that stole money from us, the people of Iraq".
You are contradicting yourself. I'm confused by your comments.
You have a point there, and i did contradict myself. I am learning how not to be anti anyone, whats in the past may stay in the past, the future is for our children. Destroying it, and we destroyed our children and their children. If i said i am anti saddam, will i get a prize? The man killed people from my family, and he got what he asked for. No one in my family ever belonged to any party or organisation, yet by refusing to join his party they were tortured and killed. 100% of the political parties say that they are from the people to the people, and thats utter rubbish. They are from the people but they are only for themselves. I was reading the history of the 20th century of Baghdad, did you know that most businesses, most colleges, many doctors, engineers, planners and scholars were run by christains and Jews. They worked honestly most of them, and helped generate businesses, helped Iraq to export many of it's products, they helped educate the masses. I know the damage Iraq suffered since 1991 and the 8 yrs before that will never ever be recovered in the next decay, but got those people on board, get them working, share with them your opinion, they were born in iraq before Islam was there. I know there are less than 30 jews left in Baghdad at the moment, maybe less, and they are very old. But our minorities will help if they are asked, and not chase them out of the country. We don't need this friction between Shiite and Sunni, and those parties which belong to either sect should and must be banned. Why don't we elect a none political people, offer them wages, not help themselves to everything like our saddam did, and everyone before him except for Qasim. Thank you and may Allah help us all, and help us to start loving one another.
Lol, no prize but perhaps some piece of mind. These days it’s difficult to come to terms with how much things have deteriorated since the occupation. Most had expected to feel relief when the Baath Party were kicked out and feel cheated by what’s happened since. This can confuse the issue and lead some to temporarily forget how bad it actually was under Saddam.
"The man killed people from my family, and he got what he asked for."
I’m sorry to hear that your family suffered. I don’t think there’s a family in Iraq that hasn’t suffered in some way under Saddam. It’s a tragedy that so many now look back to Saddam’s time with rose colored spectacles. Just because it was better doesn’t mean it was good. We deserved much more and should expect nothing less.
"No one in my family ever belonged to any party or organisation, yet by refusing to join his party they were tortured and killed."
This is a very important point. The De-Baathification process has led to many engineers, technicians, soldiers and other professionals to be classed as Baathi despite not being active members of the party. The reality is that anyone wanting to work had to become a Baathi, it was not a matter of choice. Given that there was no longer a proper private sector after Nationalization the only jobs with pensions were with State owned companies and Ministries and the only way to get promoted was to be an official card holder. It was a case of join the Baath Party or look for work with no pension.
It therefore stands to reason that most of our qualified workers would be ex-Baath party members. By painting them all with the same hard line ‘Baathist brush’ they are robbing the country of a vital human resource. Without it we can’t rebuild the countries infrastructure.
“I was reading the history of the 20th century of Baghdad, did you know that most businesses, most colleges, many doctors, engineers, planners and scholars were run by christains and Jews”.
I remember when I was very young (maybe 8 or 9) I had a friend in Baghdad called Nabil who was Jewish. His family immigrated to the UK back in 79 and I never saw him again. That was the one and only Jewish Iraqi I ever knew so I’m not old enough to remember the Jewish community as it was in its heyday but I’m often told that the Iraqi Jews considered themselves as Arabs of Jewish faith rather than Jews living in an Arab country. They were very good Judges, lawyers, accountants and skilled laborers. Many old timers say it was a great loss to Iraq’s cultural mix when the Jewish community dispersed.
Below is a quote from Wikipedia:
“Iraqi Jewsconstitute one of the world's oldest and historically significant Jewish communities. It was to Babylon that the Jews were exiled around 600 BCE. The descendants of these exiles ensured that Babylonia became the most important Jewish community after the Roman destruction of Jerusalem. The community thrived as the center of Jewish learning until the Middle Ages, when the Mongol invasion, and the subsequent persecutions of the local Muslims significantly reduced its importance. With the rule of the Ottoman Empire, the life of Iraqi Jews improved, though the community never regained its former importance. Iraqi Jews played an important role in the early days of the country's independence, but the Iraqi Jewish community, numbered at around 150,000 in 1948, was almost entirely driven out of the country by increasing persecution from the 1940s onwards. Today, fewer than 100 Jews remain.”
“Why don't we elect a none political people, offer them wages, not help themselves to everything like our saddam did, and everyone before him except for Qasim.”
First we have to reconcile our differences and forgive the past (not forget). Reconciliation will be very difficult but certainly not impossible. Just look to South Africa for a great example of how a people that were repressed by a minority regime can come together and started to rebuild. Regards Azinorum
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did you know that the jewish iraqis in the 1930's or before from long time before that they were developed in its trades outside the iraqi economic and they were 95% of the jewish iraqis helped to develop the iraqi economic god they were very clever and smart and kind.
did you know that the jewish iraqis in the 1930's or before from long time before that they were developed in its trades outside the iraqi economic and they were 95% of the jewish iraqis helped to develop the iraqi economic god they were very clever and smart and kind.
More info on Iraqi Jews. Thier history in Iraq goes back much earlier but I just included the period between the Otoman rule to present day. below is taken from Wikipedia but for a more indepth report you can try the following URL: http://www.samba.co.il/iraqijews.
Turkish rule (1534 to 1922)
After various changes of fortune, Mesopotamia and Iraq came into the hands of the Ottoman Turks, when Sultan Suleiman II in 1534 took Tabriz and Baghdad from the Persians, leading to an improvement in the life of the Jews. The Persian reconquest in 1623 led to a much worse situation, so that the re-conquest of Iraq by the Turks in 1638 included an army with a large population of Jews, some sources say they made up 10% of the army. The day of the reconquest was even given a holiday, "Yom Nes" (day of miracle).
Over time, the Turkish rule deteriorated and the situation of the Jews worsened, but the population continued to grow. In 1884 there were 30,000 Jews in Baghdad and by 1900, 50,000. The community also produced great rabbis, such as Joseph Hayyim ben Eliahu Mazal-Tov (1834 - 1909).
Modern times (since 1922) Sociologist Philip Mendes asserts that before the anti-Jewish actions of the 1930s and 1940s, overall Iraqi Jews "viewed themselves as Arabs of the Jewish faith, rather than as a separate race or nationality". Additionally, early Labor Zionism mostly concentrated on the Jews of Europe, skipping Iraqi Jews because of their lack of interest in agriculture. The result was that "Until World War II, Zionism made little headway because few Iraqi Jews were interested in the socialist ideal of manual labor in Palestine." (Simon, Reguer, and Laskier, p 364)
In the early days after independence in 1922, well-educated Jews played an important role in civic life. Iraq's first minister of finance, Yehezkel Sasson, was a Jew, and Jews were important in developing the judicial and postal systems. Records from the Baghdad Chamber of Commerce show that 10 out of its 19 members in 1947 were Jews and the first musical band formed for Baghdad's nascent radio in the 1930s consisted mainly of Jews. Jews were represented in the Iraqi parliament, and many Jews held significant positions in the bureaucracy.
In the 1930s, the situation of the Jews in Iraq deteriorated. Previously, the growing Iraqi Arab nationalist sentiment included Iraqi Jews as fellow Arabs, but these views changed with the introduction of Nazi propaganda and the ongoing conflict in the Palestinian Mandate. Despite protestations of their loyalty to Iraq, Iraqi Jews were increasingly subject to discrimination and harsh laws. On August 27, 1934 many Jews were dismissed from public service, and quotas were set up in colleges and universities. Zionist activities were banned, as was the teaching of Jewish history and Hebrew in Jewish schools. Following Rashid Ali's pro-Axis coup, the Farhud ("violent dispossession") pogrom of June 1 and 2, 1941, broke out in Baghdad in which approximately 200 Jews were murdered (some sources put the number higher), and up to 2,000 injured -- damages to property were estimated at $3 million. There was also looting in many other cities at around the same time. Afterwards, Zionist emissaries from Palestine were sent to teach Iraqi Jews self-defense, which they were eager to learn. ." (Simon, Reguer, and Laskier, p 364)
In 1948, the country was placed under martial law, and the penalties for Zionism were increased. Courts martial were used to intimidate wealthy Jews were detained, Jews were again dismissed from civil service, quotas were placed on university positions, and one of the most important anti-Zionist Jewish businessmen in the country was arrested and executed for allegedly selling goods to Israel, shocking the community (Tripp, 123). Additionally, like most Arab League states, Iraq forbade any legal emigration of its Jews on the grounds that they might go to Israel and could strengthen that state. However, intense diplomatic pressure brought about a change of mind. At the same time, increasing government oppression of the Jews fueled by anti-Israeli sentiment, together with public expressions of anti-semitism, created an atmosphere of fear and uncertainty.
By 1949, the Iraqi Zionist underground had become well-established (despite many arrests), and they were smuggling Iraqi Jews out of the country illegally at a rate of 1,000 a month (Simon, Reguer, and Laskier, p 365). Hoping to stem the flow of assets from the country, in March 1950 Iraq passed a law of one year duration allowing Jews to emigrate on condition of relinquishing their Iraqi citizenship. They were motivated, according to Ian Black, by "economic considerations, chief of which was that almost all the property of departing Jews reverted to the state treasury" and also that "Jews were seen as a restive and potentially troublesome minority that the country was best rid of." (p.91) Israel was initially reluctant to absorb so many immigrants, (Hillel, 1987) but eventually mounted an airlift operation in March of 1951 called "Ezra and Nehemiah" to bring as many of the Iraqi Jews as possible to Israel, and sent agents to Iraq to urge the Jews to register for immigration as soon as possible.
From the start of the emigration law in March 1950 until the end of the year, 60,000 Jews registered to leave Iraq. In addition to continuing arrests and the dismissal of Jews from their jobs, this exodus was encouraged by a series of bombings starting in April 1950 that resulted in a number of injuries and a few deaths. Two months before the expiry of the law, by which time about 85,000 Jews had registered, another bomb at the Masuda Shemtov synagogue killed 3 or 5 Jews and injured many others. The law expired in March 1951 but was later extended after the Iraqi government froze the assets of departing Jews, including those who had already left. During the next few months, all but a few thousand of the remaining Jews registered for emigration, spurred on by a sequence of further bombings that caused few casualties but likewise had great psychological impact. In total about 120,000 Jews left Iraq.
The true identity and objective of the masterminds behind the bombings has been the subject of controversy. Philip Mendes, in his work on post-1948 Jewish refugees, states that anti-Zionist Jewish authors, along with many Iraqi Jews, believed that the attacks were carried out by the Zionist underground. A secret Israeli inquiry in 1960 reported that most of the witnesses believed that Jews had been responsible for the bombings, but found no evidence that they were ordered by Israel or any motive that would have explained the attack (Morris and Black). The issue remains unresolved: Iraqi activists in Israel still regularly charge that Israel used violence to engineer the exodus, while Israeli officials of the time vehemently deny it (ibid). Iraqi authorities eventually charged three members of the Zionist underground with perpetrating the explosions. Two of those charged, Shalom Salah Shalom and Yosef Ibrahim Basri, were subsequently found guilty and executed, whilst the third was sentenced to a lengthy jail term. Salah Shalom claimed in his trial that he was tortured into confessing, and Yosef Basri maintained his innocence throughout.
Historians have generally argued against the idea of a conspiracy to increase Jewish registration. Mendes cites the arguments of Moshe Gat in The Jewish Exodus from Iraq 1948-1951 (1998):
Historian Moshe Gat argues that there was little direct connection between the bombings and exodus. He demonstrates that the frantic and massive Jewish registration for denaturalisation and departure was driven by knowledge that the denaturalisation law was due to expire in March 1951. He also notes the influence of further pressures including the property-freezing law, and continued anti-Jewish disturbances which raised the fear of large-scale pogroms. In addition, it is highly unlikely the Israelis would have taken such measures to accelerate the Jewish evacuation given that they were already struggling to cope with the existing level of Jewish immigration. Gat also raises serious doubts about the guilt of the alleged Jewish bombthrowers. Firstly, a Christian officer in the Iraqi army known for his anti-Jewish views, was arrested, but apparently not charged, with the offences. A number of explosive devices similar to those used in the attack on the Jewish synagogue were found in his home. In addition, there was a long history of anti-Jewish bomb-throwing incidents in Iraq. Secondly, the prosecution was not able to produce even one eyewitness who had seen the bombs thrown. Thirdly, the Jewish defendant Shalom Salah indicated in court that he had been severely tortured in order to procure a confession. It therefore remains an open question as to who was responsible for the bombings, although Gat suggests that the most likely perpetrators were members of the anti-Jewish Istiqlal Party. Certainly memories and interpretations of the events have further been influenced and distorted by the unfortunate discrimination which many Iraqi Jews experienced on their arrival in Israel.
قال مستشار لرئيس الوزراء العراقي نوري المالكي إن رجل الدين الشيعي مقتدى الصدر موجود في زيارة قصيرة إلى إيران غير أنه نفى أن يكون هذا الأخير قد فر خوفا من يتم توقيفه.
جاء هذا التصريح وسط تقارير متضاربة حول المكان الذي يوجد فيه الصدر بعد الإعلان عن الخطة الأمنية الجديدة التي تستهدف ضبط الأمن في العاصمة العراقية.
وكان مسؤول رفيع في الجيش الأمريكي قد أعلن أن الزعيم الشيعي الشاب غادر الى إيران قبيل انطلاق العملية الأمنية في بغداد.
وأضاف المسؤول أن الصدر ـ المتهم بالتحريض على مهاجمة المناطق السنية والقوات الأمريكية في العراق ـ قد استقل سيارة قبل أسبوعين أو ثلاثة، وتوجه بها مباشرة إلى العاصمة الإيرانية طهران، لكن متحدثين باسم مقتدى الصدر نفوا ذلك.
ونفى نصارالربيعي المتحدث باسم الكتلة الصدرية في البرلمان العراقي ما ذكره المسؤول الأمريكي.
وأصر الربيعي على أن مقتدى الصدر لازال في العراق "ويقوم بمهامه بشكل طبيعي،" الا انه لم يفصح عن مكان تواجده.
وقد دعت الولايات المتحدة مرارا السلطات العراقية الى تفكيك ميليشيات الصدر التي تتهمها الولايات المتحدة بانها وراء عدد من الهجمات الطائفية.
The headline says it all. It also proves that when you target the right people Jihoosh Al Mehdi will fall to pieces. The arrest of Al Zamili made Sadr's Iranian masters nervous and they withdrew their protégé to protect their valuable asset. It shows that this Sadr and his Mehdi Jihoosh can be put out of business by targeting key personnel in the organization. Once the head falls the sheep will disband and go back to smoking Hashees and watching Satellite TV.
لا شك في ذلك ان هؤلاء البشر الناقص يترعرعون في الجو العكر ويضن احدهم انه اصبح ذا قيمة ولكن لا ينظر الى صورته عند الاخرين او يتناساها لقد تناسو رقصهم في شوارع العامرية وهم ينشدون اليوم نكرضها للعامرية والفديو اطلع عليه الشعب العراقي والعالم العربي والغربي والكل صرح من اين جاءوا هؤلاء الاوباش انهم ليسوا بعراقيين انهم نبتوا من الزبالة او خرجوا مع ديدان المراحيض ونالوا غضب الله والشعب عليهم انهم قتلة الابرياء معتدين اثمين والاثم الاكبر هو لقياداتهم الرعنه التي اثبتت انها لا تصلح حتى امام لمسجد في قرية نائية واليوم تسكت عنهم الحكومة لتبدا التطهير في شارع حيفا والاعظمية وتتركهم طلقاء
Maliki relies on Muqtada the brave because he holds about a quarter of the parliamentary seats of the Shia Alliance. This is the big joke, Maliki needs Sadr more than visa versa. But it could just be that the Americans have had enough and decided to force Maliki's hand on his one. By the way I commend you on your very descriptive and accurate assessment of where these Jihoosh Al Mahdi originated from. I couldn't have said it better.
من اين جاءوا هؤلاء الاوباش انهم ليسوا بعراقيين انهم نبتوا من الزبالة او خرجوا مع ديدان المراحيض
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