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jukka -> RE: Does Israel have a right to exist? (9/13/2006 1:54:43 PM)

I think that Israel has the right to exist. However Israel has disobeyed the world and United Nations resolutions and should start giving West Bank back to the palestinians. Israel is of course concerned about its own security. Neighbouring countries including Iran should sign a peace deal with Israel and make Israel feel secure enough to give the rest of the occupied land to the palestinians. Israel doesnt have the right to unilaterally draw its borders by building security barriers on its borders. The borders have already been decided in the UN.

I understand that because of the wars Israel is now occupying the land for the sake of its own security. Israel would be stupid to give the land back and therefore risk its own security. I dont know if Israel should have been punished in the past because it disobeyed the UN, because I think that Israel was just trying to survive by keeping the land occupied. I think that the Israeli occupation of the muslim land is arabs own fault because they invaded and tried to invade Israel and things are now as they are. And by scaring of Israel the peace process is jammed and no more land is given back to the arabs. They already started by giving back the Gaza strip but somebody screwed everything up there in the middle east.

Unfortunately unrealistic leaders like Hamas (who believe that Israel can be destroyed) screw things up further. If they can destroy Israel then why dont they attack? Maybe they are afraid the Israelis will nuke everybody. I feel pity for the palestinians for choosing these kinds of people (Hamas) to lead them. Hamas is living in a fantasy world.



Harry -> RE: Does Israel have a right to exist? (9/14/2006 10:16:04 AM)

Disobeying the UN resolutions is nothing new from Israel, though I do understand that they are concerned about their country’s security. However, the main problem here is that whenever Israel defies UN resolutions, no one takes any action against them, while when any of the Arab or Islamic nation does the same; the whole world stands up and tries to punish them for defiance.
 
Let us not forget the unconditional support that Israel gets from the U.S. whether Israel is the aggressor or the victim, they get support from all over. If they are the aggressors, it is called the right to defend itself, but when they are the victims, the Palestinians are portrayed as criminals and terrorists, not as people who are sacrificing their lives to get back what legally belongs to them. My question here is, why is this double standard system is accepted around the world, even in the Arab world, no one stands up to the UN and say. “Wait a moment here, the Palestinians are being persecuted every minute of every day in their own homeland, when are you people going to stop this nonsense and give those people their dignity back”. They are fighting for their freedom, and being accused of terrorism.
 
I do not consider “Hamas” or any other militant group as leaders; instead they should be dissolved and a group of intelligent, educated people should be elected to lead and govern the Palestinians. Otherwise there will be no peace in the region. The world is changing, military rule have proven to be the worse system to govern a nation or a country; nowadays, civilized leaders are being preferred over militants. No one wants to be oppressed anymore, the world would be a more peaceful one if the military only works to defend the country and not control it.



PL Project -> RE: Does Israel have a right to exist? (10/6/2006 6:00:46 AM)

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[:D] well PL PROJECT why is the middle east are like this they are stupid only thinking for money and for women and do not forget that allah the mighty god said in the quran that the muslims were before good people and now they stupid because like i said before only for money and for women especilly the arabs my fear friend and the kurds the same thing and also prophet mohammed ( peace be upon him) said before 1400 years ago that the muslims are afraid and not thinking of helping each other or respecting each other now you know why my dear friend and in the future i will tell you more


I don't understand who taught you all this rubbish info, or from where you got it. Just because you go behind money and women, don't consider all others are also like you!!! Are you teaching me what Almighty Allah said in the Qur'an about the Muslims , their behavior in the future??? Bring atleast one verse from the Holy Qur'an in which Allah says that the Muslims in the future will be stupid!!! Prophet Muhammed(saw) has not mentioned any where that Muslims will not be helping eachother. As for today, Muslims are the best brothers. No muslim can see another Muslim being cruelly dealt with by a fanatical country like the US or the Israel. If you can, conduct a survey among Muslims  about their opinions regarding the crisis in the middle east, you will surely find that the Muslims from all ove the world will sympathise the Palestinians.

Stop talking rubbish, or get lost from this forum!!!



PL Project -> RE: Does Israel have a right to exist? (10/6/2006 6:15:46 AM)

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ORIGINAL: sadiq2006

[:@] first of all jaafer do not tell where did i get these stupit things respect yourself yes the arabs and the kurds are stupid only for women and money


Not Arabs, but the Kurds.

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ORIGINAL: sadiq2006
if you the history from 1400 years ago in the islamic days after when prophet mohammed died everyone became lazy and changing their riligion


No Muslim changed religion until 900A.H. There are official records of  historians to prove it. How do you prove that everyone became lazy???

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 so that is why they failed in umayen and abbasian and andalus and those basterds otomman empire i hate them because they destroyed iraq or mesopotamia


They failed in Ummayads, Abbasids and something else??? I am really surprised about your little knowledge!!! All the above mentioned words are not places, but families of Caliphs!!! The Ottomans did not destroy Iraq. The Mongols did that. They wrecked havoc in Baghdad and the rest of Iraq in 1258A.D, the fall of Baghdad. The Ottomans revived the Iraqi culture to some extent. But they were unsuccessful because people like you treated them like invaders and today you sit crying like this!!!

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 so next respect yourself and do not teach me history crazy guy yes they lazy from 1400 years ago ok .


It seems that you think you have done a PhD in History.  With your insufficient knowledge, I think you must not have even read a got book on the history of Iraq, leave alone the history of Islam. Surely you need someone like Jaffer to teach you that!!! Next time, mind your language.



PL Project -> RE: Does Israel have a right to exist? (10/6/2006 6:21:21 AM)

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ORIGINAL: jukka

This is a nice world with crazy people like Jaafer living in it. They view everything negatively without raising up the positive side of things. They rely on conspiracy theories instead of generally proven facts. Their world view is like a deck of cards but they yell so loudly that no-one has the chance to question their belief.

Good people should stand up against these kinds of lunatics or everything will be a mess. Look at history and see it repeated again.


I don't agree with you. I don't see anything 'crazy' in Jaffer's words. He sees the positive side of something and puts it here. You see the negative side of it and call him crazy. Put it that way. And what are those 'generally proven facts' you are talking about??? And how do you know that he yells so loudly??? He's posting his views, not voice!!!



PL Project -> RE: Does Israel have a right to exist? (10/6/2006 6:48:41 AM)

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ORIGINAL: jukka

I think that Israel has the right to exist. However Israel has disobeyed the world and United Nations resolutions and should start giving West Bank back to the palestinians. Israel is of course concerned about its own security. Neighbouring countries including Iran should sign a peace deal with Israel and make Israel feel secure enough to give the rest of the occupied land to the palestinians.


Why should the Arab countries sign a peace deal with Israel just to make it feel secure??? Israel has encroached the Palestinian land unlawfully, with the help of US and Britain and you say that it should feel secure there??? It is already secure with nuclear weapons given by the US and by the support of them. This occupying of lands surrounding it for 'security' is only an excuse offered by the Israelis to conquer the lands of the Arab countries.

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ORIGINAL: jukka
 Israel doesnt have the right to unilaterally draw its borders by building security barriers on its borders. The borders have already been decided in the UN.


Decided in the UN on what basis??? Palestine was not even a member of the UN when all this happened, way back in 1947. How could the UN interfere with the rights of the people of a land who were not even related to the UN???

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ORIGINAL: jukka
I understand that because of the wars Israel is now occupying the land for the sake of its own security. Israel would be stupid to give the land back and therefore risk its own security. I dont know if Israel should have been punished in the past because it disobeyed the UN, because I think that Israel was just trying to survive by keeping the land occupied. I think that the Israeli occupation of the muslim land is arabs own fault because they invaded and tried to invade Israel and things are now as they are. And by scaring of Israel the peace process is jammed and no more land is given back to the arabs. They already started by giving back the Gaza strip but somebody screwed everything up there in the middle east.


All this talk sems to come from the mouth of another pro-Israeli  fanatic!!!

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ORIGINAL: jukka
Unfortunately unrealistic leaders like Hamas (who believe that Israel can be destroyed) screw things up further. If they can destroy Israel then why dont they attack? Maybe they are afraid the Israelis will nuke everybody. I feel pity for the palestinians for choosing these kinds of people (Hamas) to lead them. Hamas is living in a fantasy world.



This too!!! I don't understand how people without sufficient knowledge of the truth come and post rubbish here!!! One was Sadiq, whose grammer is only pitiable!!! And here's another........Jukka!!!



sadiq2006 -> RE: Does Israel have a right to exist? (10/8/2006 8:10:03 AM)

[:'(] first mister PL Project you do not teach the history second mongol and the ottomon people those crazy stupid they both of them destroyed mesopotamia or iraq and second the arabs always before and after deathe of prophet mohammed (peace be upon him) they became liers and the ummayians did many bad to iraq and those crazy kurds say that have a civilization and this is all bullshit and you do not ever i said ever teach the history again and I THINK YOU HATE IRAQ OR (MESOPOTAMIA) iraq will became strong when those rivers in turkey and syria the tigris and the furats how gave them to these crazy countries like syria and turkey because of the britian and the france they gave it to them ans second this was all for mesopotamia (iraq these blessing not for the stupid) and also there NO SUCH THING AS KURDISTAN THIS ALL BIG BIG BIG LIES GOD YOU PEOPLE MAKE ME SICK. [:@]



PL Project -> RE: Does Israel have a right to exist? (10/9/2006 5:13:56 AM)

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ORIGINAL: sadiq2006

[:'(] first mister PL Project you do not teach the history


I do! Only to those who are so miserable like you!!!

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ORIGINAL: sadiq2006
 second mongol and the ottomon people those crazy stupid they both of them destroyed mesopotamia or iraq


Not the Ottoman Kings, but the Non-Muslim Mongols.
After overthrowing the Assasins, Halaku, the Mongol emperor, moved to Hamadan. From there he sent Mongol envoys to the Caliph at Baghdad in 1255 A.D. The Caliph was asked to surrender to the Mongols. But the Mongol envoys were mobbed by the people of Baghdad, and the Caliph had no option but to reject the humiliating terms of Halaku.
Thereupon Halaku mounted a four-pronged attack against Baghdad. One Mongol column proceeded from Rum in Asia Minor to Baghdad via Mosul. The second column proceeded to Baghdad from Luristan. The third column proceeded from Kurdistan. The main Mongol force under Halaku proceeded from Hulwan. The Mongol forces arrived outside Baghdad in Jan 1256A.D and began the seige of the city. The Mongols broke the dykes on the river Tigris which flooded the country side and cut off the communications of Baghdad with the rest of the country.
Thereafter the Mongols opened a massive bombardment with their mangonels. The Muslim forces crumbled within 3 days, and the Caliph surrendered on the 10th of Feb 1258A.D. The palace of the Caliph was ransacked by the Mongols and all the Jewels and other valuable property was captured by them. Instead of food, the Caliph was served with a dish of jewels and when he said that this was not edible, Halaku retorted 'Then why did you amass this waelth and not give it to your soldiers, why did you not make these iron doors into arrow heads and come to the bank of the river, so that I would not have been able to cross it?' The Caliph sighed and said that such was the will of God. Thereupon Halaku said 'In that case what will befall you would also be the will of God.' The Mongols directed the Muslim army to assemble on the main plain outside the city walls and there they were massacred.
Thereafter the Muslim population of Baghdad was required to gather on the blood soaked plain and they were put to sword regardless of age or sex. The Caliph was rolled in a carpet and trampled under the hooves of the horses of the Mongols.
Of Baghdad, the capital of the Muslim world, nothing remained but rubbles and drenched with blood. The entire cultural accumulation of the Abbasids for five centuries perished in flames.

As for the Ottomans, they captured Baghdad in the 15th or 16th century and rebuilt it. Once again there were palaces and the cultural gglory of Baghdad rose to its peak.

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ORIGINAL: sadiq2006
 and second the arabs always before and after deathe of prophet mohammed (peace be upon him) they became liers and the ummayians did many bad to iraq


After the death of the Holy Prophet(pbuh), there were Caliphs of great stature. Some of them were Hadrat Abu Bakr, Hadrat Usman, Hadrat Umar, Hadrat Ali, Hadrat Muawi'yah, Harun-Rashid etc. You can't label all these personalities as liars. They spread Islam to the corners of the world. Coming to Baghdad, they were the ones who made Baghdad their capital. They made Baghdad like how the New York is today, the cultural, business and investment hub of the world.

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 and those crazy kurds say that have a civilization and this is all bullshit


I know this IS bullshit!!!

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 and you do not ever i said ever teach the history again


I will!!!

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 and I THINK YOU HATE IRAQ OR (MESOPOTAMIA)


I do not hate any Muslim country. I am trying to clear all the bullshit present in your mind about the Arabs. That does not mean that I hate you or your country Iraq. Infact, I arouse my sympathy towards Iraq.

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ORIGINAL: sadiq2006
 iraq will became strong when those rivers in turkey and syria the tigris and the furats how gave them to these crazy countries like syria and turkey because of the britian and the france they gave it to them ans second this was all for mesopotamia (iraq these blessing not for the stupid) and also there NO SUCH THING AS KURDISTAN THIS ALL BIG BIG BIG LIES GOD YOU PEOPLE MAKE ME SICK. [:@]


I understand that you are anti-Kurd and so am I.
Coming to the rivers in Turkey and Syria, they were never part of the Mesopotamian civilisation!!! Even during the times of Prophet Musa(pbuh), there were Syrians and the Turks. They had their own lands and their own rivers which are present today. At that time too there wa the Babylonian civilisation(Mesopotamia) which had its own land, away from the Syrians or the Turks.

Listen Sadiq, do not think that today's Muslims do not like Iraq in their midst. They just feeel hatred towards the past-political machinery of Saddam Hussein, who went on ravaging the other Arab countries inthe Gulf Wars. I myself am not an Arab, Iam an Indian, from Bangalore. Still I feel hatred towards the Saddam regime. But do not think that I or any other Muslim or Arab hates you or your people or your country. I consider all Muslims as my brothers and you are no exception.




sadiq2006 -> RE: Does Israel have a right to exist? (10/9/2006 1:06:05 PM)

[;)] first Mr. PL Project you do not teach me history second there is no such thing as syria or turkey , because syria name came from assyria if take out the two letters as it will be syria because thaty name came from assyria my people and second it iwas anadole and not turkey ans these rivers the furat in syria and in turkey and the dijla in turkey also is for iraq only (mesopotamia) you crazy stupid i do and respect  Bakr, Hadrat Usman, Hadrat Umar, Hadrat Ali, harun rahsid but to Hadrat Muawi'yah he is a bad person he is the one how brought problem to iraq and second the rivers i told are for the rivers of dijla nad furat from upper north of turkey and coming to syria are for iraq because those british and france divided in to these and there is no such i told before as syria and turkey like i told turkey was a small place and it is anadole and syria was only badiet alsham and second the civilizations in alsham most of them came from mesopotmia because there is no original civilization came them do you understand the amoreans and aramians and the assyrians and babylons and akkadians and sumerians and the chaldeans are all from mesopotmia and second do not forget that iraq is the original land of the propets and nobody taught mesopotmia a civilization because they gave the civilization and like i told ali , uthman , omar , abu bakr i like them very much and respected the iraqis very but the are crazy they do not iraq and i do not care , mesopotamia is the first civilization in the world and the first and original land of the prophets and by the way they mesopotamia it is from sumer and above is 8000 years old and the agriculture in it and the kurds they have civilization because they invaded iraq and the first alphbet and the writting is in iraq so do not tell me that ottoman regaind the iraqi culture this bullshit they never liked iraq . 



sadiq2006 -> RE: Does Israel have a right to exist? (10/9/2006 1:27:47 PM)

[;)]first Mr. PL Project you do not teach me history second there is no such thing as syria or turkey , because syria name came from assyria if take out the two letters as it will be syria because thaty name came from assyria my people and second it iwas anadole and not turkey ans these rivers the furat in syria and in turkey and the dijla in turkey also is for iraq only (mesopotamia) you crazy stupid i do and respect  Bakr, Hadrat Usman, Hadrat Umar, Hadrat Ali, harun rahsid but to Hadrat Muawi'yah he is a bad person he is the one how brought problem to iraq and second the rivers i told are for the rivers of dijla nad furat from upper north of turkey and coming to syria are for iraq because those british and france divided in to these and there is no such i told before as syria and turkey like i told turkey was a small place and it is anadole and syria was only badiet alsham and second the civilizations in alsham most of them came from mesopotmia because there is no original civilization came them do you understand the amoreans and aramians and the assyrians and babylons and akkadians and sumerians and the chaldeans are all from mesopotmia and second do not forget that iraq is the original land of the propets and nobody taught mesopotmia a civilization because they gave the civilization and like i told ali , uthman , omar , abu bakr i like them very much and respected the iraqis very much but the arabs are crazy they do not like iraq and i do not care , mesopotamia is the first civilization in the world and the first and original land of the prophets and by the way they mesopotamia it is from sumer and above civilizations in iraq is 8000 years old and the agriculture in it and the said kurds they have civilization because they invaded iraq and the first alphbet and the writting is in iraq so do not tell me that ottoman regaind the iraqi culture this bullshit they never liked iraq, and by the way the first in the world is in mesopotmia (iraq) and everything and if anyone does not like iraq from upper north of mesopotmia until the very south of mesopotmia which the uppor north is from turkey and coming to syria which the rivers for iraq and this the fact and if any hates iraq because it is the first land of the prophets and the original one this the people not mine and also , i want to tell i am not i said i am not an anti-kurk because they invaded sulaimania kurkuk irbil and dahuk and the rest mesopotamia and claiming they have civilization and also the first agricultural development in the world more tens of thousands of years old my dear and god bless you and have a good time .  



PL Project -> RE: Does Israel have a right to exist? (10/10/2006 2:06:55 AM)

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ORIGINAL: sadiq2006

[;)]first Mr. PL Project you do not teach me history second there is no such thing as syria or turkey , because syria name came from assyria if take out the two letters as it will be syria because thaty name came from assyria my people and second it iwas anadole and not turkey ans these rivers the furat in syria and in turkey and the dijla in turkey also is for iraq only (mesopotamia) you crazy stupid i do and respect  Bakr, Hadrat Usman, Hadrat Umar, Hadrat Ali, harun rahsid but to Hadrat Muawi'yah he is a bad person he is the one how brought problem to iraq and second the rivers i told are for the rivers of dijla nad furat from upper north of turkey and coming to syria are for iraq because those british and france divided in to these and there is no such i told before as syria and turkey like i told turkey was a small place and it is anadole and syria was only badiet alsham and second the civilizations in alsham most of them came from mesopotmia because there is no original civilization came them do you understand the amoreans and aramians and the assyrians and babylons and akkadians and sumerians and the chaldeans are all from mesopotmia and second do not forget that iraq is the original land of the propets and nobody taught mesopotmia a civilization because they gave the civilization and like i told ali , uthman , omar , abu bakr i like them very much and respected the iraqis very much but the arabs are crazy they do not like iraq and i do not care , mesopotamia is the first civilization in the world and the first and original land of the prophets and by the way they mesopotamia it is from sumer and above civilizations in iraq is 8000 years old and the agriculture in it and the said kurds they have civilization because they invaded iraq and the first alphbet and the writting is in iraq so do not tell me that ottoman regaind the iraqi culture this bullshit they never liked iraq, and by the way the first in the world is in mesopotmia (iraq) and everything and if anyone does not like iraq from upper north of mesopotmia until the very south of mesopotmia which the uppor north is from turkey and coming to syria which the rivers for iraq and this the fact and if any hates iraq because it is the first land of the prophets and the original one this the people not mine and also , i want to tell i am not i said i am not an anti-kurk because they invaded sulaimania kurkuk irbil and dahuk and the rest mesopotamia and claiming they have civilization and also the first agricultural development in the world more tens of thousands of years old my dear and god bless you and have a good time .  



Look, I don't understand what you are trying to prove. You said that Iraq was the land where everything originated. Can you give any examples about what originated in Iraq? You mentioned that the agricultural system, irrigation and others originated in Iraq. That is wrong, since everywhere man went, he was a farmer. Man was in Egypt, Central Asia, Indus valley, mesopotamia and some other places. Since he was a farmer, it should be noted that farming was his main occupation and he lived because. The fact that man still lives inthe above places reflects that he had been practising agriculture and irrigation from the very beginning. There are reports that the Egyptians and the Indus valley people were great farmers and irrigators. So, considering the above points I mentioned, you cannot say that agriculture was started first in Mesopotamia!!!
You mentioned that Iraq is a land of Prophets from the very beginning. Let me clear you of this.
The first man and prophet on Earth was Prophet Adam(pbuh). When the Almighty Allah drove him from Paradise, Prophet Adam(pbuh) fell in the present island of Sri Lanka and Bibi Ha'wa(pbuh), his wife, fell somewhere near Northeast Africa. Due to Allah's guidance, they both traced their steps towards the present land of northern Saudi Arabia. They moved southwards and due to Allah's blessings, they multiplied. At the same time, the house of Allah, the Kaa'ba was re-built by Prophet Adam(pbuh) and his children. The next Prophets to come were Prophets Hud and Nuh(pbut). They were in the present Bahrain and Kuwait respectively.
Then there were other Prophets like Ibrahim, Musa, Ismail, Ishaq, Lut, Yaqub, Yusuf, Da'ud, Sulaiman, Khizr, Zachchariyya, Shoib, Idris, Illias, Isa(pbut) who were in and around the present day Palestine. None of them traced their origins in Iraq. Then came the Holy Prophet Muhammed(pbuh), who was born in Makkah. As you see Sadiq, out of the 24 Prophets mentioned in the Holy Qur'an, 16 of them I have mentioned here. The rest 8 of them lived in the land of Madain(somewhere near Palestine, Jordan and Syria). So if you know any other Prophet than these 24 Prophets who was born and lived in Iraq, please do tell me. I do not say that there were no Prophets in Iraq, since Allah himself has mentioned in one of the Aayaat in the Qur'an that He has sent a Prophet in every place on Earth.
There is also a Hadith saying that there were more than 124,000 Prophets Allah has sent down on Earth!!! Almighty God!!! The figure 24 is nowhere near this number!!!
So, what I tried to prove was that the Earliest Prophets were not in Iraq alone, but they were spread all over the middle east. And as the Humans migrated from there to other parts of the world, Almighty Allah ssent Prophets to that lands too.



sadiq2006 -> RE: Does Israel have a right to exist? (10/10/2006 3:00:29 PM)

[:@] first Mr. PL Project first mesopotamia was the first country in ther world that developed the agricultural and everything in it second the prophets were from iraq first prophets like ****h and idris and noah and abraham and lut and yunes and all then they traveled to jerusulem the capital of palestine , then prophet adam was not in sri lanka it is all lie and do not be stupit about that and then his wife hawa was not in africa it is all bullshit from you do not know any of the history and second the generations of the human race was from prophet noah how lived and his three sons yafith sam and ham and after the flood they left babel and spread through out of the world and the prophets were originated from iraq (mesopotamia) read the history and then adam and his wife are only in the middle east not in india or srilanka it is all big lie and bullshit and the first agricultural was in iraq and developed in iraq and spread there way of aggriculture to the middel east and also what i read to europe , so if you like iraq and there prophets this is your problem because iraq is the LAND OF THE PROPHETS AND ALSO WHAT READ THAT ADAM WAS ALSO IN IRAQ AND THAT'S FACT OR IN ARABIAN PENESULA NOT IN SRILANKA ,SO PLEASE DO NOT BE FOOL IN HISTORY AND HIS WIFE NEVER WAS IN AFRICA SO DO NOT BE CRAZY , SO THAT EVERYTHING WAS in iraq first.[;)]



sadiq2006 -> RE: Does Israel have a right to exist? (10/10/2006 3:05:33 PM)

[:@]first Mr. PL Project first mesopotamia was the first country in ther world that developed the agricultural and everything in it second the prophets were from iraq first prophets like ****h and idris and noah and abraham and lut and yunes and all then they traveled to jerusulem the capital of palestine , then prophet adam was not in sri lanka it is all lie and do not be stupit about that and then his wife hawa was not in africa it is all bullshit from you do not know any of the history and second the generations of the human race was from prophet noah how lived and his three sons yafith sam and ham and after the flood they left babel and spread through out of the world and the prophets were originated from iraq (mesopotamia) read the history and then adam and his wife are only in the middle east not in india or srilanka it is all big lie and bullshit and the first agricultural was in iraq and developed in iraq and spread there way of aggriculture to the middel east and also what i read to europe , so if you do not like iraq and there prophets this is your problem because iraq is the LAND OF THE PROPHETS AND ALSO WHAT i READ THAT ADAM WAS ALSO IN IRAQ AND THAT'S FACT OR IN ARABIAN PENESULA because the first prophets it was in iraq NOT IN SRILANKA ,SO PLEASE DO NOT BE FOOL IN HISTORY AND HIS WIFE NEVER WAS IN AFRICA SO DO NOT BE CRAZY , SO THAT EVERYTHING WAS in iraq first and also i do not know about other prophets because maybe they were not so important and also the prophets in palestine when abraham traveled there he got married and gave many birth after him that is when they left iraq .[;)]



PL Project -> RE: Does Israel have a right to exist? (10/11/2006 6:22:27 AM)

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[:@]first Mr. PL Project first mesopotamia was the first country in ther world that developed the agricultural and everything in it


Just because you're an Iraqi, you can't to say that everything originated in Iraq. I am really astonished by knowing that your knowledge in history is ABSOLUTELY NIL.

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 second the prophets were from iraq first prophets like ****h


Who's this???

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 and idris and noah and abraham and lut and yunes and all then they traveled to jerusulem the capital of palestine


You are an absolute fool. At first, you said every Prophet originated in Iraq and preached there and passed away THERE. Now you're saying they originated in Iraq and moved to Palestine!!! Allah sent them to the places He wished. Not to the place you are saying. You can't change history by your childish thinking!!! Try to accept the facts or leave this place.

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ORIGINAL: sadiq2006
 then prophet adam was not in sri lanka it is all lie and do not be stupit about that and then his wife hawa was not in africa it is all bullshit from you do not know any of the history


I don't say that Prophet Adam(pbuh) was in Sri Lanka. I said that Allah put him on the island of Sri Lanka and he traced his way to the middle east. The same thing with Bibi Hawa. She was put somewhere in the Northeast Africa by Allah and she traced her way back to the Middle East. Don't boast about your meagre knowledge in history. You talk as if Allah has placed the Crown of knowledge in history on your head which contains nothing but 8 gram of brain!!!
If you want to know the history of the Prophets, mail your questions to:
ltrs_editorymd@rediffmail.com
You'll get your answers in the monthly edition of Young Muslim Digest answered by Maulana Syed Iqbal Zaheer, the editor of the Magazine.
Or you can get your questions answered by an eminent, internationally acclaimed scholar, Dr. Zakir Naik, President, Islamic Research Foundation, at:
zakir@irf.net

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 and second the generations of the human race was from prophet noah how lived and his three sons yafith sam and ham and after the flood they left babel and spread through out of the world


I agree that all the people present today are the descendents of Prophet Adam(pbuh) and Prophet Nuh(pbuh).  But ProphetNuh(pbuh) is in no way connected to Iraq. He lived in the present Kuwait. Of course his children spread throughout the world and some of them went to Iraq too. But Prophet Nuh(pbuh) never went to Iraq. After The Flood, he travelled east and settled in Midian.

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ORIGINAL: sadiq2006
 and the prophets were originated from iraq (mesopotamia) read the history


Before answering you, I always consult my books on the History of Islam and the Prophets. Till now, I have never read any of the 24 Prophets mentioned in the Holy Qur'an have originated in Iraq. Ofcourse a few of them did go to Iraq but only for the cause of Allah, the Almighty.

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ORIGINAL: sadiq2006
 and then adam and his wife are only in the middle east not in india or srilanka it is all big lie and bullshit


I agree they were in the Middle east, I just said that they came from Sri Lanka and Africa respectively. You cannot denounce the words of great historians and Muslim scholars as big lies and bullshit!!! I don't think you know anything about the Adam's Bridge present in the Palk Straits. It was constructed by Prophet Adam(pbuh).

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ORIGINAL: sadiq2006
 and the first agricultural was in iraq and developed in iraq and spread there way of aggriculture to the middel east and also what i read to europe


I disagree with you. If agriculture was to spread from Iraq to the world, then the people in distant lands would have been starved to death till one of them came to Iraq to borrow the method of agriculture from Iraq and return to his own country!!!

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ORIGINAL: sadiq2006
 so if you do not like iraq and there prophets this is your problem


It is your problem that you think I do not like Iraq.

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ORIGINAL: sadiq2006
 because iraq is the LAND OF THE PROPHETS AND ALSO WHAT i READ THAT ADAM WAS ALSO IN IRAQ AND THAT'S FACT OR IN ARABIAN PENESULA because the first prophets it was in iraq NOT IN SRILANKA ,


Iraq is not a land of Prophets, it is a land of fools and ignorant people like you. I was just suspecting about it, but after my conversations with you, I have confirmed my belief. Once again let me remind you, I did not say that Prophet Adam(pbuh) was not in Sri Lanka, HE CAME FROM THERE.

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ORIGINAL: sadiq2006
SO PLEASE DO NOT BE FOOL IN HISTORY AND HIS WIFE NEVER WAS IN AFRICA SO DO NOT BE CRAZY ,


Just because you are a fool, don't consider me also to be like you!!!

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ORIGINAL: sadiq2006
 SO THAT EVERYTHING WAS in iraq first and also i do not know about other prophets because maybe they were not so important


God Forbid!!! Such words come out only from Non-Muslims and Kafirs. Every Prophet was and is important. Their works are priceless and they were the Noblest of all Humans, sent by Allah as His chosen people to guide the misbelievers on Earth. After seeing your words, I doubt if you are a Muslim!!!

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ORIGINAL: sadiq2006
 and also the prophets in palestine when abraham traveled there he got married and gave many birth after him that is when they left iraq .[;)]


Prophet Ibrahim(pbuh) did not marry when he travelled to Palestine. He was already married. Then he travelled to Makkah where he and his son Prophet Ismail(pbuh) re-built the Kaa'bah.

I don't think that you're a Muslim after seeing your previous post. Your words about the Prophets are disgusting.



sadiq2006 -> RE: Does Israel have a right to exist? (10/11/2006 5:41:58 PM)

[:@] first your in prophets are sodiscusting to me second i did not say passed away in iraq they originated in the first land of the prophets you big crazy fool and also the are adam i am sure and also 100% shih and idris and noah and abraham how lived in ur city south of iraq and lut and also yunis but then one of the king of mesopotmia tried to kill prophet adam by fire so god blessed him and helped to escape from you crazy fool and went to palestine and lived but he also sufferd there in palestine much more than in iraq and about noah the flood was spread in many places espacially in the middle east because he was in iraq not in kuwait so this is really stupid of you to say in kuwait and also adam was not in sir lanka to allah to send there this is also bullshit from crazy histoey of yours and i have many many islamic books much better than your books and also do not say that the agriculture was in iraq because the first in the world to be developed in a very very wonderful way and about also noah he was in iraq there are so many evidence he was in iraq when the flood finished his was sent to north of mesopotmia (iraq) his ark ship is there and about also abraham he was born in iraq like i told in the city of ur south of iraq and he is originaly from iraq and most of the prophets then when traveled to jeruselam he got married to hajer the woman from egypt because his first wife sarah could not bring a baby because there something wrong with herwhen she90 years and abaraham was maybe more than 100 years old god blessed him with a boy name ishhac and hajer ismail so all the prophets are original roots comes from abraham and their roots are iraq from abraham becuase many many books of islam so respect yourself about me and do not say you foolshit that iraqis do not understand they the people in the world are educated and they these things much better than any one about the prophets , so like i told you prophets of iraq (mesopotmia) are shih , idris , noah , abraham , lut , yunos , and 100% adam also and there are many proves not that ones that you are reading correctly and adam like you said travelled to mecca to build the holy house of allah (kaaba) , and adam did not sent by allah to sri lanka and his wife eve did not sent to africa this bullshit from you and the fake history you are reading because this is discusting and from what i said that agriculral in iraq (mesopotmia) devloped because this land very easy to make things everything easy there because there no to much mountains to make it dificult to develop so that is why it was the source of agricultural and it ways spread to many places , and thats the civilizations iraq was very very early from sumer and akkad and babylon and chaldean and assyria and amorian and aramiens and civilizations around (mesopotmia) learnd many many things and it is also spread to indus valley to india far away land that it is blessed with prophets and there teachings , and BABYLON WAS VERY IMPORTANT TO THE PROPHETS BECAUSE THE FIRST LIKE I TOLD WERE BORN THERE AND RAISED , that is why it is civilization expanded 8000 years ago from sumer and akkad and babylon and chaldean and assyrian and amorians and aramians and the mesopotmians were very very religous people and there thoughts to many places around them and many many things they did , that it why it is blessed like told with the prophets because of their teachings and that is why i feel that the iraqis are proud of there heritage and the country to invent the number digit zero god bless iraq (mesopotmia) so many prophets are decent from his two sons ishac and ismail , and also i am not iraqi but i rexpect the iraqis cultural because all the world knows that the prophets originated from iraq and the muslims knows that also now you why PL Project.[;)]



jukka -> RE: Does Israel have a right to exist? (10/13/2006 8:09:47 AM)

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Why should the Arab countries sign a peace deal with Israel just to make it feel secure??? Israel has encroached the Palestinian land unlawfully, with the help of US and Britain and you say that it should feel secure there??? It is already secure with nuclear weapons given by the US and by the support of them. This occupying of lands surrounding it for 'security' is only an excuse offered by the Israelis to conquer the lands of the Arab countries.


How can you make peace with someone who hates you and wants to destroy you? They already started giving the land back (Gaza) but the islamofascists f-upped everything again.

Israel conquered the territories surrounding it by defending itself againts neighbouring countries. I dont think they want to give the land back to the palestinians who want to destroy their country. Do you see how silly you are now?



Lucifer -> RE: Does Israel have a right to exist? (10/13/2006 4:47:49 PM)

Muslims were never responsible for what happened to the Jews in the Secound World War, and all the atrocities committed against them were done by Hitler and the Nazies and I think that they were christains, and nobody, I mean a political assembly engineered by the victors of that silly war has the right to give a country that they do not own to any third party in this world. Let the world give the best peice of Germany to them. I think that the Germans are more civilised and hospitable and Germany has more green scenary than Palastine. For example Bavaria, what do you think Arian??? 



PL Project -> RE: Does Israel have a right to exist? (10/14/2006 6:29:50 AM)

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ORIGINAL: sadiq2006

[:@] first your in prophets are sodiscusting to me


Now, I have confirmed that you are not a Muslim. Hence, I'll show you my violent side. Just watch...

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ORIGINAL: sadiq2006
 second i did not say passed away in iraq they originated in the first land of the prophets you big crazy fool


You a******, it was you who said that the Prophets were in Iraq and some of them migrated to Palestine and other rubbish. You said that and now you regret it. You just come on serious forums like and post junk and crap here. That's it!!!

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ORIGINAL: sadiq2006
 and also the are adam i am sure and also 100% shih and idris and noah and abraham how lived in ur city south of iraq


I don't live in Iraq, as you say - "...in ur city south of Iraq...". Let me remind you that Prophet Adam(pbuh) just passed from Iraq when he was travelling to Saudi Arabia. At that time, there were only two humans and hence it would be naive to say that he 'settled' there!!! Prophet Shish(pbuh) also was born in Arabia. He had a striking resemblance to Prophet Adam(pbuh) and thus was his favourite. Moreover, Allah had pre-informed Prophet Adam(pbuh) that the blessed Prophet Muhammed(saws) would be a descendant of Prophet Shish(pbuh). Prophet Idris(pbuh) came in Yemen, to the people of Qabil. Prophet Nuh(pbuh) came in Kuwait. Prophet Ibrahim(pbuh) came in Turkey or Syria.

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ORIGINAL: sadiq2006
 and lut and also yunis


Prophet Lut(pbuh) came in Arabia before migrating to Egypt. Prophet Yunus(pbuh) was born in Palestine before being sold by his brothers to Egyptians.

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ORIGINAL: sadiq2006
 but then one of the king of mesopotmia tried to kill prophet adam by fire so god blessed him and helped to escape from you crazy fool


When Prophet Adam(pbuh) lived, he was the only king and all the people respected him. No Mesopotamian King or Monarch did any harm to him. It was Prophet Ibrahim(pbuh) whom a Turkish King tried to kill by throwing him into fire. The cave is present in the present suburbs of Turkey where this incident is said to have happened. Since the cave is in Turkey, it will be naive to think that it was an Iraqi ruler who put him in fire. F****** like you think that without any proof!!!

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ORIGINAL: sadiq2006
 and went to palestine and lived but he also sufferd there in palestine much more than in iraq


Prophet Adam(pbuh) went where ever Allah commanded him to guide the misbelievers. He did not settle anywhere. As for Prophet Ibrahim(pbuh), he kept travelling and preaching about Allah.

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ORIGINAL: sadiq2006
 and about noah the flood was spread in many places espacially in the middle east because he was in iraq not in kuwait so this is really stupid of you to say in kuwait and also adam was not in sir lanka to allah to send there this is also bullshit from crazy histoey of yours


The flood during the period of Prophet Nuh(pbuh) was not spread to many places. IT CAME IN ALL THE PLACES!!! He was in Kuwait and then went elsewhere after the flood. Prophet Adam(pbuh) LANDED IN SRI LANKA!!! You f****** Non-Muslim cannot deny the history of the Prophet written by great historians such as Tabari and Baladhuri. And this is not crazy history. It is crazy people like you who do not see the truth. Years of misguidedness has decayed the part of your brain which judges and accepts the truth!!!

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ORIGINAL: sadiq2006
 and i have many many islamic books much better than your books


You mean to say that the authors who have written the books which are inferior to your thoughts? Let me give you a list of the authors whose books I have...

Prof. Masadul Hasan
Prof. Shibli Nu'mani
Tabari
Baladhuri
Maulana Syed Iqbal Zaheer
Allama Mohammed Shihabuddin Nadvi
Maulana Aneesur Rahman Nadvi
Dr. Zakir Naik
Sheik Ahmad Hussein Deedat
Abdus Sattar Ghawri
Maulana Harun Yahya  etc.
The above scholars are the undisputed champions in producing history in awesome precision and accuracy. Can I ask a list of books which YOU have???

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ORIGINAL: sadiq2006
 and also do not say that the agriculture was in iraq


I never said that. Infact, I am proving that!!!

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ORIGINAL: sadiq2006
and about also noah he was in iraq there are so many evidence he was in iraq when the flood finished his was sent to north of mesopotmia (iraq) his ark ship is there


The ark stopped on top of the Mountain Judi, which is in Kuwait. And what are those 'evidence' you are speaking about. If you have courage, post them out here, and then I'll cut the bulls out of your balls!!!

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ORIGINAL: sadiq2006
 and about also abraham he was born in iraq like i told in the city of ur south of iraq and he is originaly from iraq and most of the prophets then when traveled to jeruselam he got married to hajer the woman from egypt because his first wife sarah could not bring a baby because there something wrong with herwhen she90 years and abaraham was maybe more than 100 years old god blessed him with a boy name ishhac and hajer ismail


Prophet Ibrahim(pbuh) was born in Turkey.And what do you mean by saying '...in the city of ur south of Iraq...'? Do you mean to say that even I was born in Iraq??? You are doomed. If you're npt stopped now, you'll go on saying that all the people on Earth were born in Iraq and then they went to their current places!!! I've already told you that Iam from Bangalore and not from Iraq. And what bad remarks have you made in the above quote about the wives of the Prophet Ibrahim(pbuh)!!! You better consult some Imam, Maulana or Allama to restore your knowledge about the Prophets!!!

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ORIGINAL: sadiq2006
 so all the prophets are original roots comes from abraham and their roots are iraq from abraham becuase many many books of islam so respect yourself about me and do not say you foolshit that iraqis do not understand they the people in the world are educated and they these things much better than any one about the prophets,


You are a fellow of immense knowledge about bullshit in your 8g brain!!! Prophet Ibrahim(pbuh) is not the root of the family tree of the Prophets. Prophet Adam(pbuh) was. And you're wrong in saying that 'many many books' have this description. This is just another lie from your mouth. I challenge you to bring any proof of it and post it here. I'll then see the authenticity of your posts and then declare if you are right in your words or you're just another Bush!!!

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ORIGINAL: sadiq2006
 so like i told you prophets of iraq (mesopotmia) are shih , idris , noah , abraham , lut , yunos , and 100% adam also and there are many proves not that ones that you are reading correctly and adam like you said travelled to mecca to build the holy house of allah (kaaba)


All the above Prophets were never born in Iraq!!! And mind you, what you've mentioned as Shih is actually Prophet Shish(pbuh). Pay respect to Allah by writing His name starting with a capital letter. Or shall I assume that the keys Caps Lock and Shift are not working on your keyboard!!!

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ORIGINAL: sadiq2006
 and adam did not sent by allah to sri lanka and his wife eve did not sent to africa this bullshit from you and the fake history you are reading because this is discusting


You can't judge anything as fake without weighing its pros and cons!!! I've judged you correctly and have come to a conclusion that you are a Satan in the form of a Human or a Human in the form of a Satan!!!

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ORIGINAL: sadiq2006
 and from what i said that agriculral in iraq (mesopotmia) devloped because this land very easy to make things everything easy there because there no to much mountains to make it dificult to develop so that is why it was the source of agricultural and it ways spread to many places


In this way, then the land of Amazon, Nile and Sindh are much more fertile and flat. So shall we say that agriculture started in these very lands on this basis???

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ORIGINAL: sadiq2006
 and thats the civilizations iraq was very very early from sumer and akkad and babylon and chaldean and assyria and amorian and aramiens and civilizations around (mesopotmia) learnd many many things and it is also spread to indus valley to india far away land that it is blessed with prophets and there teachings


You are an absolute a******!!!

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ORIGINAL: sadiq2006
 and BABYLON WAS VERY IMPORTANT TO THE PROPHETS BECAUSE THE FIRST LIKE I TOLD WERE BORN THERE AND RAISED , that is why it is civilization expanded 8000 years ago from sumer and akkad and babylon and chaldean and assyrian and amorians and aramians and the mesopotmians were very very religous people and there thoughts to many places around them and many many things they did ,


I know how religious these sumer, akkad, babylon, chaldean, amorians, assyrians, aramians and mesopotamians were. Here is a breif account of them:

They worshipped numerous Gods out of which some are here:

1. The fire God - Qu'ra
2. The rain God - Behel
3. The God of floods - Shura
4. The God of earth - Thafaqi
5. The God of stars - Huma
6. The sun God - Ron
7. The God of storm - Qutam
8. The God of dust - Qutail
9. The God of Lightning - Futab
etc.

Now, you call these people as religious. Hence if you feel that you are religious, you may be practising this. Therefore how can we trust a polytheist like you. Right here all your previous words have been proved wrong. Hence I can now say that all the 24 Prophets mentioned in Islam were not in Iraq but elsewhere!!!

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ORIGINAL: sadiq2006
 that it why it is blessed like told with the prophets because of their teachings and that is why i feel that the iraqis are proud of there heritage and the country to invent the number digit zero god


If you think that Iraq is blessed with religious people who worship only Allah, then it is pointless to think that these people needed a Prophet from Allah to guide them in the correct path, since, as you say, they were already on the right path. Hence, it is proved again that that the Prophets were not in Iraq but elsewhere. I have proved it twice by quoting your own words.

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ORIGINAL: sadiq2006
 bless iraq (mesopotmia) so many prophets are decent from his two sons ishac and ismail , and also i am not iraqi but i rexpect the iraqis cultural because all the world knows that the prophets originated from iraq and the muslims knows that also now you why PL Project.[;)]


No doubt that many Prophets came from the descendants of Prophet Ibrahim(pbuh). But before him many many more of them had come into existence. You're not an Iraqi, then too you act like some of them. Even I respect the culture of the Iraqis. And you're mistaken in saying that the whole world knows of your lies. I myself came to know that fanatics like you do exist in the world!!! Go and ask any Muslim in any corner of the Earth, and he will say you are the same Satan who came Prophet Ibrahim(pbuh) and Prophet Ismail(pbuh).

VERILY, YOU ARE ONE OF THE MISGUIDED



PL Project -> RE: Does Israel have a right to exist? (10/14/2006 6:46:29 AM)

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ORIGINAL: jukka

How can you make peace with someone who hates you and wants to destroy you?


That's what I am saying!!! How can you make peace with Israel when it wants to destroy the Arab countries??? Infact, prior to the start of the Israeli-Lebanon war, the Hizbollah leaders called Israel for discussions to settle the peace in the area. But the Israelis were adament and just refused straight away. Before the start of the war, however, Hizbollah was thinking of returning the two Israeli soldiers. Seeing their plans to conquer the Lebanese territory adjoining the Lebenon-Israel border losing steam by this decision of Hizbollah, the Israelis then said that they WILL wage a war on Hizbollah even if the latter surrendered the prisoneres to them. Now, what do you have got to say about this???

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ORIGINAL: jukka
 They already started giving the land back (Gaza) but the islamofascists f-upped everything again.


Yes they did start giving the land back which they had grabbed. They need a whole century to return it??? Hence the Palestinians appealed to the Israelis to fasten the process. The Israelis created a mess out of it and said that the Palestinians were threatening them!!! Likewise, the Palestinians had to suffer again.

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ORIGINAL: jukka
Israel conquered the territories surrounding it by defending itself againts neighbouring countries.


It conquered territories by attacking them, not by defending itself!!! If you want more details about the Israeli history and relations with the neighbouring countries and the wars it waged, just ask me and I'll prove it to you that in its whole history, Israel has been the aggressor.

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ORIGINAL: jukka
 I dont think they want to give the land back to the palestinians who want to destroy their country.


Yes they don't want to give the conquered lands back. The Palestinians, in no ways want to destroy Israel. They are extremely ill-equipped. They just want their lands back.

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ORIGINAL: jukka
 Do you see how silly you are now?


After all I have posted above, its you who should be feeling silly, sorry and repenting!!!




sadiq2006 -> RE: Does Israel have a right to exist? (10/14/2006 7:36:29 AM)

[:@][:@][:@] first Mr. PL Project you are discusting from these stupid books you are reading and from your stupit culture and discusting and second i am american not iraqi , and also the first prophets are in iraq (mesopotamia) Prophet adam 100 or 90% sure and seth the third son of adam was in iraq and then idris and then noah and abraham how is from ur the south city of iraq and prophet lut and yunes and he was not born in palestine and there is evedence i read that he was born pelatine and also when prophet abraham traveled from city of ur south iraq went to harran the uppor city north of mesopotamia not turkey you basterd and then went to palestine and had two children ishaac and ismail and from came all the prophets and there are roots fro iraq because prophet abraham the father of the was born in ur the south city or iraq i read many many many many islamic books about that you stupid bullshit crazy basterd you like iraq and culture is the best culture in the world came from the first writting and astronomy and army and also religous and many many things from 8000 years ago civilization and tens of thousands history of agricultural and the writting started from prophet idirs when he was born babylon in iraq and knowing the asronomy and the mathematics you bullshit and he went to egypt to teach with people with him from iraq went to egypt so go to iraq and the iraqis HAVE many many many proves about that you bullshit and also LIKE I SAID I AM AN AMERICAN AND LIKE I MESOPOTAMIA HAS THE AGRICULTURAL IN THE WORLD BECAUSE IT HAD A FLAT LAND MAKES VERY THE PLACES THAT YOU MENTIONED IS NOT LIKE IRAQ AND EGYPT IS NOT LIKE BECAUSE HAS MUCH MORE WATER AND FERTILE MORE THAN EGYPT, you PL Project bullshit piece of garbage you are big big garbage and you are a discustig i do not what crazy culture you are reading and from which crazy people they are fooling you with that and if i see you see in united arab emirates i swear to allah the mighty god i will kill you basterd it seems YOU DO NOT LIKE THIER CULTURE BECAUSE IT IS SIMPLY THE CULTURE IN THE WOLRD AND MAYBE SOMEONE TOLD ABOUT IRAQ IN A BAD WAY AND AGAIN IF YOU EVER SAY THE PLACES OF NOAH IS OR ABARAM WHERE HE WAS I AM FIGHT YOU FOR THAT YOU READING A DISCUSTING BOOKS FROM YOUR CRAZY CULTURE IN WHICH YOU ARE AND I DO NOT CARE , IRAQ IS THE LAND OF THE FIRST PROPHETS AND THE CRADLE OF CIVILIZATIONS YOU BASTERD. [:@][:@][:@] 



sadiq2006 -> RE: Does Israel have a right to exist? (10/14/2006 7:48:04 AM)

AND ALSO MR. PL Project the first cities in the world and the oldest and the first agriculture villages developed in the world in iraq.



sadiq2006 -> RE: Does Israel have a right to exist? (10/14/2006 8:06:19 AM)

[:@] first Mr. PL Project do not ever say that Prophet abraham is from crazy turkey, because when he traveled like i told before from ur the city of south iraq went from there and them settled in haran ciry the uppor north of mesopotamia the iraqi culture and his father azer died their even his uncle haran died in iraq , and also haran is the father of prophet lut (peace be upon him) and travled with prophet abraham (peace be upon him) to haran and then to palestine, so this is why the iraqis are proud of culture because allah gave this the first blessing of the prophets (peace be upon them)and to born there and leave iraq because many things, so iraq is the first country by the blessing of the prophets, GOD BLESS IRAQ AND THE PEOPLE. [;)]



sadiq2006 -> RE: Does Israel have a right to exist? (10/14/2006 8:12:25 AM)

[:D] WHAT I KNOW ABOUT PL PROJECT THAT YOU DO NOT KNOW MORE ABOUT MESOPOTMIA AND THE BLESSING OF THE FIRST PEOPHETS IN THIS LAND AND HOW IT IS SO IMPORTANT TO ALLAH THE MIGHTY GOD AND UNTIL THE DAY OF JUGHTMENT , AND ALSO WHAT I KNOW FROM YOUR SPEECH THAT IN YOUR COUNTRY ARE FOOLING YOU ABOUT IRAQ AND TO SAY (IRAQ HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PROPHETS) THIS SO SILLY I DO NOT KNOW HOW THEY ARE TEACHING ABOUT IRAQ IN A VERY VERY WRONG , AND ALSO ANYBODY HOW DOES NOT ABOUT IRAQ THAT TO MUCH , THAT PERSON DOES NOT KNOW HOW THE ORIGINAL CIVILIZATION THEY DEVELOPED , I REALLY FEEL PITY PITY FOR YOU PL PROJECT , AND LIKE I SAID IF YOU EVER CAME IN UNITED ARAB EMIRATES AND I KNEW ABOUT IN THE FUTURE I WILL KILL YOU. [:@]



sadiq2006 -> RE: Does Israel have a right to exist? (10/14/2006 8:16:24 AM)

[;)] AND ALSO PL PROJECT IF YOU DO NOT TESPECT IRAQ CULTURE AND THE PORPHETS OF IRAQ AND THE TRUTH ABOUT THEM IN IRAQ THEN LEAVE IRAQ4U.COM SITE AND THE FUROM FROM IT AND NEVER COME BACK.



jukka -> RE: Does Israel have a right to exist? (10/15/2006 10:22:23 AM)

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That's what I am saying!!! How can you make peace with Israel when it wants to destroy the Arab countries??? Infact, prior to the start of the Israeli-Lebanon war, the Hizbollah leaders called Israel for discussions to settle the peace in the area. But the Israelis were adament and just refused straight away. Before the start of the war, however, Hizbollah was thinking of returning the two Israeli soldiers. Seeing their plans to conquer the Lebanese territory adjoining the Lebenon-Israel border losing steam by this decision of Hizbollah, the Israelis then said that they WILL wage a war on Hizbollah even if the latter surrendered the prisoneres to them. Now, what do you have got to say about this???


The hizbollah was shooting rockets and killed Israeli soldiers prior to Israeli attack on Lebanon. Call that a declaration of war. By the way I strongly disagree with Israel how they handled the war. They were wrong in damaging Lebanon so seriously.

quote:

Yes they did start giving the land back which they had grabbed. They need a whole century to return it??? Hence the Palestinians appealed to the Israelis to fasten the process. The Israelis created a mess out of it and said that the Palestinians were threatening them!!! Likewise, the Palestinians had to suffer again.


Unlike you may think PL, with all the nukes they have they dont necessarily feel themselves secure. Rockets, mortars and explosive devices + suicide bombers can do terrible damage. Even hizbollah could put up against israel even they are an inferior fighting force.

When Hamas came to power and declared Israel had to be destroyed how do you think they would react to that?

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It conquered territories by attacking them, not by defending itself!!! If you want more details about the Israeli history and relations with the neighbouring countries and the wars it waged, just ask me and I'll prove it to you that in its whole history, Israel has been the aggressor.


Sometimes attack is the best defence. Arab states were planning an attack and Israel existence was at stake. Israel made a bold suprise attack and gained much territory. Thats probably the reason Israel exists this day.

Even my country attacked the Soviet Union in the WW2 to defend itself. SU had already previously attacked us and my country protected itself by attacking SU to be better protected. And im happy for that.




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