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ariannationkurdistan -> sard wants to remove our right for self determination (2/19/2006 8:55:59 AM)

http://www.krg.org/
If there is a democratic government in Iraq, nobody has the right to call for the establishment of federalism anywhere in Iraq whether it is the south, north, middle or any other part of Iraq," he said.


what is the answer of the kurds
he should not even have the right to say this
who is he to say this it  is not his decision ,
this is a redline and a blueprint for war
this is a serious threat to our existence and this shows us again the real face of arabs ,
they do not want us to decide and shape our  future
he wants to make us slaves again

i am really shocked by his comments
this man is a terrorist from the beginning , he should be really carefull , by what he is saying
every kurdish man has a weapon in his house , everyone able to fight , will fight
one order and we all are armed and ready to fight
this man has said recently that he will fight alongside iran and syria
the two nations are our enemies , noe he says that he does not want federalism




tigris81 -> RE: sard wants to remove our right for self determination (2/19/2006 4:44:59 PM)

 
I dont understand who you are talking about but I assume its Sadr (not 'sard'!).

Well, the guy is a hypocrite and an opportunist in my view. If he really is against federalism, then why did he side the UIA (list 555) during the elections? and why didnt he urge his followers to vote against the constitution during last years refrendum?. If his followers voted no then it would have easily be rejected and if he didnt side with the UIA, then the UIA would have lost alot of seats. So the guy is either plain stupid or a hypocrite.

Despite that, i still think that you are making a bid deal out of this. let him say what he wants, just like what others let Barzani say what he wants about kirkuk. I think your claims about Sadr wanting to make Kurds slaves are non-sense but good propaganda.
 



ariannationkurdistan -> RE: sard wants to remove our right for self determination (2/20/2006 9:25:16 AM)

sadr is an enemy of the kurds
he has to  be seen as a vital threat to our existence and rights
this threat has to be terminated as soon as possible
if there is not another option then war , then it should be war
nobody has the right to take away our rights
one million kurds have died for it and another million including me are ready to die for it



Jaafer -> RE: sard wants to remove our right for self determination (3/2/2006 4:33:05 PM)

 
I do not like the siding of AlSader and his movement with the 555 traitors. But what him and his movement  have done by this move is to prevent the splits inside the Shia’ people of Iraq. I think this is only because of the Bloody Time of President Saddam Hussien (regardless of the reason). They already have unshakable alliance with the heroes of the Resistanec of the Iraqi, Arab, Muslim and the World; Al-Sunna, so this cement more than 60% of the honourables of Iraq (even inside the “Parliament.”). This majority is more than capable in overcoming any attempt to further destroy Iraq and it will lead ensha' Allah it to full liberation. I wish he has took a straight forward approach solution by at least standing by himself but who are we to know what is happening inside Iraq and the pressures the honourable leading figures are under.

Most probably who has exploded Sammeria’ Mosque in addition to the occupies are ignorant and criminal Kurds or/and Yazeedes. None of them has any respect to Islam yet alone Iraq. The humiliation and the losses of the original explosion and what had followed will be answered likewise one way or another sooner or later. The blood of the 1300 and the 140 thousand Iraqis who died since this ongoing crime started will not be wasted. Anybody who want to divide Iraq, go and have your brains examined outside Iraq. Let your jewish/british/American masters pump in it what ever they want and you can believe anything you want, but Iraq is one and it has no place for the traitors and the back stabbers.  

The message to the Altalibane, Albarazane, AlTabtabie’ and AlJa’afaree creatures if you want to continue having your sick dreams, leave before the invaders because  we will pay you for the death and the destruction which you have caused to our country.

One Iraq
One Capital
One Flag      
Viva Iraq



Harry -> RE: sard wants to remove our right for self determination (3/2/2006 5:10:39 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: ariannationkurdistan
he should not even have the right to say this
who is he to say this it  is not his decision ,
this is a redline and a blueprint for war


It is called “FREEDOM OF SPEECH”, “FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION”.
Get used to it buddy. You are not the only one who has the right to speak your mind. Freedom is for all, not only for a certain group but not others. If you don’t like it, Afghanistan has a lot of empty land, you can go there and shout your ideas without anyone offending you sensitive feelings.



Harry -> RE: sard wants to remove our right for self determination (3/2/2006 5:16:12 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: ariannationkurdistan
one million kurds have died for it and another million including me are ready to die for it


Go right ahead, what's stopping you?



Harry -> RE: sard wants to remove our right for self determination (3/2/2006 5:20:45 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: ariannationkurdistan

this threat has to be terminated as soon as possible


Federalism, and federalists are threats to Iraqi unity, and they also have to be terminated.



Harry -> RE: sard wants to remove our right for self determination (3/2/2006 5:25:24 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: ariannationkurdistan
i am really shocked by his comments


All you have to do is get your fingers out of the electrical outlet, your so called “SHOCK” will stop immediately. [:D][:D][sm=smiley36.gif]



ariannationkurdistan -> RE: sard wants to remove our right for self determination (3/3/2006 8:15:33 AM)

harry and jaafer
you both are terrorist supporters and you both will get what you deserve if you are not even able , to find a solution to the violence , then do not blame others

Most probably who has exploded Sammeria’ Mosque in addition to the occupies are ignorant and criminal Kurds or/and Yazeedes


you know and i know it
it was arabs , you arabs are alwyas the same and i have to generalize
i am sure it was yezdis and kurds who have destroyed the 300 sunni and shia mosques since then
you arabs have no honour and no faith ,
take the responsability , the ones responsable for the situation , are not  the united states , nor the zionists , nor the kurds and yezidi
i do not know why you hate and blame them
but arabs
i do not care , it was sunni or shia arabs
what i know , nearly everything is commited by arabs
you arabs destroy the sammara nosque
but instead
you blame kurds for it you arabs starts revenge kiillings but instead you blame some zionists agents where are they ?



wasted. Anybody who want to divide Iraq

yes those are the arabs with their revenge killings , look today, they have attacked a brick factory and killed 25 shia , yesterday , they tried to kill a sunni politician
these people are responsable for the division
and people like you too
you ignore the reality you ignore the kurds , you ignore the fact , that kurds make up a huge part of the iraqi society
if you do not want to live with us , then  say it
and we will declare our independence
but do not tell me  , that my home town is arab and that every valley and village is arebic too
this not right and you will be punished again for you behavour toward us



Harry -> RE: sard wants to remove our right for self determination (3/3/2006 9:42:08 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: ariannationkurdistan
harry and jaafer
you both are terrorist supporters and you both will get what you deserve if you are not even able , to find a solution to the violence , then do not blame others


You are trying to rip a country apart, and you are calling “US” terrorists? now that is the highest form of hypocrisy if I have ever seen one, and yes I do blame all those who are harming Iraq, even in the smallest effect.



Harry -> RE: sard wants to remove our right for self determination (3/3/2006 10:03:52 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: ariannationkurdistan
you ignore the reality you ignore the kurds , you ignore the fact , that kurds make up a huge part of the iraqi society
if you do not want to live with us , then  say it
and we will declare our independence


The only Kurds we do not want to live with are those of the likes of you, you can have your independence, but if you are brave enough, go fight for you so called Kurdistan in Turkey, Syria, and Iran first, then if there are any Kurds left, they can come and ask for independence from Iraq. However, you people are doing the only thing you are good for, that is, create more chaos every time Iraq is in a hardship situation.
 
The only Kurds that we ignore are those who want to divide Iraq, and where did you get the fact that Kurds are a huge part of Iraqi society? They never even helped themselves, not much Iraq. I have been in the north (where you call Kurdistan) the people there are so primitive that they reject all signs of advancements, most of them still use personal woven cloth to make their attire, over 90% of them still refuse to were modern type clothes. I am not saying that they should not be proud of their heritage, but don’t you think time is passing them by? And that is just one of many ways they reject advancements.
 
What I have seen with my own eyes have proven to me that all what you hear from the Kurdish propaganda is nothing but propaganda. A few newly constructed building here and there, a handful of poets, writers, and other “foreign educated” Kurds are in way to be called advancements.



ariannationkurdistan -> RE: sard wants to remove our right for self determination (3/3/2006 1:00:21 PM)

 people there are so primitive that they reject all signs of advancements, most of them still use personal woven cloth to make their attire, over 90% of them still refuse to were modern type clothes
 
 
you are even a  racist , i do not care about your so called personal views about kurdistan and kurds
yoU ARE IGNORANT ; RACISTIC AND YOU SUPPORT TERRORISM
A FeW NEWLY CONSTRUCTED BUILDINGS ?
Like 50.000 new houses in suilaimi alone
like 2 new international airports
like a three bilion upgrade program for new highways ,
i am sure that this
 
London (TheKurdistani.com) – Nazih Nujaoude, the general director of a Lebanese company in charge of building the Erbil Tower told the Turkish Ihlas news agency (IHA) that the construction of a four-tower skyscrapers and 37-storey shopping mall, the 5th largest shopping mall in the Middle East, will be finished in approximately four years.

Erbil Tower will be a 150-meter-high mall looming over the relatively prosperous Kurdistani city of Erbil, and it will host both commercial stores and office space in its towers.



Nujaoude told IHA that “This is first time Iraq has seen a project of this scale. We started this building on 100,000 square meters of land and are building according to the traditional architectural style of Erbil”.

Nujaoude added that "This shopping mall will have 37 floors and four skyscrapers. The first seven floors will host stores and recreation facilities. The other 30 floors will serve as office space. We plan to rent to 10,000 different companies. We have already rented some of the space. Furthermore, the shopping mall will have a garage for 6,000 cars. In my opinion, this shopping mall will serve as a very modern place for this region. We are aiming to finish the entire project in four years. I hope we will achieve it.”


The project Erbil Tower will consist of a large shopping mall, commercial offices, restaurants, a mosque, popular traditional Kurdistani markets, a 6000 cars capacity garage park.


The Erbil Tower sparked controversy among the people of Erbil as it is being built on an old cemetery dating back to 200 years. Nujaoude told the Turkish news agency that the cemetery will be reconstructed and conserved and will be decorated as parks and gardens within the mall.
 
and this

ERBIL, Kurdistan-Iraq, -- KUNA- Feb 25, 2006 The Kurdish Premier Nechirvan Barzani inaugurated Friday the Empire World project, covering 300,000 square meters west of Irbil and valued at USD 350 million.

Prime Minister of Kurdish regional government, Barzani said during the inauguration that the project would be a green light for investors, who would realize that the Kurdistan of Iraq has been a safe area for their investments.

"Soon, the National Assembly of Kurdistan of Iraq will issue a law to regulate investments," said Barzani, stressing that "investors' rights would be preserved by this law." The Kurdish government, he said, has been willing to present all facilities to anyone willing to invest in the area.

The Empire World project will be implemented by the Iraqi Consultants and Construction Bureau (ICCB) and Falcon Group. It would include a Five-star hotel, four small cities, resorts, restaurants and shopping malls.

Moreover, companies from Kuwait and the UAE have recently finished a study for a pioneering project to be implemented in three stages in the Kurdistani city of Sulaimani. The projects would cost USD 50-70 million and would take seven years to be completed. All taxes and tariffs would be waived from companies participating in the project for five years.


and this http://www.dreamcityerbil.com/ are just a few projects and everything is propaganda and that people rejects advancements in kurdistanif you talk about the new advancements of arab iraq  like sectarian killings and ayatolahs like moqtadar etc yeah you are rightwhat you do , is trying to undermine our developmentyou start again with blaming ohers , call them primitive , backward and etc . look at yourself , before you start your facistic  propaganda all i know , that in kurdistan threre is construction boom and in baghdad there are only real booms the last time i went to baghdad , this was last yera , i had to witness an attack and how 8 people died , this is a real advancement harry i do not know what you think or what kind of mentallity you have but kurdistan was never that rich , it is today , there is a lot of economic activities in kurdistan and there is peace and security this all , is because of the kurdistan regional government and the kurdish security forces , providing security and allowing people to have peace there are no attacks against christians or turkmens or arabs but instead of talking aout it , you still try to be racistic towards kurds it is your opinion , and thre is obviously a lot of hate against kurds in your mindbecause you do not allow kurds to be what they are and what they always were kurds and kurdistanis and everything shows that the self rule is ten times better then iraqi centralist rule kurdistan will be soon , if all goes well, one of  the richest regions in the middle east and the entire workd that is for sure and you wont stop it all you have , is to mock about tradiitional clothing and sure , you , or the majority of the users here wear or have worn traditional arab clothing , like the dubais , kuwaitis etc and i know that they all reject modern advancements  



deimos -> RE: sard wants to remove our right for self determination (3/3/2006 1:45:58 PM)

My advice to the rest of Iraq:
Stop killing, start rebuilding!
Or as my archenemy, so called "hip hop artist" 50 cent puts it:
Get rich or die tryin'!



Jaafer -> RE: sard wants to remove our right for self determination (3/3/2006 8:20:33 PM)


To the Kurdish guy.

What I said is clear and it is about Sammurai'. Those who bombed it are either ignorant Kurds or Yazeediys. This is not all the Kurds but the ignorant of them who are lost between their old dreams of destroying Iraq and their dream now of dividing Iraq. The Yazeedis are devil worshipers and no matter how they and you and the people who are pretending to be their friends now, try to hide their reality. If you take Islam from the Kurds, they are left with nothing. This is why the bombing can only done by infidels. No Muslim or Christian or Sabian will do such crime.

It is those "people" and the occupiers who has bombed Sammurai' and it is the other creatures who did the killing including from Alsader's people. Of course most of the killings have been done by the Bader criminals, who are not Iraqis anyway. Then the Sunni has answered back. No matter how the crimes are, the answering back should not be just against any Shia' or Kurd. The criminal Alsystanne has given the green light to this sense less killing; it is him who said certain elements can not be controlled. You can see that all are either not Iraqis or like you do not believe in Iraq. The sooner all of you leave Iraq, the better.

You talk about building the North of Iraq ..etc these buildings are built on the blood of no less than 140 thousand Iraqis including Ansar AlIslam whom Altalibane killed in AlSulaymania you slave of the west in more than one way. The material civilisation is next to nothing if you do not have self respect, belief, history language ..etc you want to convert Iraq to a base of your masters and our and the world's enemy, stop dreaming. Iraq will be liberated and will remain one and every traitor will pay the price of his or her treason.

If you care about buildings why you are not bothered about the destruction to Iraqis buildings? Why have not you and your Talibane and Barzani gangs built “yours” before the invasion rather than fighting yourselves like never before? Why employ foreign companies while your criminal gangs have killed with the occupiers our best scientists, doctors and engineers? do you think only the west have brains? Your british masters have prevented the Iraqi architect by the Zuha Hadad from building any building in Britain for over 15 years despite her wining several competitions. But they allowed her to teach in their universities. Only after she built few award wining buildings in Europe, your british masters are going to allow her to build some building for the coming Olympics in London. This is the reality of the people who are letting you destroy our country, but Allah is with us and you will see how, Ensha’ Allah soon.            



deimos -> RE: sard wants to remove our right for self determination (3/4/2006 7:59:13 AM)

You are stupid as bred. Your view of the world is the same the Nazis had, deeply racistic and xenophobic. People like you are responsible for the backwardness of the Islamic civilizations, and the success of a new federalist, democratic, liberal, socially and economically developed F.R.I. (Federal Republic of Iraq)  will wipe your anachronistic ideology out. Opinions like yours should have been put on the dump of history a long time ago.
And your idiot comments about Zaha Hadid prove that you do not have any knowledge about how the architectural business works. It is normal for an architect not to get offers, also because Zaha Hadid first concentrated on the theoretical field.



ariannationkurdistan -> RE: sard wants to remove our right for self determination (4/25/2006 12:18:01 PM)

sadr again want to provoke kurds
after he and his puppets in baghdad lost the power play
he wants to send in his militia mahdi terrorists , rapist and thugs into kerkuk
the security forces are ready to disarm them

A few hundred Shiite militiamen would be no match for the tens of thousands of Kurdish fighters either serving in Iraqi army units in Kirkuk or stationed outside the city in Kurdish-controlled provinces.

 Abdul Karim Khalifa, told U.S. officials that more armed loyalists were on the way and that as many as 7,000 to 10,000 Shiite residents were prepared to fight alongside the Mahdi Army if called upon. Legions more Shiite militiamen would push north from Baghdad's Sadr City slum
 
His message was essentially that any idea of Kirkuk going to the Kurds will mean a fight," Wise said. "He said that their policy here was different from in other places, that they are not going to attack coalition forces because their only enemy here is the Kurds."
 
We fear the expansion of the role of Shiite armed men in Kirkuk," said Yadgar Abdullah, commander of the police emergency operations center in Kirkuk and an official with the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan, which administers the Kurds' decades-old militia, the pesh merga . He said the number of kidnappings for ransom in Kirkuk has surged since the militias arrival.

Another Kurdish security official, who spoke on condition he not be named, said Shiite militias are thought to have conducted at least five killings of Kurds in Kirkuk and the surrounding area.

"We are dealing with anybody that carries weapons and stands against the Iraqi government to disturb security," Abdullah said. "They will be considered terrorists that must be fought and disarmed."

Khalifa, the Sadr representative, said the Mahdi Army -- which battled U.S. troops across southern and central Iraq in 2004 -- was responding to a power play by Kurdish politicians, whom he accused of plotting "to marginalize us in the political process and trying to force the Shiite Arabs out" by seizing control of Kirkuk.

Last week about two dozen U.S. soldiers and an Iraqi SWAT team launched a midnight raid in search of 12 men accused of planting a deadly roadside bomb last month. They crammed into a dozen Humvees and, with helicopters buzzing overhead, swarmed a quiet neighborhood in central Kirkuk, kicking down doors and rummaging through a half-dozen houses.

The six suspects they detained, whose names were provided by local informants, were believed to be members of the Mahdi Army, accused by U.S. and British forces of recent attacks on coalition troops in Baghdad and several southern cities. Photographs of Sadr were plastered on virtually every wall of every raided home.
 
enough is enough , i knew always that sadr is anti kurdish and now , after his political defeat in baghdad , he plays with open cards  r
i hope kurds understand what he is meaning and that time is runnig out
our survival depends now on our army and police
if sadr wants us to come down to baghdad and clean it up from  him and his mehdi terrorists , then they should go on  with it

kerkuk is the heart of kurdistan and we will not give it  up
if the central government or the k.r.g does not react ,
i want to , i saw them  in baghhdad , where they have already created a mess and they should be stopped in kerkuk


inshallah it will happen soon



baghdadi -> RE: sard wants to remove our right for self determination (4/25/2006 10:42:58 PM)

ariannationkurdistan, I dont like Sadr either he is always 2-faced says one thing then does another.  But ariannationkurdistan you need to stop dreaming Kirkut is the the heart and soul of kurdistan your war lords have brain washed you if that garage.  You just want it so you can make money and can become your own country, which will never happen.  Kirkuk is for Iraq and Iraqis and has no place for people who are self-fish.




ariannationkurdistan -> RE: sard wants to remove our right for self determination (4/26/2006 8:19:55 AM)

if it is going on like this , then believe , baghdad will be soon liberated from him and his militia
if he thinks that with 240 men, he is able to stop us then he is wrong
no baghdadi +
i am not brainwashed
my family is originally from germian, kelar and kifri , this region was always kurdish land and kerkuk belonged to it and will
i do not wanbt to play this games anymore
kerkuk is kurdistan
and do not tell me again, that kerkuk and the whole germian region nis not part of kurdistan , because it is belonging together
kerkuk is kurdistan basta
end of discussion and no more games



vivian -> RE: sard wants to remove our right for self determination (4/26/2006 10:30:39 AM)

Teritorial integrity of IRAQ is essential.



deimos -> RE: sard wants to remove our right for self determination (4/26/2006 11:43:04 AM)

....federalism is even more so.



Jaafer -> RE: sard wants to remove our right for self determination (4/26/2006 6:19:19 PM)


Up to the collapse of the Ottoman Empire Iraq was a province of it. It lasted for over 800 years and stretched from Morocco to China, then Iraq became independent after decades of the criminal British occupation, where even gas has been used against our Kurdish brothers and sisters. The British air force used to bomb the Kurds as part of their war and as a practise. The experience the criminals gained has helped them in their war against Germany and Hitler. Unfortunately not only the "anglosaxons" continued in their barbaric attack against humanity but the jews has continued in their devious ways too. This is why deimos are still thinking they can cheat the world.    

When Iraq took its current reduced size only Suliamina objected initially to be part of Iraq but later joined in and neither it nor any part of Iraq will split up in any shape or form.  The sooner the Kurds will realise this point the better the life will become to everybody in Iraq and outside it; even to the occupiers as they will have their sons and daughters back and Iraq will return free and independent. To tackle the Kurdish limited way of thinking, all the wealth of Iraq (and the satisfaction of being Iraq) will be for all of the Iraqis, unlike now as has been written before the Kurdish traitors have already signed away 40% of the newly discovered Iraqi oil to one western company and I do not know how much to the other. If you were to add to that how much the stinking occupiers have stolen already and will steal from our oil had they will be allowed to stay occupying Iraq, next to nothing will be left to the Iraqis. This is why you come no near any party like AlSader party, which rejects the occupation. I can not upload a Ba'athist poem, it sings of the party and Iraq and the liberation movements. So Kurds and other observers/ traitors come back to the right way of self-respect and realism; Iraq will not be divided and its population like it was for thousands of years mixed ethnically and religiously. We will regain our Independence. Freedom Fighters of the world unite against our common enemy; AlTagoot.           

  



marwaniraq -> RE: sard wants to remove our right for self determination (4/28/2006 9:23:58 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: ariannationkurdistan

if it is going on like this , then believe , baghdad will be soon liberated from him and his militia
if he thinks that with 240 men, he is able to stop us then he is wrong
no baghdadi +
i am not brainwashed
my family is originally from germian, kelar and kifri , this region was always kurdish land and kerkuk belonged to it and will
i do not wanbt to play this games anymore
kerkuk is kurdistan
and do not tell me again, that kerkuk and the whole germian region nis not part of kurdistan , because it is belonging together
kerkuk is kurdistan basta
end of discussion and no more games


[:@]
Kirkuk is Iraqi
what you call kurdistan is north Iraq
and you have no right of self determination.

and before accusing others of being racist, just look to ur name:" arian nation kurdistan" [:D]
it means that u consider kurds superior than others people, just like hitler with germans.[:D]
I think that the admin should force you to change it.
It's as me calling myself "kurd subhuman" or something like that.



ariannationkurdistan -> RE: sard wants to remove our right for self determination (4/28/2006 11:29:05 AM)

you hatred filled man  
what has arian to do with your racist thoughts
we are kurds
we are not semites or turks , but arian , as the persians , baloutch or pashtu
iran , does mean , land of the aryans
and we as kurds are arian too , we have created the first arian empire , at the times of the  medes and since their liberation of the people , enslaved and terrorized by the assyrians, 2700 years ago, it land is ours and not arab
and again is us , the sons and daughters of the medes , liberating the people of iraq form barbarians and enslavement , this time by islamic terrorism and the greatest of all totalarian ideologies of the world ,
the only ideology in iraq and and this forum, adopted  from hitler and his thoughts and party ,
die national sozialistische parte deutschlands, the nsdap, is baathism,
proudly calling himself, being adopted fom german racism 

do not call me a racist ,
our right to self determination is a god given path

but i am open for a  change of my  nick
to
superkurdi or salahedinssword



Jaafer -> RE: sard wants to remove our right for self determination (5/20/2006 5:02:51 PM)

arain...

How is your leader sharoon? the one who raped Arab women and killed Arab men and asked his troops to do so. Do you think he is conscious of his condition or not? The reason why I am is asking, is because in Islam it said that Allah will punish those who do wrong either in this life or in the next one or in both together. It seems he got the latter, when you will be aware or start being aware of your fate please tell us.   



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