what are the real news we must trust in this scenario:
- A senior official from Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki's office, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the execution was postponed "due to international pressure".
-Baha al-Araji, an influential Shiite lawmaker from radical cleric Moqtada al-Sadr's parliamentary bloc, said: "I am sure it will be done on Sunday."
-Another Shiite deputy, Sami al-Askari, said the executions will be carried out after the end of state holidays for the Eid al-Adha festival on Saturday. He did not give a precise date. "The executions will be after the holidays," said Askari, who was present at Saddam's hanging on Saturday as Maliki's representative.
-Askari said there was also a view among some members of the government that the two former regime officials be hanged after the appeals court decides on a prosecution request to send another Saddam aide to the gallows. The prosecution has requested that Taha Yassin Ramadan, former vice president, also be hanged. He was sentenced to life imprisonment, but the prosecution has suggested that this was insufficient.
-On Wednesday, UN spokeswoman Michele Montas said (United Nations) Secretary General Ban Ki-moon was opposed to the death penalty. "The secretary general strongly believes in the wisdom of Article 3 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights which states everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person," she said.
-He fully endorses the call made today by (UN High Commissioner for Human Rights) Louise Arbour for restraint by the government of Iraq in the execution of the death sentences imposed by the Iraqi high tribunal," she added.
-The US military has expressed concern over the manner in which Saddam was hanged, saying it would "have done things differently", and Britain has condemned the leaking of the video. And in the latest implied criticism of the first hanging, White House spokesman Tony Fratto said: "We expect Iraqi officials to handle their business with appropriate care. I don't think there's anything more we can say." Saddam, Barzan and Bandar were found guilty on November 5 of ordering the judicial murder of 148 Shiite men and boys from the village of Dujail in the 1980s. They were sentenced to death for crimes against humanity.
-Saddam's execution five days ago has angered members of Iraq's Sunni minority and triggered criticism from observers who felt he was humiliated minutes before being put to death. A grisly unofficial video released after Saddam was hanged showed one of the members of the execution party shouting the name of Sadr, a bitter opponent of Saddam. The two-and-half minute film shot on a mobile telephone camera has spread like wildfire on the Internet and triggered angry outbursts within Iraq's Sunni Arab community and from international leaders. One of those present at the execution could be heard shouting "Moqtada! Moqtada! Moqtada!" at a sneering Saddam, inspiring some observers to compare the execution to a sectarian lynching. "Basically they were doing their congregational prayers and supplications, and they mentioned at the end of their supplication the name of Moqtada," said National Security Advisor Mowaffaq al-Rubaie, defending the execution. "I can't see where is the humiliation, to be quite honest. Moqtada, Moqtada, Moqtada is not a dirty word, not an obscene word. They were not cursing."
-Rubaie also explained why the executioners and Iraqi officials danced around Saddam's body after the hanging. "This is the tradition of the Iraqis -- when they do something they dance around the body and they express their feelings," he said.
-"What is wrong with that? If that upsets the feelings of some of the Arab nations and Arab rulers, I think: 'The best of luck to them'. "To the best of my knowledge and belief after I left the scene I was proud of what had happened and it was played by the book, but when the video was released I saw some wrongdoing and this has to be addressed," he said.
-Askari said two justice ministry guards had been held for questioning.
< Message edited by al ani -- 1/4/2007 2:42:19 PM >
Mr alani i can say nothing to beleave the news in these days, each one like to be a chief, as mr akrawi told and for the international law which privent the execution ,the iraqi goverment did not cair for what the law said.it take the openions of the millitias.
< Message edited by saifali -- 1/4/2007 6:08:20 PM >
The speed in which the Maliki government carried out the sentence suggests to me that they were under pressure to remove Saddam before the Halabcha trial began. Saddam and his regime committed much more serious crimes than in Dujail, so it’s suspicious to me why he was executed for this particular case. Those who suffered most because of Saddam’s government didn’t get the justice they were promised and those who supported Saddam didn’t see a proper legal trial for their leader. There was still plenty of time left from the thirty days deadline so why did they rush to execute him and why on the first day of Eid?
There is a theory as far as why they executed him for this case (Dujail). During 1980s many countries supplied Iraq with weapons while others purchased and supplied Saddam whenever a cover was needed. Countries such as Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, United States, United Kingdom, Germany, France, China and Russia (just to name a few) would have had to be named and their involvement explained. During the Iraq/Iran war Saudi and Kuwaiti money supported Iraq and it was the West that supplied the weapons, chemicals and technical assistance. This is why they didn’t want Saddam to be tried for Halabcha and war crime against Iran. The Americans and their companies were the main suppliers of Saddam’s regime and would have been implicated. This is why I think it was an American decision to get rid of Saddam before the information went public.
As for why the execution was carried out on the first day of Eid and allowed to be filmed I don't know. But I have to blame the Maliki government for this decision because I can't see an advantage in it for the Americans. I think Sadr or Badr people wanted it on this day and pressurized the Maliki government to accept. They (sader/Badr) are the only ones stupid enough to think it would bring them an advantage. Regards Azinorum
< Message edited by azinorum -- 1/4/2007 11:27:44 PM >
This is yesterdays headline from one of the UK's most respected Newspapers. I think it says a lot about how the West judges recent events. The way execution was handled has completely back fired and made the situation much worse.
Does it matter who said what and who did what? I think what matters now is educating our officials to be responsible for their actions. Chain of command in any operation, company, factory and government must be respected. After the many years of dectatorship we iraqis need to understand democracy, making sure that our religious leaders are not above the law, they do not dectate the law, and their job is to help those families that have been affected by years and years of blood shed. Help educate our children, pray and spread the word. Peace Peace Peace
all your ideas made a good interpretations to the case of our weak goverment. and the new things that bush said:
أعلن الرئيس الأمريكي جورج بوش أمس الخميس 4-1-2007 أن إعدام الرئيس العراقي السابق صدام حسين كان يجب أن يتم بطريقة "أكثر وقارا" داعيا العراق إلى فتح تحقيق كامل حول ظروف شنقه. وقال اثر محادثات مع المستشارة الالمانية انجيلا ميركل في البيت الأبيض "كنت اود بالتأكيد أن يتم الإعدام بطريقة أكثر وقارا"، مضيفا "ومع ذلك كان له الحق بمحاكمة لم تتوفر لآلاف الأشخاص الذين قتلهم". وأضاف "اعتقد شخصيا أن صدام حسين توفرت له محاكمة كان يرفض تأمينها لآلاف الأشخاص الذين قتلهم"، مضيفا "ننتظر تحقيقا كاملا حول ما جرى" خلال شنق الديكتاتور العراقي". واعدم صدام حسين فجر السبت الماضي في مقر الاستخبارات العسكرية في حي الكاظمية شمال بغداد, تنفيذا للحكم الصادر في حقه في الخامس من نوفمبر/تشرين الثاني لادانته في قضية قتل 148 شيعيا في الدجيل في ثمانينيات القرن الماضي. واثار توقيت إعدام صدام في أول أيام عيد الاضحى، فضلا عن هتافات طائفية رددت أثناء عملية الشنق جدلا في الشارع العربي والإسلامي. في الوقت نفسه، قال بوش إنه سيعلن سياسته الجديدة بشأن العراق الأسبوع القادم وأنه ما زال يجري مشاورات فيما يعكف على اعداد استراتيجية. واضاف "سأكون جاهزا في وقت ما الاسبوع القادم لتحديد استراتيجية ستساعد العراقيين على تحقيق هدف لبلد يمكنه أن يحكم نفسه ويقوي نفسه ويدافع عن نفسه". وأحد الخيارات التي يدرسها بوش ارسال قوات اضافية الى العراق لكنه لم يوضح هل سيكون ذلك في اقتراحه النهائي. وقال "انا في سبيلي لاتخاذ قراري النهائي فيما يتعلق بما سأوصي به وما هي التوصيات التي ستقبل... هناك شيء مؤكد وهو انني سأسعى لضمان ان تكون المهمة واضحة ومحددة ويمكن انجازها".
< Message edited by al ani -- 1/5/2007 2:43:16 PM >
والسيد الخالصي يصف اعدام صدام يوم العيد بالبلاهة والغباء
في الوقت الذي أحدث توقيت إعدام الرئيس العراقي السابق صدام حسين في أول أيام عيد الأضحى جدلا في الأوساط السنية داخل العراق وخارجها، فقد أثار أيضا جدلا في الأوساط الشيعية بين مؤيد ومعارض. وفي هذا الإطار، وصف المرجع الشيعي العراقي الكبير آية الله جواد محمد الخالصي توقيت تنفيذ الحكم بإعدام صدام بأنه "بلاهة وبلادة وغباء". في الوقت نفسه، اتهم الأمريكيين بالتخطيط لعملية الشنق في هذا الوقت لإثارة فتنة مذهبية. وقال الخالصي، عضو التنظيم الشيعي المعروف باسم الحركة الإسلامية في العراق، الأمين العام لمؤتمر العراق التأسيسي، "للعربية.نت" كان يمكن أن يحصل أي تأجيل أو تغيير في الوقت حتى لا تدخل الأمة في هذه المتاهات، إن كنا قد رضينا بأصل المحكمة التي حاكمته، فنحن معترضون منذ البداية عليها، ولا نرى فيها الشرعية لأنها جرت بأمر المحتل وتحت ظل الاحتلال. واستطرد الخالصي: في نفس الوقت نحن نقر بخطورة وصحة التهم الموجهة لصدام حسين، ولكن كان يجب أن تجري في محكمة عراقية شرعية تستطيع أن تكشف كل الملفات بشكلها الصحيح، ولا تتجه نحو الانتقام لكي تخفي كل الملفات والعلاقات السابقة الخطيرة التي جرت في الفترة الماضية وأدت إلى كوارث كبيرة على الشعب العراقي. وأضاف: مع كل هذا، لو كانوا أكثر عقلا، وكانوا يرغبون في ألا تحدث فتنة، لتمهلوا في هذا الأمر "توقيت تنفيذ الاعدام" وتجنبوا أن تقع هذه الخلافات المأساوية في أيام أعياد المسلمين.
التوقيت مناف الذوق والخلق وردا على سؤال عن احتمال وجود شبهة حرمة دينية لتنفيذ الحكم يوم العيد وفي الأشهر الحرم، أجاب آية الله جواد الخالصي: الذي أعلمه أن بدء القتال في هذه الأشهر نهى عنه الله تعالى، وكانت العرب تلتزم به قبل الإسلام، وكانوا يعملون النسئ كما ورد في الآية الكريمة، أي يؤجلون أشهرهم الحرم إلى أشهر أخرى، حتى يقاتلوا فيها. فالقتال هو المحرم، أما إقامة الحدود أو تحقيق القصاص إذا كان بأمر شرعي وبمحكمة شرعية، فلا أرى مانعا أن يقع في الأشهر الحرم، أو حتى في يوم المناسبة الدينية، لكن من ناحية الذوق والخلق والأعراف، يجب أن تؤجل هذه المسائل في المناسبات الدينية والأعياد.الطائفية أثناء التنفيذ وعما إذا كان البعد الطائفي تمثل في الهتافات التي صاحبت مشهد الإعدام علق المرجع الشيعي العراقي آية الله الخالصي بقوله: نعم.. هذه عبارات وشعارات وكلمات يعرف الذين فعلوها وخططوا لها إنها تنحى إلى تشديد الجانب الطائفي في المجتمع وتشديد الأزمة القائمة. وأنا اعتقد أن الذين قاموا بهذا العمل أدخلوا إلى مكان التنفيذ بأمر القوة الحاكمة التي سلمت المحكوم عليه وهي قوات الاحتلال الأمريكية، والقول إن الأمريكيين أرادوا تأجيل الحكم أو تأجيل التنفيذ قول زائف، فقد كانوا يستطيعون ألا يسلمونه فيتأجل موعد التنفيذ تلقائيا. وتابع: ولكن المخطط كان واضحا أن يسلموه وأن يجري تنفيذ الحكم فيه، وأن يقوم البعض بالصياح وإصدار هتافات تتجه إلى المنحى الطائفي لتشديد الفتنة، وقد أعلن الكثير ممن نسبت إليهم هذه الهتافات أن هذا العمل لا يمت إليهم وأنهم لا يتحملون وزره ولا يتحملون أثار الموقف الذي جرى هناك، لأن العبارات التي وردت كان يراد منها استدراج أطراف في الساحة العراقية لا تحبهم قوات الاحتلال، لكي يصطدموا ببعضهم أكثر وأكثر. وقال الخالصي إن الذين أرادوا تنفيذ مشهد الاعدام بهذه الكيفية نجحوا في بث الفتنة بشكل نسبي، فمظاهرات التأييد ومظاهرات الاحتجاج المعاكسة لها، كما رأيناها على الفضائيات لم تكن بذلك الزخم الهائل الذي ينبئ عن نجاح المخطط كاملا، ولكنها محاولة جديدة استدرج إليها البعض، وكل يتكلم من جانبه، فمن كان مكلوما أو مجروحا أو أؤذي في زمن النظام السابق من المآسي والكوارث التي جرت فيه، أظهر الرضا والشماتة. ومن لم يكن كذلك أخذ الجانب الآخر الذي اعتبر هذا اعتداء على الأمة العربية وعلى مواقفها.
الشماتة لا تليق بالكريم وأضاف الخالصي: أنا شخصيا تجنبت الحديث في هذا الموضوع حتى هذه اللحظة لأنني لا أرى الشماتة تليق بالانسان الكريم، كما أن المآسي التي جرت في الفترات الماضية مآس واقعية وحقيقية تستدعي الكثير من التأمل والنظر وعدم الانجرار خلف التأييد الذي تدفع إليه العصبية في بعض الأحيان. وعن امكانية تقليص رقعة ما حصل من فتنة سنية شيعية قال: سنعمل إن شاء الله على ذلك من خلال المناشدة التي وجهناها علنا وسرا إلى أبناء شعبنا في العراق وإلى أبناء أمتنا في كل مكان، وقلنا لهم إن الصراع الذي يجري هو بين هذه الأمة ومشروعها النخبوي الاسلامي الحضاري، وبين المشروع الصهيوني المدعوم من قوى الاحتلال وقوى الهيمنة الأمريكية في العالم. واستطرد: لا يمكن أن ينتصر المشروع الصهيوني في هذا الصراع إذا اتحدت الأمة، ولذلك هم يسعون إلى اثارة الصراعات الجانبية داخلها بين قومياتها وطوائفها وأحزابها كي يبقى العدو الصهيوني في حالة انتظار وارتياح، فإذا كانت هنالك طوائف يصورون الأمر من المنحى الطائفي كما يجري في العراق وكما يحاولون في لبنان، وإذا لم تكن هنالك طوائف فإنهم يصورونه فئويا كما يجري اليوم بين فتح وحماس، وهذا الأمر هو الذي يعمل عليه مشروع الاحتلال والنقطة المركزية فيه أن تثار هذه الفتن بين أبناء الأمة. وأنا أطالب بأن يتجاوزوا كل خلاف جانبي لأن مصيرهم واحد ولأن الله لا ينصر أمة مشتتة تقسم دينها وأفكارها بلا سبب أو وعي.
مؤتمر لعلماء السنة والشيعة وعن إمكانية عقد مؤتمر يجمع كبار علماء السنة والشيعة لمعالجة هذه الأمور قال آية الله الخالصي هناك جهود لعقد مؤتمر يجمع علماء السنة والشيعة العراقيين كما يجمع العلماء المؤثرين والواعين في الدول المجاورة والقريبة، ولكني لا أرى أن نجاح هذه المؤتمرات يتم من خلال عقدها، فالواجب هو العمل الواعي والهادئ لكي تخرج قرارات يتفق عليها وأن تجري متابعة جيدة ودقيقة لتطبيقها، وتلك هي المشكلة التي عانينا منها سابقا، فقد جرت لقاءات عديدة لم تعقبها متابعة أو عمل ميداني على الأرض يحاول تطبيقها. ويشرف آية الله جواد الخالصي على مدرسة الزهراء الخالصية التي أسسها جده محمد المهدي في العراق عام 1911، وقد نفى جده لسنوات طويلة إلى الهند التي انتقل منها إلى إيران، وتوفي فيها. أما والده فنفي إلى إيران وبقي فيها27 سنة في عهد رضا شاه والد الشاه الإيراني الأخير.. ورغم ذلك ظلت المدرسة الخالصية تمارس عملها في العراق حتى عام 1980، حينما استولى النظام السابق عليها، واضطر هو إلى االخروج من العراق والبقاء 23 عاما متنقلا بين إيران ولبنان وسوريا، وصدر عليه الحكم غيابيا بالإعدام. وهو من الأوائل الذين أسسوا المجلس الأعلى للثورة الإسلامية في العراق، وقد خرج منه بعد تأسيسه بسنتين لرفضه توجهات المجلس التي يصفها بالأحادية الضيقة.
< Message edited by al ani -- 1/5/2007 12:16:57 PM >
my frind rashi welcome in this topic you told that the execute man was not saddam ??????? MY FRIND WE ARE IRAQIS AND WE KNOW HOMANY "KHALA" or shama in his face wich we look it more than 30 years.
Does it matter who said what and who did what? I think what matters now is educating our officials to be responsible for their actions. Chain of command in any operation, company, factory and government must be respected. After the many years of dectatorship we iraqis need to understand democracy, making sure that our religious leaders are not above the law, they do not dectate the law, and their job is to help those families that have been affected by years and years of blood shed. Help educate our children, pray and spread the word. Peace Peace Peace
Mr calm I agree with you the american help some Iraqis peoples to remove the Dictator and told that they like to create a new democratic goverment under the colonization, that peoples came with the troops were prepares them selfs to be a grand leaders ,they went to their religious and by " minute pot" they create their parties and use the religious peoples by ellections to become leaders, they were staying many years out side the country , and directly they are chiefs with no expeariances in what inside iraq ,they form a religious mellitais for politics definces and start to kill each others to get more areas in the "political land ". how can you respect these peoples which the first leader of them signe the killing of one guilty mosluman between arafat and el Aid elkabir , not care for the islam nation or arab nation, for me it is better to respect the cheifs of company or factory as you said rather than those puppets of colonization...................................................................
< Message edited by al ani -- 1/5/2007 4:38:31 PM >
This is getting farcical. The below report just came up on the BBC News website.
Iraqi PM Nouri Maliki has said his government could review relations with any country which criticised the execution of ex-leader Saddam Hussein.
Mr Maliki said the hanging was a "domestic affair" for the benefit of Iraq's unity, adding that the former president had received a fair trial.
Mr Maliki's remarks came in a speech to mark Iraqi Army Day, in which he promised to take action against all armed groups in Baghdad. He said that Iraqi troops were now fully prepared to tighten security in the capital with US forces operating in support.
“The new neighbourhood-by-neighbourhood operation” which starts this weekend would be carried out regardless of the groups' political affiliations, he added. The announcement comes only days before US President George Bush is due to outline his new strategy for Iraq.
Who do they think they're kidding? If Maliki cuts diplomatic relations with everyone who criticizes the hanging then he'll run out of allies (except Iran of course). The world's public are criticizing the way in which the execution was handled by the Al Maliki government, not the principle behind it.
I still can't believe how badly they messed up the trial and execution. They turned Saddam into a martyr and showed how weak and disorganized this sad government is. Maliki is sounding more and more desperate and has now announced that Iraq's security forces are ready and will implement“The new neighborhood-by-neighborhood operation” which is supposed to solve Baghdad’s security problems. Yabeh decaafee! Could someone tell me what the difference is between this “clean up” operation and the countless others that have preceded it??? All that'll happen is they'll impose yet another curfew, do these searches but find nothing significant and then things will go back to normal (insurgency, Mehdi Army, Badr Brigade and others will continue destroying Baghdad).
Maliki says the hanging was a domestic affair for the benefit of Iraqi Unity??? Is that how he expects to create national unity? By allowing Sadrs people to turn it into a show of power? If he really wants to create national unity he will have to bring in all Iraq's parties, including those who appose this government. He has to stop sitting on the sidelines and show courage by acting against the Militias. If he stays on as PM and does nothing then he will be confirming what many already believe him to be, an Iranian masquerading as an Iraqi. If Maliki wants to prove otherwise then he must stop cooperating with the Criminal Militias for the sake of "National Reconciliation" or "National Unity" or whatever meaningless catchphrase they come up with next. He needs to be firm, decisive, and aggressive and take action against this filth and those who fund and control them. If that alienates a significant segment of the country, then so be it. Just Stop pussyfooting around and get on with it.
Regards Azinorum
< Message edited by azinorum -- 1/6/2007 3:00:15 PM >
because simply this new government of iraq is filthy and discusting and stupit and naive and puppets and they do not how to iraq only they disco dancing and whiskey and beer.
MR Azinorem said: Maliki says the hanging was a domestic affair for the benefit of Iraqi Unity??? Is that how he expects to create national unity? By allowing Sadrs people to turn it into a show of power? If he really wants to create national unity he will have to bring in all Iraq's parties, including those who appose this government. He has to stop sitting on the sidelines and show courage by acting against the Militias. If he stays on as PM and does nothing then he will be confirming what many already believe him to be, an Iranian masquerading as an Iraqi. If Maliki wants to prove otherwise then he must stop cooperating with the Criminal Militias for the sake of "National Reconciliation" or "National Unity" or whatever meaningless catchphrase they come up with next. He needs to be firm, decisive, and aggressive and take action against this filth and those who fund and control them. If that alienates a significant segment of the country, then so be it. Just Stop pussyfooting around and get on with it. (Azinorem)
Mr Azinorem i agree with you 100% ( -جعجعة بلا طحين- )
< Message edited by al ani -- 1/7/2007 10:11:37 AM >
to Azinorem Sure he was trying first to be faithful for iraq, but the 555 and Millitias are propegate him to what they need (so he was failed ) and try now to be like them as pocket fillers and stop his leadership.
I'd like to see Ayad Alawi back in the political frame. 6 months wasn't enough time to make any real difference and it was in the early days. I thought he was tough enough and was looked like his own man. The most important thing is that Alawi is a politician not a Mulla, and definitely Iraqi.
ORIGINAL: al ani To : Azinorem i like to agree with you but may be Allawi change to small Sdeidim...................?
By Sdeidim I presume you mean Saddam. If yes then I should tell you that it’s extremely doubtful that Alawi could or would ever want to be a small Saddam. We all know Saddam’s background – A **** son who grew up in a family of shepherds and simple farmers. It isn’t difficult to see why Saddam was so ruthless and cruel when you consider where he came from and where he ended up (President).
Alawi on the other hand comes from a very well known and respected Iraqi family who are politically savvy. His grandfather was in politics and his father was a member of the Iraqi National Parliament. Forget the fact that he was Baathi because this was a very long time ago. He resigned back in the seventies I can’t remember exactly when. I voted for him twice for the following reasons:
Secular Shia Well educated Known Iraqi family Politically astute Not Iranian influenced Strong character
His past Baathi ties could have even been an advantage in bridging the gap between the old and the new. This is how I view him anyway......If however by Sdeidim you meant something else then sorry for wasting yoiur time. Regards Azinorum
< Message edited by azinorum -- 1/8/2007 10:53:36 AM >
Mr Azinorem I think you understand me very well, and we are in the same way but i stell afraid that Iraq get anther dectator and we lose 30 years again.
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Could someone tell me what the difference is between this “clean up” operation and the countless others that have preceded it??? All that'll happen is they'll impose yet another curfew, do these searches but find nothing significant and then things will go back to normal (insurgency, Mehdi Army, Badr Brigade and others will continue destroying Baghdad). 
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