السلام عليكم بمناسبة انعقاد مؤتمر المصالحة الوطنية لي كامل الشرف ان اتقدم الى القراء والكتاب في هذا الموقع موضوعا يتعلق بالشخصية العراقية التي عاشت بدفيء هذه الحضارة والتي لحد الان لم تقبل الطرف الاخر ولا زال البعض يستخدم العنف لتحقيق رغباته العاطفية والمادية والمعنوية للوصول للهدف الذي يخطط له وهنا الكلام موجه بصورة خاصة للمعارضة المسلحة التي وصلت الى طريق مسدود ولن تراجع حساباتها في تغير هذا الطريق الى المعارضة السلمية التي تنزل حضاريا الى الشارع رافعة اهدافها المنشودة ومطالبة النظام بما تريد وتعتقد اللهم الا اذا كانت فئة من خارج الحدود او ماجورة لا تستحق ان تعيش في هذا البلد النبيل واستثني هنا المعارضة المسلحة التي تقاوم الاجنبي ردا على تصرفاته القذرة او عنجهيته المتكبرة انذاك لها الحق في حمل السلاح مع العلم ان اغلب دول العالم التي ليس لها حضارة كبيرة ومنها الولايات المتحدة استطاعت ان تتعامل حضاريا مع ابناء بيتها بالرغم من مهاجمتها للاخرين وهنا دعوة للاخوان المشاركين لتوسيع النقاش حول المعارضة السلمية والتي تعتبر حق عالميا لكل الشعوب والسلام
لا شك ان العراق ارض الحضارات العربية الا ان دخول الاجنبي واعتماده على بعض ضعفاء النفوس والثقافة تسبب في هذا كله ثم اضف اليه تدخل ايران وسوريا لكبح الطموح الامريكي في السيطرة على المنطقة وخوفا من ذهاب العروش العفنه لدى البعض مع المد الديمقراطي في المنطقة العربية لان العرب لا زالو يخضعون لحكم العشيرة والعائلة ولهذا فان الديمقراطية والانفتاح بالعراق يخيفهم كما تم استغلال الاخطاء الامريكية في هذا البلد اما الطبقة المثقفة في العراق لا اظن انها تشارك في هذه الجرائم القذرة والسلام
الاخ سيف علي حقيقة ان ما قلته حول تدخل دول الجوار واعتماد هذه الدول على مخابراتها المتجذرة من زمن صدام وخوفها الدائم من هذا البلد المقدام في كل شيء وكذلك وجود بعض الجهلاء من الذين لا يعرفون من الاسلام الا التمترس وراء بعض مدعي الامارة الاسلامية والمدعومون من الخارج وعقولهم مغلقة ويتصورون انفسهم انهم يعيشون في عهد الخلافة الراشدية ويعطون الفتاوي التي يضحك عليها حتى الاطفال وهنا على سبيل المثل اصدر احدهم فتوى بالفلوجة ان كل من لديه عنز ولم يغطيها بسروال فانه يقتل ان وجد وهو يرعى الماعز وهو عاري فماذا تتصور يا اخي من هذه الترهات ومن لا زال عقله متدني الى هذه المستويات فلا تستغرب
FROM I KNOW LITTLE ARABIC AND I READ YOUR POST YES IRAQ (MESOPOTAMIA IS THE LAND OF CRADLE OF HUMAN CIVILIZATIONS OF THE WORLD AND THE LAND OF THE FIRST PROPHETS IN IT), GOD BLESS THE IRAQI PEOPLE AND THEIR LAND AND GOD BLESS YOU ALL.
Am not sure where to start but it gets old how people (no one in particular) just keep repeating the words "Country of all civilizations of the world" or "cradle of all civilizations". Its true that Iraq is the the cradle of all civilizations but we can't just rely on that. That is HISTORY, and not many people care about it...we should care about the present. Because we are living the present not the past. We need to make our present like they made our past but we just can't depened on that..does that even help us any??
WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS CORRECT 100% AND RIGHT BUT NOBODY CARES ABOUT IRAQ AND ITS CIVILIZATION BECAUSE THE WORLD AND THE ARAB WORLD CARES ABOUT THE OIL OF IRAQ AND THE KURDS TOO THAT IS WHY THE KURDS ARE CLAMING THE LANDS THAT IT IS NOT THIERS AND NEVER WILL JUST BECAUSE OF THE OIL AND GOD BLESS YOU.
dear mr sadiq Iam happy to met again in this subject and with great thanks to you about your hot love to the mesopotamia and i hope that you will visit iraq when it is calm and have a real democracy in future,to see the indications of old civilizations.
FOR OUR SISTER ZEYNEB : what you say are the trough and tell now we search the ways to save our country and reconstruct the new civilization.while the the human beings which controles or drives the ship are not in a nivel...........
< Message edited by al ani -- 12/19/2006 6:00:55 PM >
Zainab: you are right. We do spend far too much time patting ourselves on the back for things that happened thousands of years ago. We are all proud of our great history but haven't experienced it in any way. We latch onto it to get out of having to face reality. We also have a tendency to speak about the recent past as if it were also a Mesopotamia of sorts but thats more an indication of how much we have sufferd under the Baathists than anything to do with reality. Anytime is better than now but the 'good old days' weren't that great so its only a case of the lesser of two evils. If only the sectarian rubbish could be put aside and everyone would realize the lunacy and pointlessness of this violence then they might reaise something very obvious. They might just see that theres enough wealth, natural resources, human resources and work for everyone.
Again I say that this sectarian bulls**t boils down to religion interfering with the political process and turning brother against brother. If religious leaders hadn't gained such prominence after the invasion of 2003 and better used their time to promote patience and unity in their mosques rather than draw lines in the sand in Parliament, we wouldn't have been in this mess. We can continue to blame the Americans for everything. What's done is done and our future can only be decided by us. The Americans made the mess but its our home and we have to clean it up. But first we have to find a way to separate the religious process from the political one. When Imams turn into politicians they can't do their jobs as Imams. They would still have exerted great influence on how the new Iraq progresses and their indirect involvement would still have had power at the ballot box. Instead politics has succeeded in staining religion and we now have to read and hear news about Muqtada Al Sadr's stupidity or how many people were blown up in a Shia or Sunni market rather than focusing on the politicians and forcing them to serve the county's best interests. You said it in your own post "We need to make our present like they made our past" but you forgot to include "in order to move into the present we have to forget our past". All the great religious books were written a long, long time ago and if we use them as day to day guides or find them personally comforting then thats OK. But Iraq is using them politically so there is no chance of getting past issues that happened over a thousand years ago. Separating religion from politics is the first step. Regards. Azinorum
الاخوة الكرام لقد كان الموضوع باللغة العربية ولا اعلم لماذا تكتبو بالانجليزية والمرة القادمة ساكتب انا بالكردية لاني لست من عبدة الانجليز والامريكان
Excuse the english kaka but weve been through this before. Some of the members of this forum live outside of Iraq and don't have arabic enabled PC's, others find it easier to discuss topics in English because they type faster than in Arabic.
PLEASE TO MEET YOU AGAIN, FROM WHAT I KNOW VERY LITTLE ARABIC THAT POST IT NOW, WE STRATED TYPING ENGLISH BECAUSE IT IS THE FUTURE LANGUAGE OF THE WORLD AND THE MOST EASY LANGUAGE IN THE WORLD, SO IF YOU FEEL TO TYPE IN YOUR KURDISH LANGUAGE NOBODY WILL EVER AND NEVER UNDERSTAND, BECAUSE SIMPLY THE KURDISH LANGUAGE DEOS NOT HAVE ORIGINS FROM THE ANY BACKROUND AND ALSO DO NOT TELL ME IT IS A MEDIAN CIVILIZATION LANGUAGE BECAUSE SIMPLY IT IS NOT DO YOU UNDERSTAND AKRAWI1.
FROM WHAT I LITTLE KNOW ABOUT ARABIC THAT YOU TYPED AND I AM TYRING TO READ IT AND LEARN FROM IT, THAT THE KURDS THAT THEY DO NOT LIKE ANYONE AND HENCE BEFORE 200 YEARS AGO AT THE DAYS OF THE OTTOMANS THEY DEALED WITH THEM TO KICK OUT THE NATIVE PEOPLE OF MESOPOTAMIA FROM THE NORTH AND CLAIMING THAT THESE ARE THIERS AND STILL FAKING THE HISTORY AND FOOLING THEM SELVES AND THEY THE PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD WILL BELIEVE THEIR FAKE STORIES OH COME ON LIVE A DEACENT LIFE MAN AND STOP LYING TO OTHER PEOPLE.
DO NOT FORGET THAT IRAQ IS NOT ONLY THE CRADLE OF ANCIENT HUMAN CIVILIZATIONS, BUT ALSO IT IS THE LAND OF THE FIRST PROPHETS WERE BORN IN THIS COUNTRY GOD BLESS ZEYNAB HASSAN I RESPECT YOU WITH EVERYTHING YOU SAY.
FROM MY ARABIC FRIEND IS TELLING ME JUST IN YOUR TOPIC, THAT I READ BOOKS ABOUT MESOPOTAMIANS CIVILIZATION AND I LOVED AND I KNOW THAT THE MOST ADVANCED CIVILIZATION IN THE WORLD, AKRAWI1 IF YOU HATE ME THAT MUCH THEN I DO NOT CARE, AND HENCE DO NOT READ MY TOPICS IF YOU LIKE TO READ IT I AM FORCING YOU TO READ IT ONLY THE GOOD PEOPLE WILL UNDERSTAND AND GOD BLESS YOU.
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ألى جميع الاخوه و الاخوات في هذا الديوان. استناداً لنظام الكتابه في ديوان السياسه، الكل لهم الحق للكتابه باللغه العربيه او الانگليزيه. ولاكن، اذا كان النقاش حول قضيه اخواننا الاكراد، او القضيه الكرديه. أرجو الكتابه في ديوان "القضيه الكرديه". حيث بامكانكم الكتابه باللغه الكرديه بالاضافه الى العربيه، و الانگليزيه و بامكان كل اللذين يمارسون القراءه و الكتابه باللغه الكرديه ان يناقشوا المواضيع المتعلقه بالاخوان الاكراد بكل حريه و تفاهم. و شكراً للجميع. To all members writing in the politics forum:
According to the rules, everyone is free to write in one or both languages (Arabic and/or English). Unless you are discussing an issue that is related to our Kurdish brothers, or Iraqi Kurds, and you would like to write in Kurdish, then the best thing to do is post your subject in the “Iraqi-Kurdish issue” forum. There everyone is welcomed to write in Kurdish, in addition to Arabic, and English. It is a good forum for those of us who prefer to write in Kurdish, and those who have interest in the Iraqi- Kurdish Issue” Thanks to all.
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God bless the whole world, No exceptions. الدين لله و الوطن للجميع
الاخ هاري تحية وبعد اعتقد ان هذا الموضوع لا يهم الاكراد او العرب لوحدهم انه يهم العراق كوحدة متكاملة وحضارات عبر التاريخ والمقصود به هو ان هذه الحضارات العريقة لم يستفد منها الانسان العراقي بصورة تامة بحيث لا زال بعض الناس يقتلون اخوانهم العراقيين بلغة اهل الغاب والكاتب شرح ان الانسان الحضاري يستطيع ان يرفع شعاراته ويقف في الشارع ويطالب برفع الحيف والظلم عنه لا باستخدام لغة الغابه اي البقاء للحامل السلاح الاقوى وقد اخذ الكاتب المثل الامريكي بالرغم انها لا تمتلك حضارة كباقي الشعوب القديمة الا انها تستعمل الطريق السلمي في دولة الحق والقانون الا وهي الديمقراطية
الاخ عقراوي انا افهم من سؤالك الذي وجهته لي كوني شيعي ومن النجف لكي نكون واضحين وانا اقول لك هناك حقد تربينا عليه لسنين وذلك بسبب حكم صدام الذي قتل العلماء والسياسين من منطقتنا وكنا دائما نتوقع اذا رفعنا صوتنا فان الحرس الجمهوري سيدفننا تحت ركام المنازل وانت تعرف ما فعل صدام في كربلاء والنجف بعد الانتفاضة لقد سقانا الذل حتى اصبحنا نخاف من اسمه وصورته ومن اي عسكري يدخل المنطقة يعني حكمنا بالنار والحديد وقتل الكثير وشرد الكثير من المناطق الجنوبية وانت تعرف ما جرى للصدر( باقرالصدر) او الحكيم ومع ذلك انا استحي من اعدامه يوم عيد السنة والعالم الاسلامي ينظر الى كلمة لبيك اللهم لبيك في مكة حتى ضننت ان الامريكان قد فرضوا علينا الموعد ولكن بعد تبرا الامريكان على لسان خليل زادة فانا باسمي وباسم عائلتي اعتذر للمسلمين في جميع انحاء العالم وهناك مثل يقول مثلما كنتم يتولى عليكم وسوف لن يترك الله من عمل هذا التوقيت بدون حساب وسيتولاه بدلا عن المسلمين والسلام
< Message edited by saifali -- 1/2/2007 3:37:26 PM >
Sorry if this is off topic but I just read on the BBC website that Maliki has said he would prefer if he wasn't leader??
Just what kind of message is this guy trying to send Iraqis who are looking for stability? Barely 48 hrs after he signs the final approval which lead to such a disgracefully handled execution he comes out with a statement like this. I remember reading that Maliki Quote... "I have a strong hope. If I didn't have hope, I wouldn't be here today" just last week
Doesn't sound like he's that hopefull to me!
BBC report is pasted below:
BBC NEWS WEBSITE 03, January 2007
Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri Maliki has made clear he dislikes being the country's leader and would prefer to leave the job before his term ends.
In an extensive interview with a US newspaper, Mr Maliki said he would certainly not be seeking a second term.
A compromise choice, his tenure has been plagued by factional strife within both the country and government, and rumours the US has no faith in him. "I wish I could be done with it even before the end of this term," he said.
"I didn't want to take this position," he told the Wall Street Journal. "I only agreed because I thought it would serve the national interest, and I will not accept it again."
Undermined
Mr Maliki, a stalwart of the Shia movement which led the resistance to Saddam Hussein, was sworn in as prime minister for a four year term in May after Sunni and Kurd parties rejected the Shia alliance's first nominee.
It followed four months of political deadlock.
He has since been undermined by sectarian tensions within his majority Shia alliance, as well as opposition from Sunni Arabs politicians who say he has not done enough to dismantle Shia militias.
The manner in which Saddam Hussein was executed has also increased the pressure on Mr Maliki's government.
Correspondents say mobile phone footage showing the former Iraqi leader being taunted as he went to the gallows will make it very hard for Baghdad to convince Sunni Arabs that his execution was not just an act of retaliation against their community by Shias.
As Saddam Hussein supporters continue to protest against his death, the Sunni Baath Party announced it had appointed Saddam's former deputy, Izzat Ibrahim al-Douri, as his successor.
In a message posted on the internet, Mr Douri said the death of their leader would "only strengthen their resolve".
Clashing with Washington
Mr Maliki has also had a tense relationship with the US.
Late last year the New York Times published a memo from the White House national security adviser which contained a withering analysis of his leadership.
It described him as "a leader who wanted to be strong but was having difficulty figuring out how to do so" although President George W Bush has subsequently stated that Mr Maliki has his full backing.
Mr Maliki has however made his own impatience with Washington clear, accusing the US of failing to provide adequate equipment and training to Iraqi forces. He repeated his criticism in the Wall Street Journal, saying US-led forces and the Iraqi army were too slow in responding to the insurgency.
"This gives the terrorists a chance to hit and run," he said. "What is happening in Iraq is a war of gangs and a terrorist war. That is why it needs to be confronted with a strong force and with fast reaction."
In the interview, conducted a week before Saddam Hussein was executed, Mr Maliki told the paper he had faith that peace would eventually be restored to Iraq.
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Sorry if this is off topic but I just read on the BBC website that Maliki has said he would prefer if he wasn't leader?? 
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