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azinorum -> RE: Anfield Forever - the Scouse corner (1/16/2007 4:10:41 AM)

On this day in Liverpool history - 16th January

Red trebles
Robbie Fowler bagged a treble eight years ago today as we secured our best ever Premiership win, thrashing Southampton 7-1 at Anfield, with future loanee Paul Jones in the Saints’ goal. Michael Owen, Dominic Matteo, David Thompson and even Jamie Carragher were also on target.

On this day in 1909, inside-left Ronald Orr netted three as we beat Lincoln City 5-1 in an FA Cup First Round tie at Anfield. Joe Hewitt and Jack Parkinson nabbed the others.

In comes Roy
Roy Evans signed for the reds on the newly introduced ‘B’ form on this day in 1964, a precursor to a full apprenticeship. He became one of the club’s greatest servants, serving as fan, left-back, reserves coach, Assistant Manager and then finally the top job for four years.

Xabi Alonso eat your heart out
Reds left-back Donald Mackinlay scored from ten yards inside his own half, as we beat West Ham United 2-1 at Upton Park on this day in 1926. Tom Scott grabbed the other.

European defeat
We lost 2-0 at Juventus on this day in 1985 in the UEFA Super Cup, with Zbigniew Boniek grabbing both the goals.

Happy birthdays
Goalkeeping coach José Ochotorena is 46 today. He had previously coached the goalkeepers under Rafael Benítez at Valencia as well as for the Spanish national team.

Scottish wing-half Tommy Fairfoul was born on this day in 1881. He played 71 reds games before being suspended for the match rigging scandal against Manchester United in 1915. He then became a taxi owner in Liverpool.

Four against
George Brown scored four goals for Aston Villa as they thumped us 6-1 at Villa Park on this day in 1932. Harold Barton grabbed our consolation.

Yet another defeat on the road
We suffered our twentieth straight away League defeat on this day in 1954, as we lost 2-1 at Preston North End. Unsurprisingly, this remains a club record. Inside-forward Kevin Baron struck his 32nd goal in his 153rd and final reds game.

Seeing red
Ex-blue Dave Hickson was sent off as we beat Sheffield United 3-0 at Anfield in a First Division fixture on this day in 1960. Roger Hunt bagged a brace, with Jimmy Melia also on the scoresheet.

Beating the Blues
We defeated Everton 2-1 in a Wartime League match at Anfield on this day in 1943, with Jack Balmer and Cyril Done on target.

Beating the Wearsiders
We have twice beaten Sunderland 2-1 at Anfield in the First Division on this day in history. Sam Raybould and Jack Cox were on target in 1904, with Tom Miller and Fred Pagnam netting in the final minutes eleven years later.

Digger for the League
On this day in 1991, John Barnes represented the Football League in a game against an Italian League side in Napoli.

Dio-Dio’s final farewell
The reserves lost 3-1 to Sunderland at the Academy four years ago today. Bernard Diomède scored a penalty in his last appearance in a reds shirt.

Terry Mac for England
Future red Terry McDermott won his only Under-23's cap on this day in 1974 as England were held to a goalless draw by Wales at Ashton Gate.

Prudhoe on the move again
Future reds loanee keeper Mark Prudhoe joined Sheffield Wednesday on loan from Walsall twenty years ago today. He did not make a first-team appearance while at Hillsborough, as was the case when he arrived at Anfield in November 1994.




azinorum -> RE: Anfield Forever - the Scouse corner (1/16/2007 11:13:57 AM)

Liverpool takeover unlikely to be completed until February
dpa German Press Agency
Published: Tuesday January 16, 2007

London- The takeover of Liverpool by Dubai International Capital may not be completed until the beginning of February, according to reports in the British media Tuesday.
Although there is not believed to be any specific problem beyond the complicated nature of the due diligence procedure, several media outlets quoted a source close to the club warning of the probable delay.

"Due diligence is continuing and going very well but no formal offer can be made until that is completed," the source was quoted as saying.

"Everything is on track and everyone is working towards completing the process by the end of the month.

"Speculation that a board meeting was being held on Tuesday to finalise matters is inaccurate."

The news will come as a blow to those who hoped the 450-million pound (883-million dollar) takeover might release significant funds for signings in the January transfer window.




azinorum -> RE: Anfield Forever - the Scouse corner (1/16/2007 11:21:14 AM)

BELLAMY: WATFORD WIN IS WHAT WE NEEDED
Steve Hunter 16 January 2007

Craig Bellamy said it was important for Liverpool to bounce back to winning ways against Watford and insisted there is still a lot to play for this season.
 
While the Welsh international admitted it was disappointing to lose the two cup matches against ****nal he still feels the Reds' Premiership form shows that Liverpool are progressing well.

Bellamy also feels the reaction that followed the cup defeats was a little over the top but said the team responded in the right way by letting their football do the talking on the pitch at Watford.

"I'm lucky in a way, because that kind of reaction isn't new to me,” claims Bellamy. "Whenever we lost at Newcastle it was a bit similar.

"There were certain people who always liked to whip it up after a defeat, but nowhere near to the same extent you seem to get at Liverpool. I'm used to this at a big club, and you learn quickly as a player to just think about getting on with the next game and make sure you perform as well as possible. Fortunately, that's what we did against Watford.

"People quickly forget how well we've done in the league in the last few months. We've only lost once, and you've also got to look at what happened last week and say that although it’s not good to lose to anyone, it was ****nal who beat us. They are a top side, not mugs.

"We've gone out to a team that could easily go on and win those two competitions, so disappointing as it was to all of us, sometimes you have to just say they were the better side over the two games.

"We knew we needed a performance like we showed at Watford, and the formation worked really well. To be fair, the first 15 minutes were scrappy, but when we got our chances we were able to build from there.

"We had to adapt to three up front, and maybe that meant we started a bit slowly, but after that we were always in control. It was bit different, but we've got quality players here who can adapt when needed."




azinorum -> RE: Anfield Forever - the Scouse corner (1/17/2007 5:48:20 AM)

Can Rafa Benitez win Liverpool the Premier League?
Wed, Jan 17, 07 06:24

The Anfield success machine is three or four quality players short of competing with Manchester United and Co.

I raise this question as Liverpool are now in the season a lot of us thought would be the one which would see us making a strong challenge for the prize we want the most.


Well, we are in January and are 14 points off the pace, which is too big a gap to claw back. The reasons we are in this position are down to the board and the manager. After last season, Rafa Benitez identified we needed more width and pace so he set about looking for players. I believe he identified the calibre of player he needed but was not backed financially  so had to settle for lower quality imports.

Due to lack of money he has bought these players whom I believe will never help Liverpool win the league. Jermaine Pennent, Mark Gonzalez, Boudewijn Zenden, Fabio Aurelio to name but a few. I will put this point to you fans out there. If  Alex Ferguson, Jose Mourinho, ****ne Wenger and Benitez sat down together to play a card game and used players instead of cash, Benitez would only be able to gamble with Steven Gerrard, Craig Bellamy and Xabi Alonso as his other players are not good enough to get into the other managers' teams.

Ferguson (much as I hate to say it) is the most successful manager in the league and even he tried to see if he could get away with signing cheaper players (Eric Djemba Djemba, Kleberson, etc) and they were not good enough. So he had to go back to spending bigger to obtain better quality.

Don't get me wrong, the players we have will get you a top four finish, maybe even win a cup - but they will never win the league over 38 games. We are a team that lack pace all over the park. Without pace you will always find it hard to hurt top-quality teams, hence our lack of victories in the league against the top three.

So I say until Benitez, Rick Parry and David Moores see the real picture and address it, we will stay as frustrated as we are now. We are just three or four quality signings away from challenging for the league - but we need to spend proper money to obtain that calibre of player.




azinorum -> RE: Anfield Forever - the Scouse corner (1/17/2007 5:49:41 AM)

On this day in Liverpool history - 17th January

A treble for the King
Kenny Dalglish scored a hat-trick on this day in 1978 as we won 3-1 at Wrexham in a Fifth Round League Cup tie. We went all the way to the Final that season, for the first time, where we lost to Nottingham Forest after a replay. Phil Thompson debuted his dodgy perm in this game!

Babbel on his way
Seven years ago today, Markus Babbel signed a pre-contract agreement to join the reds from Bayern München that summer. He became a vital member of the treble-winning team, until he was struck down by Guillain-Barré syndrome.

A thousand up
We played our 1,000th League game on this day in 1925, with Frank Roberts scoring four times for Manchester City as they trounced us 5-0 at Maine Road. Our other two meetings with City on this day in history both resulted in 1-0 away wins. Ian Rush struck at Maine Road twenty years ago today, while we were beaten at Anfield in 1953.

Jonah’s farewell
Paul Jones played his second and final reds game three years ago today as we lost 2-1 at Tottenham Hotspur. A Harry Kewell strike was not enough to give us any points after Igor Bišcan had given away a penalty, netted by Robbie Keane, and a second Spurs goal from Helder Postiga, his only Premiership goal.

Happy birthdays
Ex-reds reserve defender Frode Kippe turns 29 today. He made just two first-team appearances while at Anfield, both from off the bench in the Worthington Cup, and is now back with Lillestrøm in his native Norway.

Defender Arnaud Bühler is 22 today. He apparently signed for the reds in summer 2003, but is currently playing for Sochaux-Montbéliard, having joined them from Swiss side FC Aarau in June 2005.

Tiny’s last goal
Centre-half Tom ‘Tiny’ Bradshaw netted his fourth and final reds goal on this day in 1934, a late leveller in our FA Cup Third Round replay at Fulham. Alf Hanson had also scored as the game ended 2-2 after ninety minutes, with Syd Roberts grabbing the extra-time winner.

Big Cup win
We thumped the Gunners 4-1 at Highbury in a First Round replay on this day in 1923, after the first game at Anfield had ended goalless four days earlier. Harry Chambers bagged a brace, with Donald Mackinlay converting a penalty and Dick Johnson also on target, while reds keeper Elisha Scott saved a spot-kick from Robert Turnbull.

Bye-bye Dio-Dio
Four years ago today, Bernard Diomède joined AC Ajaccio on loan, two and a half years and just five appearances after signing from Auxerre for £3m.

Derby despair
Everton left Anfield with a 2-1 Wartime League win on this day in 1914, with Arthur Metcalf grabbing our consolation.

Joy against the Blades
We have twice faced Sheffield United in First Division matches on this day in history, without being beaten. Tom Miller and Harry Lewis netted as we won 2-0 at Anfield in 1920, while we were held to a goalless draw at Bramall Lane on this day in 1976.

Tommy’s run
Keeper Tommy Lawrence played in his 116th consecutive League appearance on this day in 1970, with Chris Lawler notching in a 1-1 draw against West Bromwich Albion at Anfield. He then lost his place to Ray Clemence.

Steven and Luis honoured
Steven Gerrard and Luis García were both named in the prestigious UEFA team of 2005 after attracting the most votes in their respective position, with Jamie Carragher just missing out.

Boss against boss
Future reds boss Don Welsh played as England beat Scotland 3-0 in a Wartime international at Wembley Stadium on this day in 1942. The Scottish line-up included reds half-back Matt Busby and Bill Shankly.

Djibril on target
Future red Djibril Cissé struck on his debut for France Under-20’s six years ago today as they beat Yugoslavia 2-0 in a friendly at Clairefontaine. Grégory Vignal also won his first cap at this level.




azinorum -> RE: Anfield Forever - the Scouse corner (1/17/2007 5:53:13 AM)

RIISE: MIDFIELDER WILL GIVE US A BOOST
Jimmy Rice 17 January 2007

John Arne Riise claims the imminent return of Momo Sissoko will give the Reds a huge boost in their pursuit of Champions League and Premiership success.
 
Sissoko, who has not played since dislocating his shoulder against Birmingham on November 8, has earmarked the Merseyside derby at Anfield in just over two weeks for his comeback.

And Riise said: "Before he got injured he was maybe our best player. He is so hard to play against because he never stops running and never stops being at your heels.

"The only thing missing is him getting a goal! We all hope he gets one soon. The amount of work he does for the team is very important for us. If he's back then it will boost the team a lot."




azinorum -> RE: Anfield Forever - the Scouse corner (1/17/2007 10:42:53 AM)

Croatian ace interests Reds    Wed, Jan 17 2007 14:24

Shakhtar Donetsk coach Mircea Lucescu claims Liverpool are one of handful of clubs interested in signing Croatia midfielder Dario Srna.

The 24-year-old, who was believed to have been the subject of a Liverpool bid last summer, played for his country at the World Cup and has spent the last four years with Shakhtar having started his career with Hadjuk Split.

Srna is seen as the possible solution to the Reds right-sided problems, heightened by the recent injuries to Luis Garcia and Mark Gonzalez.

Shakhtar Donetsk coach Mircea Lucescu revealed: "There have been a number of clubs who have shown interest in Srna; Liverpool, PSG and Monaco. All those clubs must realise that the asking price is ?10million.

"Had such a player featured in any of the top five European leagues he would have cost at least ?15million."

Meanwhile on the outgoing side of things, Reds youngster Adam Hamill is to join Dunfermline on loan until the end of the season. The midfielder is yet to make a first-team start for Liverpool but we gain some much needed experience with the SPL strugglers.




azinorum -> RE: Anfield Forever - the Scouse corner (1/17/2007 10:50:38 AM)

KUYT: I WANT TO DO A CROUCH
Jimmy Rice 17 January 2007

Dirk Kuyt claims he is desperate to emulate strike-partner Peter Crouch when it comes to scoring spectacular goals.
 
The Dutchman admits he was surprised to see such a tall player net goals like the scissor kicks against Galatasaray and Bolton. And now he wants a piece of the action himself.

"When you are so tall with such long legs it's unbelievable that Crouchy can score those kind of goals," Kuyt told LFC Magazine.

"They were amazing and he showed the world that the first time wasn't a fluke by doing it again. I scored with a scissor kick during my time at Feyenoord and hopefully can do it here too."

Kuyt, who's bagged eight goals so far this term, also revealed he is confident of becoming the 20-goal a season frontman Liverpool fans have been craving.

"I think I can reach that target. For the last five seasons I've scored at least 20 goals. I know Holland is different to the Premiership but I still believe I can reach that again.

"I've never been the type of player who says at the start of the season that I'll score 30 goals. My aims are always to win trophies and if you do that then it usually means you score goals along the way."




azinorum -> RE: Anfield Forever - the Scouse corner (1/17/2007 10:52:38 AM)

XABI: OUR HEARTS ARE WITH LUIS
Jimmy Rice 17 January 2007

Xabi Alonso has spoken of his distress at seeing countryman Luis Garcia sidelined for up to six months.
 
The midfielder watched from the bench as Garcia ruptured the anterior cruciate ligament in his right knee against ****nal last week.

"I'm sorry for him, it's a big shame. Of course he has all the support of the club and every one of his teammates," said Alonso.

"I spoke with him before he had his surgery and also after it. Everything has gone really well and now he will be at home in Barcelona for a few days before he can start physiotherapy.

"The moment he knew it was the cruciate ligament he was down but he is a positive guy. He always tries to have a smile on his face and so now already he is really focussed on his recovery.

"It's a major loss both for him and for the team."




azinorum -> RE: Anfield Forever - the Scouse corner (1/18/2007 4:08:46 AM)

The Squarefootball 'It'll Never Happen' Game: Liverpool vs Chelsea

The Liverpool versus Chelsea clash on Saturday brings with it a lot of baggage; and so to help you through the game here is a cut-out-and-keep guide to the match with a simple game to keep you occupied during the dull bits. How to play is simple enough, glance at the potential scoring opportunities and try to predict how many points you will get - and then see how close you get during the game. Alternatively play in a group by using the age-old bagsie methos where the highest score wins - but every event has to be baggsied.

(10) Lifelong Red Apollo Creed to be introduced to the crowd before the game. Creed dances around Jose, shadow-boxing and shouting 'you next Jose, you next' before being squashed by a powerful Russian who never speaks.

(2) Steven Gerrard threatening row Z and a commentator recalling shots from that distance that went in in 'recent cup finals'

(1) Ricardo Carvalho opening his arms and doing his 'awww ref, I never touched him' thing after clattering into Alonso.

(1) Jermaine Pennant beating his man and not sending the cross into the crowd.

(2) Frank Lampard scores with a free-kick that deflects off at least two home players

(3) A Jermain Pennant goal assist

(2) Didier Drogba performing a restrained goal celebration.

(3) Any shot on goal that isn't immediately followed by a 'reaction shot' of the attacking team's bench.

(10) If Chelsea lose Jose Mourinho saying 'United missed a big, big chance in not playing today - they are still only six points clear, but if they had played they could be nine points clear'.

(3) Benitez and Mourinho chatting amiably before the game but refusing to shake hands afterwards.

(5) A 6-6 draw (judging by the state of both side's defences). All six Chelsea goals deflected in off Jamie Carragher after tame Frank Lampard shots.

(2) John Terry warming up two hours before the match in pointless Ellery Hanley-style will-he/won't-he play charade.

(1) Splinter-collecting post-match reaction by Nigel Spackman

(1) First example of Mourinho turning puce

(1) Each laconic arms out shrug by Benitez

(5) On the bench, Bellamy turns to Crouch and smiles at 3-0 to Chelsea

(2) Every camera shot of the two managers where the commentator discusses the distance between them

(5) Any attempt to quote Shakespeare by a commentator - even if you merely suspect it.

(1) Every mention of Roman Abramovich

(1) Every mention of the 2005 Champions' League semi-final second leg

(10) Ashley Cole being cheered by the home fans

(1) Every suggestion that Alex Ferguson may have just 'spilt some red wine' as a result of a Chelsea goal

(1) Every suggestion that Alex Ferguson will be cheering as a result of a Liverpool goal

(1) In fact, every reference to Ferguson

(2) Any attempt to show/discuss some kind of league table 'as things stand' because no-one can wait a few minutes for the real one




azinorum -> RE: Anfield Forever - the Scouse corner (1/18/2007 4:13:02 AM)

Liverpool's Pennant rejects West Ham
tribalfooball.com - January 17, 2007

Liverpool winger Jermaine Pennant has rejected a move to West Ham United.

Hammers boss Alan Curbishley made an enquiry to Liverpool chief Rafa Benitez for the former England Under-21 winger with a view to a £7million bid.

But the Reds knocked back Curbishley's interest and Pennant is also said to be determined to make an impact at Liverpool after a disappointing start to his Anfield career.

Pennant joins Shaun Wright-Phillips, Freddie Ljungberg, Ashley Young, Scott Parker and Joey Barton among the long list of failed bids by Curbishley




azinorum -> RE: Anfield Forever - the Scouse corner (1/18/2007 5:01:01 AM)

KUYT EYES LONG LIVERPOOL STAY

Dutch striker Dirk Kuyt has hinted that he'd like to stay at Liverpool for the rest of his career.
The former Feyenoord hitman, signed for £10million last summer, has notched eight goals since his move to Merseyside.

And after settling into Premiership life impressively, he's looking forward to a long stay at Anfield.
The 26-year-old told Liverpool's official website: "You never know what is going to happen in football but it would be perfect if I could stay here for a -long, long time.

"I'm really happy here and I'm not the kind of player who wants to move to a new club every two years. I'm at the best club in England and one of the biggest in the world so why would I want anything else?
"It's also great for me that I have such a good relationship with the supporters. The respect we have for each other means a lot.




azinorum -> RE: Anfield Forever - the Scouse corner (1/18/2007 8:12:06 AM)

Preview of Liverpool v Chelsea Clash
If you remember back to the last time Chelsea played Liverpool, the goal that separated the two sides was a wonderful twist and volley by Didier Drogba back on September 17th. Liverpool dominated most of the first half and hit the crossbar, but their finishing wasn't clinical in front of goal.

In some ways, not much has changed since that match. Chelsea's form is still way below par of what they achieved last year. Liverpool is still suffering from the same problems of not scoring when it matters.

But for Saturday's early kickoff (which you can join in on during the 7:45am ET EPL Talk Chat), this match means much more than earlier in the season. A loss for Chelsea combined with a Man United win at the Emirates could write off Chelsea's chances of winning the Premiership title three years in a row. A loss for Liverpool and a win by ****nal against Man United would push the Reds down into fourth place and would give ****nal the confidence to solidify their third spot over Liverpool.

The key for Liverpool this Saturday will depend on whether Jermaine Pennant will play on the right wing. And if he does, whether he can stretch Chelsea's width opening up spaces near the middle to allow Dirk Kuyt, Craig Bellamy or Peter Crouch more room to score. If you remember from the Chelsea against Liverpool match at Stamford Bridge earlier in the season, the Blues had a very difficult time closing down Pennant who was a constant threat during the first half.

Speaking of Liverpool, I don't always agree with Rafa Benitez's team selection and formation when the Reds play Chelsea. In previous matches, he's resorted to a 4-5-1 formation which stifles Chelsea's midfield but allows for few attacking options for Liverpool. I feel Liverpool would be better off playing a 4-4-2 and playing more adventurous against a Chelsea side which is feeling pretty vulnerable right now.

Chelsea could put this match out of Liverpool's reach within the first 30 minutes if they select the right formation and players. I'd prefer to see Chelsea storming out of the gates and playing the type of football they're most dangerous at -- attacking with venom and using the wings to open up defenses.

With Drogba as centre forward, Arjen Robben on the left wing and Shaun Wright-Philips on the right, this will allow Chelsea to pull apart the Liverpool defense which has looked particularly weak in matches against ****nal and Everton (earlier in the season). Chelsea knows it must win this match to have a chance to lift the trophy this season. A more conservative formation of 4-5-1, which they've been playing for much of the season, could self-destruct against a Liverpool side.

Prediction: Liverpool 0 - 2 Chelsea




azinorum -> RE: Anfield Forever - the Scouse corner (1/18/2007 2:38:51 PM)

XABI ALONSO: THE BIG INTERVIEW
Jimmy Rice 18 January 2007

Xabi Alonso talks to liverpoolfc.tv about life at Melwood, his thoughts on Player of the Season and why he tries to avoid Momo Sissoko on the pitch…

What's the mood in the camp right now, Xabi?

It was important to have a good win after two defeats at home. It was quite a strange few days beforehand because we didn't expect to lose two home games against the same team in the cups. Suddenly it changed everything. We needed a convincing win away and we performed well. We did what we had to do and in the end we won easily.

Were you surprised when Rafa picked three strikers against Watford?

I wasn't because we were working on it during the week. Also, at Wigan we played with three centre-backs and three strikers, and it worked quite well. It's an interesting tactic to play.

Does Rafa ever surprise you with his selections and formations?

Yes, you never know what he's going to do. You can't be 100 per cent sure he will do anything, but that is working very well.

Obviously the Watford game helped erase memories of those ****nal defeats, but one thing the fans will never forget, certainly from the FA Cup game, is the atmosphere. What did the players make of it?

It was really special. The way the fans showed their support to the 96 people who died was amazing. They carried out their protest in front of the BBC cameras live for all the country to see, which was the best way. During those six minutes we had very strange feelings. I couldn't speak with my teammates because it was so noisy, and I think it was almost like the players were respecting those six minutes before they started the game.

Do you get anything like that in Spain?

No, nothing like that. The mosaic was pretty well done! It was a strong and determined protest.

Unfortunately, those games were also responsible for Luis Garcia's injury. He'll be out for six months; how is he and have you spoken to him?

I'm sorry for him, it's a big shame. Of course he has all the support of the club and every one of his teammates. I spoke with him before he had his surgery and also after it. Everything has gone really well and now he will be at home in Barcelona for a few days before he can start physiotherapy. He is out for the long-term but he has to cope with that, we are all professionals. It's a major loss both for him and for the team. The moment he knew it was the cruciate ligament he was down but he is a positive guy. He always tries to have a smile on his face and so now already he is really focused on his recovery.

I think you had a long-term injury in the Champions League season; what advice would you give Luis?

I think he has to be focused on doing things properly. He shouldn't rush too much because that's not always the best way. He needs to respect what his knee is saying to him.

How happy have you been with your own form this season?
 
I think if the team is playing well, we all feel better about our own performances. I've been feeling better in the last few weeks and I think there's been some good football. I've really enjoyed the past few months.

Do you have to adapt your game depending on whether you're playing in the middle with Stevie or Momo?

Yes, of course. Each of us has our own qualities but you know it's going to be different playing with Steven, Momo or with Bolo also. With Steven, he has such power to get in the box and to run all over, so sometimes you need to let him have the freedom to go forward. But then that also means he can get back as soon as possible. I think the team has balance and is working well at the moment. Me and Steven are feeling good playing together and playing good football. It depends on the game but with Momo he's all over the pitch, so I try to go where he is not!

Your dad Periko was a midfielder too, wasn't he? Was he similar in style to you?

He was a central midfielder who was really strong and powerful. He had a good shot.

He won La Liga twice with Real Sociedad; does that make you even more determined to get a few league titles under your belt?
 
No, not because my dad won them. He was privileged to win two straight titles but for me, when you win a few things, that's what makes you want to get the Premiership. The league becomes the one you want because that is the one which proves you are the best over a whole season.

Are you better than him?

[Laughs] Different. I don't like to compare!

Did he encourage you and your brother Mikel to play football?

Not encourage, but he has always supported us. After he retired he was a manager, so football has always been there, but he wanted us to concentrate on our studies as well as sport because you never know what will happen. We didn't need to be encouraged to play football anyhow!

Does he ever ring you with advice after watching you play?

No, not really advice. Obviously we speak about the club and the games. There are always comments but it's not like, You must do this, or, You must do that. He will just tell me to be professional and committed with what I'm doing. That's the best advice you can get.

I don't know if you have any plans to be a father, but if and when you have kids, will you encourage them to play football?
 
I would like kids in the future but not at the moment. I'd like them to do what they want. It's always good to do some kind of sport and if they want to play football, obviously I would like that.

Moving on to life at Melwood and in Liverpool; we always ask the players to pick their LFC five-a-side team. Who'd be in yours?

[Long pause] Pepe, Sami, Stevie, Momo – is that all?

One more – are you not putting yourself in? Everyone else picks you…

[Laughs] Right: Pepe, Sami, Stevie, me and a striker. I will go for Luis.

Is there a Liverpool player you wouldn't fancy going into a tackle with?

Stephen Warnock. He is strong.

Who's the best player you've played alongside?

I would say Valeron in the Spanish team, he was brilliant. He was really shy but when he got on the pitch he'd do everything, so it was a pleasure to play with him. He was brilliant with the ball.

What kind of things do you do in your spare time?

We play so many games, so you just want to relax in your spare time. I try to enjoy the city. I'll go for a coffee or try to find new things. I always try to be interactive with the city and meet people. I read the paper too and look on the internet.

Which paper do you get?

The Times. I also try to go to the cinema.

Are you going to see Rocky?

I haven't seen it yet. The last one I saw was The Perfume and I've also seen James Bond. I go with my girlfriend. At the beginning I struggled a little with the English and I would have to get DVDs so I could have subtitles; but now I am confident going to the cinema.

Do you get to experience much of the nightlife in Liverpool?

There are a lot of places to go and not much time to enjoy them!

Which Liverpool players do you have in your mobile phone?

Most of them, I think.

Do the boys have a nickname for you?

In football, no. But with my mates, yes. It's Bone. It is a Basque thing but it doesn't really mean anything. There are 10 of us who are friends and each of us has a nickname that doesn't really mean anything.

Are you friends with any footballers outside of LFC?

Yes, of course. I'm friends with Arteta and Fabregas. Obviously it's more with the Spanish lads I knew from La Liga and the national team.

Is it right you persuaded one of your Spanish mates to come play in England?

Juan Ugarte? Yes, we've known each other for a long time because he was at school with me, though he was in my brother's class because he's one year older. They always played together, and with me sometimes. He ended up going for a trial at Wrexham and did really well, but he's not playing at the moment because he's injured. He often comes to Anfield – he's a Liverpool supporter.

How does the Premiership compare with La Liga?
 
At the moment I'd say the Premiership is better. I really enjoy playing here because the relaxed atmosphere during the week means you can train and be focused on what you're doing at Melwood, which doesn't always happen in Spain. But then come the weekend it is the total opposite: the atmosphere and the stadiums are great, for me.

Any idea yet who you're going to vote for in Player of the Season?
I'll have to wait but at the moment I think Ronaldo is in good form and Giggs has played some of his best football.

I wanted to ask you about the Beckham transfer? Is that something you'd ever consider, going to the US?

For him, he's 31, so it could be a good change for him and his family. Why not? He's got a good contract, not bad money!

But do you see yourself staying at Liverpool long-term?
 
Yes, sure. At the moment I'm feeling really good. Sometimes I miss home. I've just been back for two days and you really enjoy it, but I feel very welcome here.

Obviously the Champions League draw means you'll return home again soon; how did you feel when Barca came out of the hat?

Excited. It's going to be a massive tie. We're looking forward to it, though we've got a few games coming up before.

Do you know any Barca players?

Yes. I have had a couple of texts from Puyol and Xavi. We are meeting soon with the national team, so I'm sure we'll chat about it. They are also looking forward to coming to play at Anfield. I am really struggling for tickets actually – everyone wants to come over! If we get a good result in Barcelona I think the second leg will be pretty special.

How have you got on against Barca in the past?

I've beaten them twice at home, one draw. I've always lost away!

Do you think we can win the Champions League again?

Why not? We have a lot of experience from what we did in 2005. But really we are not thinking about that. We have to play Barca and if we're lucky enough to progress, we'll take it step by step.

So you're not booking any holidays for the end of May yet?

[Laughs] No, no, definitely not!





azinorum -> RE: Anfield Forever - the Scouse corner (1/18/2007 2:41:32 PM)

The Ludicrous World of Football
David Beckham, the world’s best-paid sportsman. Or is that celebrity? This week, he claimed that he is going to America in order to raise the profile of the game over there, not for the money; well, I’m sure the game needs help in Africa too. Why didn’t he go there? Luckily, his farcical new deal stole the early-week headlines away from the ‘crisis’ which was stirring at Anfield, with shifty details of a rift between Benitez and the board leaking through after ****nal thrashed us in the two domestic cup competitions, on our own ground, within a matter of days. Now, Mourinho, the man who has delivered back-to-back titles since arriving at Chelsea, is being hideously undervalued by his club, who are forcing him and his ego out by not allowing him any money. The past week proves that seven days is a long time in football – and that we always need to take a step back before we judge or berate people for mistakes.

The fact that things change so hectically and frantically means that people are just as quick to demand heads on poles at any opportunity. A couple of weeks back, any suggestion that Mourinho would be leaving, or that Chelsea would ‘run out’ of (or refuse to supply) transfer funds would probably be easily dismissed. This week, both are real possibilities. Who’d have thought that Beckham would one day, still quite young in footballing terms, be playing for LA Galaxy, a team which played its inaugural match in the mid-90’s? Losing twice to ****nal and conceding 9 in the process was inconceivable. Benitez being on the end of extremely harsh criticism and headlines seemed remote last week, when our league form was looking exemplary. Things move so fast that we don’t even stop to think about them.

The disaster on Tuesday was pretty horrific. Saturday is best forgotten. Benitez’s mistakes were clear. Reina should have started both matches, but then the boss would not have kept his word. Our team on Tuesday was weak considering the Carling Cup was our final chance at silverware. Kids were put in there and they were out of their depth. Then, people compared our youth team with ****nal’s and understandably concluded that ours pales next to theirs.

But Rafa has been here only 3 years and Wenger has invested very heavily in foreign talents, buying out contracts and even being allowed £10 million for Theo. Our youth team is full of English Academy players and cheap foreign lads. Two first team players were injured the other night and Warnock bruised his ribs. What is Benitez had played other first team lads and they’d got injured, but we went through? As a result, our league form would suffer drastically. If we didn’t win the Cup, which was very possible, Benitez would get criticism. What if Alonso or Carragher got injured and missed the Barca game. Garcia, a cert to start that tie, is enough of a loss. Benitez tried to balance injury and victory in the least important competition, alongside the fact that we still have two to fight for. OK, the boss got it a bit wrong, but we must see how difficult his situation was on Tuesday night.

So pause, and just have a think before you start to turn against our boss. As I write this, we are hammering Watford. We need to keep that relationship strong between the fans, the team and the manager, because it is the key to our success in my opinion. In a week where plenty of weird stuff happened, our mini-crisis was insignificant, and the sooner we all forget it, the sooner we can move on and catch up with the dithering Chelsea.




azinorum -> RE: Anfield Forever - the Scouse corner (1/18/2007 3:08:48 PM)

PART ONE

Anfield Forever : Alan Edge presents the case against the move.
 
The arguments FOR leaving Anfield
The pro-movers' reasons for moving can be broadly summarised as follows:-

The arguments AGAINST leaving
Has the time come to move on?
Do we need a 70,000 capacity stadium?
Do we need to "compete" with Manchester United? If so, do we need a new 70,000 seater stadium to do that? What's more, can we afford it?
Can we expand at the current location ?
Are we being sentimental and emotional for wanting to stay?


 
Has the time come to move on?
"We need to move on."
 
A convenient catchphrase from the pro-move lobby within the club. One that invokes images of the go-getter; of thinking big and keeping one step ahead of the pack. Above all, of finally entering the Millennium.
"If you stand still you move backwards."
 
And yet another one from the same stockpile. At once, Liverpool fans worldwide are being persuaded into believing a move to a new stadium is a panacea for any ills we may have suffered throughout the past decade. It is almost as if we are courting failure if we don't move.
 
This, as far as we at A4E are concerned, is the core confusion and misrepresentation at the heart of the pro-movement campaign. Muddled thinking. Ill-founded ideals. Dare we go so far as to say deception too? At heart, anyway, a paucity of logic and a blandness to chill the souls of those who really do bother to think the whole thing through.
 
The reality, of course, is startlingly different. A brand new stadium guarantees nothing. It is a hollow undertaking to the fans. A promise of goods to be delivered that is actually more likely to fail than it is to succeed.
 
In football, success is not about new stadia or expansion or even expansion of existing stadia. It is about good management and good players. By all means the two concepts can be fused, if appropriate and timely, with the requisite stadium redevelopment. However, for anybody to project a new stadium as pivotal to any success story we crave means they have taken their eye off the ball. If indeed it was ever focussed. Scrutinised, such dogma is as misleading as it is preposterous.
 
Witness the resurrection of this club's fortunes this past year or so. To what precisely do we owe this resurgence? The prospect of a sparkling new stadium as expounded by the likes of Rick Parry? Or Gerard Houllier's expert guidance and the emergence of genuine talent and sensible transfer dealing at our current home?
 
Notwithstanding such upturns in fortune, we must also ask ourselves just what it is that a football club is about at the end of the day. Well, we'll tell you. At the end of EVERY day, a football club is about heritage, continuity and tradition. Ultimately, all else we hold dear about a club stems from the base those ingredients provide. That also includes any great players and managers and any success that may ensue. Gerard Houllier and Phil Thompson included.
 
The "moving on", about which we have been consistently regaled, is actually a betrayal of the core values these latest saviours represent. The current boardroom custodians of our heritage - which we need to remember is all such people as Rick Parry are - have neither the right nor the mandate to enact a move from our home. Unless faced with no other possible choice, a move should NOT even be considered. Apart from being too drastic, irreversible and risk-laden it is completely unnecessary, as we shall go on to demonstrate.

Do we need a 70,000 capacity stadium?
 
Whatever else is said, it is clearly evident that Liverpool Football Club DO need to increase capacity from the current 45,500. This current capacity is insufficient for the most attractive fixtures and affords little pricing flexibility other than for the less attractive games.
 
That said, the crucial questions still need to be asked - DO WE ACHIEVE THIS INCREASED CAPACITY BY MOVING TO A NEW 70,000 STADIUM AND IF WE DO SO CAN WE ATTRACT 70,000 FOR EVEN THE MOST PRESTIGIOUS FIXTURES LET ALONE ON A REGULAR BASIS? IF NOT, THEN WHAT INCREASED CAPACITY IS ACTUALLY NEEDED?

Let us first look at the pro-movers' representation of the current demand situation:-
 
We have an average league crowd of around 44,000 in a ground holding only 45,500. We also have a further 10-14,000 on the season ticket waiting list champing at the bit to get in.
 
The clear insinuation here is that if the aforesaid 44,000 are not quite all season ticket holders then they certainly represent the guaranteed minimum base upon which we need to build for the future.
 
Add the 10-14,000 waiting list to the 44,000 and that gives a virtually guaranteed catchment of 54-58,000. Throw in a further 2,000 -12,000 casual visitors depending on the attractiveness of the particular game and there is your magical 60-70,000 regular attendance.
 
Many Reds appear to have bought this convenient idealogy. Local "luminaries" such as the Liverpool Echo's Ken Rogers and Tommy Smith, definitely have. What's more they have expounded on it in print. Repeatedly.




azinorum -> RE: Anfield Forever - the Scouse corner (1/18/2007 3:10:35 PM)

PART 2

Needless to say, the facts are significantly different. Alarmingly so:-
 
Liverpool Football Club currently restricts its season ticket holders to around 29,000. The season ticket waiting list is claimed to be 10-14,000. It is suspected that the real waiting list figure is closer to half that due to multiple applications, "officially unsanctioned" ticket inheritance arrangements, long-term drop-outs etc. Indeed, Rick Parry himself has recently hinted at it being nearer half the originally perpetrated figure. Discounting away supporters the rest of the regular 44,000 attendance is composed of around 12,000 specific match day ticket applications.
 
[Incidentally, it should be stated here that the reason for the club restricting the number of season ticket holders and maximising the match-day applications is to balance the make-up of the clientele attending Anfield thereby satisfying the lucrative day-tripper following which in turn helps to sustain club shop turnover.]
 
Back to the argument, the crucial point as far as the optimum capacity issue is concerned, is that the 12,000 match day applications effectively account for the whole of the season ticket waiting list demand.
YES, you heard right.
 
In other words for a run-of-the-mill league fixture there is NO FURTHER DEMAND OF ANY REAL SIGNIFICANCE to be tapped into. Thus, the forty odd thousand that is currently Liverpool's average attendance happens also to be - moreorless - Liverpool's maximum regular attendance OTHER THAN FOR the most attractive fixtures.
 
This submission is borne out both HISTORICALLY and by reference to THIS SEASON'S ATTENDANCES at the aforesaid run-of-the-mill league games and also cup games where the possession of a season ticket is not required.
 
The highest average attendance in our club's entire history is around 48,000. That came at a time when our club was eminently successful and capacity was nudging 56,750. That record average comprised several games at - or almost at - capacity such as Everton, United, Chelsea, Leeds but reveals several lesser fixtures struggling to break past 38,000.
 
Correspondingly, most of the less attractive league fixtures THIS season have failed to attract full capacities whilst attendances for cup-ties - apart from the most attractive European ties and the finely balanced domestic Semi-Final against Palace with their large away support - have been SIGNIFICANTLY below capacity.
 
Staying on this point, the attraction of European games is often cited as a reason for a significantly greater capacity. Yet, the reality does not bear this out. Apart from the recent Roma and Barcelona ties the attendance at every European tie this past decade or so has fallen significantly below capacity or has barely reached capacity. And, contrary to unsubstantiated rumours, even for the Roma and Barcelona ties it is unlikely whether there remained that much unquenched demand - certainly from supporters who could by any stretch of the imagination be branded as core supporters. And taking this point even further how many such fly-by-night supporters will pledge their support if such fixtures were ever to become run-of-the-mill in the Champions League as opposed to one-off mouthwatering affairs?
 
All this prompts the question - if we just about manage to pack in forty odd thousand at Anfield on such occasions how on earth would we ever hope to fill a 70,000 stadium, particularly once the novelty of such a prestigious move has evaporated?
 
We would justifiably ask. Where are all these mythical legions of supporters to be found? The ones cited by so many as the reason behind the move? The ones who so vociferously support the idea of the new stadium and who vow so adamantly that they will fill it?
 
We must stress that we are not setting out deliberately to goad here. The fact is hard-hitting, soul-searching questions simply demand to be asked AND ANSWERED before the club begins even to entertain the possibility of quitting our beloved home.
 
We at A4E have been Anfield regulars for many many years. We've seen the fickle souls come and go. Surely what we are saying does at least prompt the need for more serious thought than has to date been given into the reasoning behind the move and the assessment of our realistic regular active drawing power.




azinorum -> RE: Anfield Forever - the Scouse corner (1/18/2007 3:12:01 PM)

PART 3

If at some such games we sometimes struggle to amass 20,000 of our own kind - such as has been the case so often these past few years - how the hell on earth can we then seriously look in the eye the prospect of a stadium with almost four times that capacity?
 
Let's be brutally honest, it simply doesn't stack up.
 
And for those who point in mitigation to the difficulty in obtaining tickets for ordinary league games, we would say this. The reasons behind such failure often have more to do with Anfield's restricted ticket CREDIT CARD HOTLINE capacity rather than its restricted GROUND capacity. It is important the two problems are not confused. Other than the most popular fixtures, prompt postal application or personal attendance at the ground invariably produce successful applications for MOST games. Tickets are often still available right up to the day of the match.
 
There is another interesting paradox to be considered here.
 
If Liverpool were to move to a 70,000 seater stadium, the demand for season tickets would in all likelihood be significantly reduced. How many ordinary fans would bother forking out £400-00 or £500-00 up-front for a season ticket when guaranteed entry without one? After all, what else is a season ticket purchased for? Essentially it is for the guarantee of admission. So what happens? Supply of seats goes up. Demand for season tickets goes down. You pick and choose your matches and obtain a ticket on the day or pay at the gate. And for cup finals? Well, simply take your chances in the same way as everybody else will likely end up doing.
 
So in that event, how many WITHOUT season tickets will then turn up on a cold slushy New Years Day to admire the silky attraction of Southampton? Would the 38,000 actually managed this season be repeated or would a sub 30,000 crowd have been more likely? It is another crucial question that needs addressing by Rick Parry and the pro-movers.
 
Of course, one of the misconceptions in this debate is that we have an active support - ie those that actually go as opposed to simply making loud and concerted noises about going - to equate with that of Manchester United.
 
People watch United comfortably filling their 67,000 capacity stadium for every league game and, more pertinently, for every domestic cup and Champion's League fixture. They then automatically assume that we could do the same if we possessed a stadium of comparable capacity.
 
Sadly, as much as it might hurt us to say, that is simply not the case.
 
United have since the war been able to boast a significantly bigger following than ourselves. Whilst we may lay claim to be quite comfortably the second biggest, United regrettably are out on their own.
 
Now it is true that part of this does arise from their greater ground capacity. There are, though, other more significant factors at work.
 
Contrary to the popular perception, the reason for United's greater volume of active support is not down to busloads of Cockneys and Devonians. Nor is it down to the hordes of native Mancunians or Salfordonians either.
 
No, the reason why United have no trouble whatsoever filling their stadium on a regular basis is because they just so happen to be at the heart of the most fervent footballing hotbed in the entire world. The inestimable football devotees of the North West and Lancashire look inwards to Manchester United as their favourite team. The North West represents United's hinterland. It is akin to the numerical support that Barcelona can draw upon in Catalonia. Or, we daresay, the carve-up of virtually ALL Scottish and Ulster support between Rangers and Celtic.
 
Only Merseyside, arguably THE most football-crazy part of the very same region, significantly bucks the distinctly United-flavoured Lancastrian trend.
 
None of this is easy for Liverpudlians to stomach. Unfortunately, it is the way it is. Whether we on Merseyside like it or not. Many vicarious followers our club may boast but when it comes down to getting actual bums on seats on a regular basis, United simply have a hell of a lot more bums. Fact!
Moving quickly on to the wider slightly longer term picture. It may currently be BOOM time for soccer. How long will it last, though? Even the most optimistic forecasts predict the vogue has reached its zenith in Europe.
 
Unfashionability will come. Sometime. De-gentrification will arrive. Sometime. The next recession, too. Sometime.
 
Let us not forget exactly what a recession is about. On Merseyside it will mean even larger chunks of the football loving population with no job, no money, no life. At such times £25 for a football match becomes somewhat beyond the compass of even the most fanatical Red. Back in the eighties amid such circumstances the odd game might just have been affordable. Nowadays? Forget it.




azinorum -> RE: Anfield Forever - the Scouse corner (1/18/2007 3:13:16 PM)

Part 4 (final)
 
Then there is the impact of Pay Per View and saturation TV coverage? Will the more lukewarm supporters simply drop the habit of trekking to the game with the armchair beckoning?
Such adverse impact on attendees has already been felt in Italy where clubs as prominent as Lazio and Juventus are flirting with reduced capacities to meet the special circumstances which PPV dictates.

When any or all of these factors come scything down across the game, will we then be able to achieve regular attendances of 45,000? Never mind 70,000?
Remember during the last recession our average home gates dropped as low as 33,000 and that at a time when we were European Champions.
The upshot of all this is that no matter how much we would wish to, we simply will NOT fill a 70,000 seater stadium on a regular basis. To those who proudly proclaim "BUILD IT AND THEY WILL COME", we say get real. Your assertion is unfounded. It is wishful thinking. We are not being negative here but the only evidence available tells us that attendances of such a size will not happen except POSSIBLY for those most prestigious of fixtures. And there is no historical precedent to suggest that even then they are likely to be realised.
What all this means is that the assertion that we are losing £600,000 per home game to Manchester United is unfounded. Even if we were to build a 70,000 seater stadium we would not fill it, so the fortnightly revenue shortfall would NOT BE BRIDGED in any case.
In reality, the citing of such a massive regular financial shortfall is simply another attempt at instilling fear amongst Reds about the inadequacy of our current home. The notion that we HAVE to move so as not to fall further behind United is at best nonsense. At worst it is insidious propaganda designed to delude.
We still concur that an increased capacity is a MUST. The new generation of younger Reds MUST be accommodated. However, any attempt to finance the development of a new 70,000 seater stadium is not only unnecessary but folly. We believe a capacity of around 57,000 will meet Liverpool's needs in all but the most exceptional circumstances. Those exceptional circumstances do not warrant taking the risks inherent in the move Rick Parry envisages for this club.
In stark contrast, the capacity we propose can be readily achieved at an expanded and improved Anfield for roughly 25% of the cost projected for a new 70,000 seater stadium at Stanley Park. Financial risk is minimised, demand is satisfied and we retain our home of 108 years.
Just who is speaking sense here? More pertinently, just who is courting ruination of our unique football club? We shall look closer at the financial picture in point 3.

3. Do we need to "compete" with Manchester United? If so, do we need a new 70,000 seater stadium to do that? What's more, can we afford it?

Clearly we do need to compete with Manchester United. In spite of the unprecedented season we are experiencing, United at present are still the team to beat. Whilst we do not necessarily see toppling them as our sole aim, it has to be, by definition, a priority. It does not mean, however, in any way, shape or form that we should ever contemplate emulating them. Indeed, real Liverpudlians should wince at any attempts for our club to ever become another version of them. Nonetheless, they have become the bench mark whether we like it or not.
The question remains, though. Will building a new stadium help to achieve such a goal?
The prima facie answer to this is that surely the increased revenue from an increased capacity will help.
That said, let us once again reiterate what we said earlier concerning the basic principle involved here. Our ability or otherwise to compete with United is NOT dependent upon the respective size of our grounds. FACT.
What transpires on the field of play is THE paramount concern and that is attributable to the respective abilities of the management and players. Good management and players bring about success. A big stadium does not guarantee either of those things. The alluring equation of BIGGER GROUND = MORE REVENUE = SUCCESS is no more than a soundbite without any substance or creedence.
If the size of your stadium was the criterion for success on the field of play then Queens Park, whose ground capacity once almost equalled the combined capacities of its two illustrious Glaswegian neighbours, would now be unrivalled in Scottish Football. Similarly Barcelona would have been more successful than Real Madrid. More pertinently, Anfield's relatively restricted capacity would have thwarted Liverpool's unprecedented success from the sixties right through to the nineties.
Clearly, whilst it is important that the size and quality of a club's stadium is reasonably consistent and commensurate with its stature as a football club - to pretend otherwise would be foolhardy - it is equally important to retain a sense of proportion and reality concerning its actual significance.
Crucially, too, the fame and repute of a stadium have a role to play in the overall equation. In that connection Anfield has few peers.
The actual facts of the matter is that Manchester United's recent success is down to factors which dwarf the significance of their ground capacity :-
a) the finest manager since the demise of our own managerial dynasty
b) a one million pound signing who dictated the destination of the Premier League title for 4 consecutive years
c) a youth policy second to none in Europe.

Neither Old Trafford's capacity nor the revenue ensuing from it have been what can be termed crucial to their success. A quick glance at comparable transfer expenditure at either end of the East Lancs Road bears that out. In the nineties decade Liverpool Football Club spent £20 million more than United on transfer fees. The distinction was that whilst United's was spent wisely on good players Liverpool's, essentially, was squandered. Compare the signings. Cantona, Irwin, and Kanchelskis for United. Stewart, Dicks and Walters for Liverpool. And that at a premium of around £5million! Need we go on? Because we could. Ad Infinitum. [Or should that be ad nauseum!]
Nor must we forget in all this the significance of ground capacity will continue to be undermined with the ever-diminishing role to be played in the future by gate revenue in any top football club's overall business strategy.
But all this aside. Let us now consider the actual economics of the situation; let us explore this increased wealth argument with a few numbers shall we?
Let us assume that the stadium together with its extensive infrastructure costs such as underground parking and massive retaining structures due to the hill location will cost £150 million to complete [this being Rick Parry's initial estimate].
It is anticipated this will be financed by loans from the banks and financial institutions [the source? - Rick Parry again - any murmurings of raising money by flotation having been admirably squashed some time ago by David Moores]. Given such a scenario, the banks will have FIRST CALL on any increased revenues until the loan is paid off.
Say, contrary to what we would term the realistic attendance expectations outlined above, we did after all manage to achieve an average attendance of 65,000. And let's say each of these hardy souls will spend £30 a game on tickets/food/merchandise etc. Over 25 games a season this would generate an additional annual income over and above the current one of some £15 million.
If, as would seem reasonable to assume, this additional income were to be used to pay off the debt, then it would take 10 years to discharge that debt. That, of course, is without taking cognizance of the interest that would in reality be added to the equation! So, in simple terms and taking an extremely optimistic view of both attendances and financial charges, by about the year 2015 we should be in the market with our arch enemy for the likes of Ruud Van Kneesgotbetter.
We ask you. Are we all prepared to wait that long for the financial advantages of the new stadium to kick in, if at all?
The point is Rick Parry's assertion that the new stadium wouldn't affect team building was certainly cleverly worded - BUT THAT MYTHICAL ADDITIONAL REVENUE FROM THE BIGGER STADIUM WON'T PROVIDE ANY EXTRA MONEY FOR AT LEAST 10 YEARS!
We need to be asking ourselves what our fiercest rivals will be doing in the intervening period WITHOUT quite such massive financial burdens around their necks?
There are other salient points, too, which fly in the face of the logic of the move.
Gate receipts have and will increasingly become less and less important to football clubs. More money is generated by sponsorship along with merchandise and television than Joe Public forking out his £25 or £30 a game. Indeed, could it be in a decade or so's time when EVERY game is televised that the clubs and TV stations will actually be having to fork out for the likes of us to go and provide the atmospheres for which they will then be so desperate!?
On the face of it the plans for a super stadium may seem to some to be the answer to our aspirations to compete with Manchester United. As we continue to delve that little bit below the superficial gloss of the package on the table we can begin to see that the reality of destroying and starting anew is perhaps not all it may be purported to be.
On the contrary what we need to be doing is cashing in more on what we already have. Exploiting our own stadium's renown. Extolling the uniqueness of the brand name of ANFIELD which most other clubs would die for.
This is currently a major shortcoming in our club's armoury and a distinct failing in its current strategy. Moving from the most legendary club stadium in the world to some lesser form of Nou Camp or Bernebau will do nothing but exacerbate that shortcoming. Down the years we have had teams and pressmen from all over Europe coming and marveling at Anfield. If not at the structure itself then at the fact that they were stood inside such a legendary edifice. Theirs was truly a sense of awe at what they beheld. Does not that sort of marveling by others at our heritage tell us something?

4. Can we expand at the current location ?


Back in October 1999, it was suggested that we could readily expand the existing ground to 65,000 as part of the Anfield Plus Initiative which encompassed the wholesale regeneration of both the Anfield stadium and the immediate Anfield area.

Given sensible and sensitive negotiations with the local residents and Council, there is NO REASON on god's earth why a resurrection of this scheme cannot be realised for the GOOD of ALL concerned parties. IT MAKES SENSE FOR EVERYBODY SO WHY SHOULDN'T IT BE RE-SURFACED?
Any architect or engineer with imagination would relish the challenge of expanding and developing one of the most famous and historic club stadiums in the world. Of course, it is achievable. Of course, there are ways and means of doing it. Perhaps things could begin with an independent survey of the current site and some detailed clarification on the status of the Anfield Plus Initiative to establish precisely what the alternatives are that are available.
And even if the full Regeneration scheme is not immediately viable, then contrary to some of the viewpoints that have been bandied around, there IS still room to expand at Anfield. Piecemeal expansion it might be but hasn't that always been the case with existing football grounds? An expanded Anfield Road and Main Stand beckon enticingly. And what of the Kop itself? Double tiered with 3000 additional seats as was one of the original proposals considered. Together such imaginative developments could take the capacity towards 60,000.
Over to you Rick Parry.

5. Are we being sentimental and emotional for wanting to stay?

You betcha.
Football and Liverpool FC, in particular, tend to make you that way. As such it is inevitable that those so affected do also retain a tendency to want to cling to what they regard as their home.
Many people in favour of the move have stated that in the modern arena of commercial cut and thrust, there really is no place for such cloying sentiment. Their contention is that we need to move on. That things change and institutions such as the Kop do, too. That Anfield, itself, has changed so dramatically in recent years that all those wonderful memories are, indeed, just that. In any case, they point out, it is not the ground that provides any aura or atmosphere. It is the supporters, themselves. The ground, after all, is simply bricks and mortar.
Now without wishing to be disrespectful to this view, it must be said it hardly carries a great deal of credence, once you begin to analyse what it is these people are contending.
The point, quite simply, is that the traditional English football ground is a structure that by its very essence has to and does evolve down the years. At any given point in its history you will find some change or modification has taken place that will reflect the style or needs of the particular period. It is this evolving form and concept which gives such edifices their architectural uniqueness. In recent years, of course, such changes have gathered pace but there has always been some degree or another of evolution going on.
The Spion Kop is a rather evocative example of this evolution.
The Kop originally was flat land behind the goal. Then it was a huge earth bank christened the 'Spion Kop' by a Liverpool Echo sportswriter. Later it had concrete terraces. Later still a roof. Next a Boy's Pen. Then a new roof covering. Then came proper access and egress staircases. Then new crush barriers. Finally, wholesale replacement by the current seated Kop grandstand. Similar stage developments are true of all parts of Anfield.
What this means is that any argument in favour of moving which uses the submission that Anfield is no longer the same and so we may as well move anyway is inherently flawed. The contention is self-defeating. The changes to a ground become part of that ground. Part of its history and part of the intrinsic fabric and feel of the place. There is no finer living breathing example of this in the world than Anfield.
[image]http://www.loki2001.f2s.com/anfieldpeice4.jpg[/image]Anyone who attended the recent European games cannot have failed to be impressed by the atmosphere of our ground. At matches like those Anfield can still generate intense, perhaps still unparallelled, beauty, excitement and majesty. The atmosphere seems to invoke the spirit of that legendary splendour from far off days and nights. That stuff of our matchless folk-lore. It is as if the circle of our dynasty becomes complete again. Once more, we are whole.
Unwittingly, yet unerringly, we become emotionally, nay, spiritually connected to those far off occasions. Times before many of our current supporting stock were born. Unveiled before us is the very essence of what this football club we support is all about. We tap into the prevailing aura and in so doing we all become part of those great atmospheres borne from the past. Just as the Kop in its own sixties heyday linked with ghosts of its own past. All that singing and chanting. All that swaying and emotion. The fervour, the flags, the scarves, the humour, the sheer bountiful devotion to our team, our great managers and each other.
Nowhere else save Anfield retains that imbued sense of communion and, indeed, community. Nowhere else in the world. It is then that we truly do become the football club that is set apart from the rest. A Holy Trinity of a club. Team plus manager, fans and stadium.
And what is it that holds all this together? What is the glue that binds us?
Why, it is Anfield, itself. Our sanctuary. That sacred place where we worship our heroes and mourn our dead. Anfield our home. Shankly's home. Paisley's home. And now Houllier's home. The home of friends dear and departed. Their sprinkled ashes. Their precious buried caskets. Above all their spirit. The spirit of Liverpool Football Club.
We cannot leave it. We cannot desert it. There is too much, far too much to lose. And so, so little to gain. We again make no apologies here for ending on an emotive note. For all the sound logic we have presented here. For every scrap of evidence we have pieced together, still underpinning everything is the most important argument of all. Without Anfield, Liverpool Football Club is no different to any other football club. With Anfield, it is unique. There are certain rare times when emotion is more important than all the facts and figures and money in the whole world. This, our fellow Reds, happens to be one of those times.




azinorum -> RE: Anfield Forever - the Scouse corner (1/19/2007 1:59:53 AM)

Liverpool's Xabi backs Kuyt over Shevchenko
tribalfooball.com - January 18, 2007
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Liverpool midfielder Xabi Alonso rates Dirk Kuyt a better striker than Chelsea flop Andriy Shevchenko.
The two big-money forwards will be in the spotlight when the Blues travel to Anfield for tomorrow's lunchtime crunch.

And although Dutch ace Kuyt, 26, cost around �20m less, Alonso is convinced it was the Reds who got the right man for the English league.

Two goals separate the summer signings in the scoring charts - and as well as grabbing eight goals for Rafa Benitez's men, Kuyt has also been setting up plenty of efforts for his team-mates.
Kop midfielder Alonso said: "Kuyt has adapted well to the English game.

"It is clear he is very quick and has the ability to create a lot of dangerous situations.

"Also, he has adapted well to wearing the English style of clothes! He has been a very good acquisition.
"As for Shevchenko, it is even more difficult for a costly striker to adapt to a new country. It is hard to make and create chances.

"It's evident from his time in Italy and the number of goals he scored there that it was possible for him to adapt. We'll see if he's capable of rediscovering that form for Chelsea soon.

"He is a different player to Kuyt and it's hard to make comparisons."




azinorum -> RE: Anfield Forever - the Scouse corner (1/19/2007 2:02:59 AM)

CROUCH STANDING TALL IN ACTIM INDEX
Liverpoolfc.tv 18 January 2007

Liverpool striker Peter Crouch has earned himself a place in the Actim Index Team of the Week as a result of his performance against Premiership strugglers Watford according to The Actim Index - the Official Player Ratings of the Barclays Premiership.
 
Crouch scored the highest points total in the Index this week, his two goals and his performance at the weekend have pushed him up 68 places to 97th overall in the Index. Crouch is the 26th ranked striker with five goals in 20 appearances so far for The Reds. The 26 year old has also contributed this season with 24 shots on goal, 173 passes, seven successful tackles, 10 clearances and two interceptions.

There are currently five Liverpool players in the Top 50 of the Actim Index. Defender Steve Finnan is the highest ranking player, in 6th position overall and as the 2nd highest ranked defender.

Steven Gerrard and Jose Reina are placed 16th and 22nd in the Index respectively. Gerrard is the fourth highest ranked midfielder, having scored four goals, had 24 shots on target, won 57 tackles, made 556 passes, 28 interceptions and 14 clearances. Reina is the third highest ranked goalkeeper in the Premiership, and has made 96 saves in 23 appearances.

Jamie Carragher and Xabi Alonso are also included in the Top 50, ranked 28th and 37th overall respectively. Carragher is the eighth highest ranked defender, having scored one goal, made 44 successful tackles, 34 interceptions and 20 clearances. Alonso is the 11th highest ranked midfielder, with three goals, 12 shots on target, 81 successful tackles, 448 passes and 17 interceptions in 22 appearances.

The Actim Index is calculated using a unique mathematical formula that rates each player’s contribution be it goals, shots, passes, dribbles, tackles, crosses, saves, clearances, blocks, interceptions, time on the pitch or number of points gained by the team with marks deducted for red and yellow cards. Two additional calculations, which take account of player assists and goalkeeper’s clean sheets, have been added for the new season to increase the amount of variables a player is now measured by.




azinorum -> RE: Anfield Forever - the Scouse corner (1/19/2007 2:10:23 AM)

Gerrard and Alonso Finally Fulfilling Our Dreams
19th Jan 2007

All Things Red returns for the New Year with a look at the new midfield duo and their development together over the last few years.

When Steven Gerrard and Xabi Alonso linked up in Rafa Benitez’s first season at Liverpool, their partnership in the centre of midfield was to no avail; Gerrard wanted to attack, Alonso wanted to pass the ball, but neither wanted to protect the defence. Clearly, these two players were up there in the top ten central midfielders in a world, and yet their chemistry was incorrect when combined, something instantly recognised by Benitez. Last season, Gerrard played as a right winger while Alonso learned how to play like a defensive midfielder but still have his sublime passing and playmaking abilities on show.

What resulted was a more mature Gerrard, now focused on team and not self, as he had been for the early part of his career. Alonso now appears to be a well-rounded player, and if the long-range passes of his first season at Anfield are now elusive, it is because he spends so much more time working hard on his positioning and tackling.

I remember the fans drooling at the thought of these two working in combination, but it seemed fairly certain that they would never regularly do it again after the diabolical first-half performance against AC Milan in the Champions League Final. We were ripped to shreds. Sissoko came in subsequently and people began to say that we need him, that we need his rock-like figure in the team if we are to keep clean sheets, especially away from home. I’ll admit that I thought so too.

But the Malian’s long-term injury has come as a blessing in disguise for what was a rather one-dimensional midfield at the start of the season. Now, Gerrard and Alonso can interchange, and know that they have pacy wingers on both the right and the left to depend on. Effectively, this means that the ball is moved out of the middle, lessening our dependency on shoring it up and stretching teams much more than we used to when Gerrard constantly came inside and we lacked a left winger altogether. Clean sheets come easier, our away form has improved, and in the last few games, I have found that watching us is much more of a pleasure; Sissoko is a brilliant player, but he sometimes doesn’t make for pretty viewing.

I’m not saying that our Malian protégé should be shafted, not at all. At Blackburn, he would have been the perfect grit in the midfield and would probably have given us the essential edge. But perhaps now that Gerrard and Alonso have been forced to form an effective, nay formidable, partnership, Benitez may actually not be so terrified of playing them together, especially at home or against teams which don’t just attempt to bully their way to a draw. What we’ve learnt is a new way of playing, and our team is much better for it; the manager has made us more adaptable, even if it is circumstances which have pushed him into doing it.

It all makes for a very exciting 2007.




azinorum -> RE: Anfield Forever - the Scouse corner (1/19/2007 2:14:11 AM)

Neill to snub Liverpool as Hammers close in on £1.5m deal
By Jason Burt - 19 Jan 2007
 

West Ham United made an emphatic move into the transfer market last night with both Tottenham Hotspur's Calum Davenport and Blackburn Rovers' Lucas Neill undergoing medicals at Upton Park while a loan bid for the Seville striker Kepa Blanco is expected to succeed late today.

Davenport is also due to join for £3m today, although the situation is less clear with Neill. Spurs have allowed Davenport to go because they are in negotiations with the Portuguese club Benfica over the signing of defender Ricardo Rocha as his replacement. A Spurs delegation was in Lisbon to meet the Benfica president, Jose Vega, with a view to buying Rocha for ¤4m euros (£2.9m).

The 28-year-old Rocha has six caps for Portugal and has been identified by the Spurs manager, Martin Jol, who has long trawled the market for a central defender and has failed with several bids, as being able to add the experience his squad needs.

The 6ft 4in Davenport played 10 games on loan at West Ham after joining Spurs from Coventry City for £1.3m in 2004. Watford had hoped to sign him, as part of a player-plus-cash deal for Ashley Young, but that has now fallen through. West Ham, of course, have had a £9.65m bid for Young accepted but it appears the winger wants to move to Spurs ­ although they will certainly not match that offer.

West Ham made their move after injuries to Danny Gabbidon and James Collins. Davenport is expected to make his debut against Newcastle United on Saturday. Whether he is joined by Neill remains to be seen. Although the 28-year-old travelled to London and has been offered a two-and-a-half-year contract, doubling his wages to £60,000-a-week, Blackburn remain reluctant to sell until they have a replacement and may try and hold Neill until the end of the season.

West Ham, who have offered £1.5m for Neill, who is out of contract this summer, are refusing to give them Paul Konchesky even though the player appears to want to leave. Liverpool have always been favourites to sign Neill but their patience has worn thin with the prevarication over the deal.

The Liverpool manager, Rafael Benitez, yesterday issued Neill with an ultimatum ­ saying he had to decide whether he was coming to Anfield by today. Liverpool have agreed a swap deal involving Stephen Warnock for the full-back and, despite offering less in personal terms, had expected Neill's signature to be a formality, having received repeated assurances that he prized Champions' League football and honours above money.

However, Neill's advisors returned to Liverpool with revised demands, prompting Benitez to say: "If a player wants to come to play for Liverpool, he must say yes quickly. We will not wait. If he thinks about it for too long, maybe it's a signal it's time for us to look for other players. We have alternatives."

The Hammers also face competition for Blanco from Manchester City, but he is thought to favour West Ham with a view to a £4-5m transfer in the summer. His agent, Alvaro Torres, confirmed that the player now had a straight choice. "Seville is evaluating offers from West Ham and Manchester City, " said Torres. "Both are six-month loan deals."




azinorum -> RE: Anfield Forever - the Scouse corner (1/19/2007 2:18:44 AM)

Benítez has three ways to beat the Blues
Dan Roebuck
Friday January 19, 2007
The Guardian

Liverpool's manager has never beaten Chelsea in the league but the bookies give him a big chance tomorrow .

Ladbrokes are expecting bumper business when the top four in the Premiership meet this weekend, with the Harrow-based firm estimating £2m will pass through their tills, suggesting the industry as a whole will turn over about £10m. Just to give punters even more choice, the leading betting exchange Betfair are now, for the first time, giving their customers a chance to back and lay accumulators.

Daringly, William Hill are the only bookmaker that make Liverpool clear favourites, at 6-4, to defeat Chelsea in the first leg of the double tomorrow lunchtime. Hill's are a standout 13-8 about a Blues win, a price that looks extremely tempting given Jose Mourinho's league record over Rafa Benítez: played five, won five.

However, Liverpool's current Premiership run of seven wins from their last eight matches has forced the layers into making the Merseysiders evens favourites to win the Premiership "without Manchester United and Chelsea". This, coupled with the champions' poor return in their last six games - just two wins - should be enough to make punters stop and think before lumping on the Blues.




azinorum -> RE: Anfield Forever - the Scouse corner (1/19/2007 8:01:27 AM)

Do Liverpool fans really prefer Manchester United to Chelsea?
By Sack the Juggler

Liverpool fans were hoping to be challenging for the Premiership title this year, and if it were not for their disastrous away form early in the season then they would have undoubtedly been up there. But as they are not, then do they really want to see their old rivals win it over the young pretenders Chelsea? 

Sir Alex Ferguson seems to think so and in a recent interview has said; “With Chelsea not endearing themselves to everyone in the game, it’s strange that people, even Liverpool fans, are saying to me ‘I hope you win the League’, which is amazing, but I think that Liverpool supporters will always recognise what good football teams are.”

So is Fergie right? or is he just playing mind games with Mourinho again?

In many ways Liverpool fans have always appreciated good football, but I doubt that sways their thinking regarding their old rivals.

And with Liverpool about to receive a significant cash injection from Dubai International Capital (DIC), is it fair for their fans to criticise Chelsea for “buying success”.

Personally I suspect that Liverpool fans still harbour a hope of winning the title this season, and either they are playing mind games with Fergie, or Fergie is just playing mind games with Mourinho.  And while Chelsea fans may feel hard done by Liverpool fans, I’m sure they’d still rather have the Premiership titles than their support. Which just leaves the Manchester United fans, who probably don’t really care what the Liverpool fans say…..




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