There are many wicked things in the world cause by westerners. I agree with this. The atomic bomb being dropped in Japan was to end a war and it was over. The Muslims never let it over they continue to attack, blow up buses with innocent people in them like in South Thailand, Southern part of Philippines, the Taliban kill and torture, muslims in Afganistan. The muslims strap a bomb to there body and walk into a crowd of woman and chlidren and blow them up. I hear of many people getting killed and blown up all the time in Iraq, is this your God that demands the blood of the innocent. The God of Christianity does not demand the blood of innocent woman and children. The God of Christianity does not need man to seek his revenge. The God of Christianity is merciful and long suffering. The Muslim Allah demands that a muslim strap a bomb under his clothes walk into a market and blow people up. I do not want to know a god that supports or demands this. I have talked to people that been to Iraq and they tell me that they see Muslim husband beat there wifes in public.The muslims have religious police that can hit a muslim woman if some of her hair is exposed. The woman are not allowed to eat dinner with the men, they eat in a separate room. The men have complete control over there wifes telling them everything they can do and cannot do. Are not the muslim woman capable of doing anything without the men, are not the muslim woman human beings with brains that can and should be able to make decisions about who they want to marry and what college they would like to go to. Some of the muslim men are tyrants over there wifes and treat them like property. I am a Christian that follows God Jehovah that is a loving God who does not demand e to avenge for him and loves the woman as he loves the man and wants the woman to be treated good and allowed to make her own decisions, My God do's not say kill someone that does not accept him but pray for that person.
RE: Re Why Muslims kill each other and treat there woma... - 2/21/2010 11:24:18 PM
Its so easy to call me stupid and turn the issue about me and get off the topic, Why muslims kill each other and why do muslims treat there woman badly. First of all I know not all muslims are like this, there is always some that don't. But most in the Arab countries do. Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Afganistan, to name a few. It is not true that Allah will send you into paradise for blowing up innocent woman and children, you will go to hell! There is no reward for killing innocent people. Only cowards strap a bomb around there body and go into a crowed market and blow people up. If you took one of these bombers one on one they are cowards that would run and not fight you fairly. Then you have these men that need to feel like the head boss and want to be the god of the house and control every thing about there wifes. They are also cowards and only beat there wifes because they fear what a real man would do to them. They beat a helpless weak woman that cannot defend herself, but when it comes to another man they are cowards with no back bone, they are like a dog. I tell you that theses countries live in the stone age because of this way of thinking, the woman have a lot of valuable ideas and creative thinking that can help theses backward, primitive countries move into the modern age. I do hope and pray that the Arab countries Iraq especially will come to know the Lord Jesus Christ as there Saviour the one and only true God. I will not kill you or hate you but pray for you. That is the way God works he does not kill you to make you believe. God loves all that come to him and seeks him and God is always there waiting for you with His arms open and full of love for the Arab men and woman. I pray for Iraq and its salvation to Jehovah God and His Son Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior!
I find your remarks offensive not only to our Muslim brothers and sisters, but to Christians too. I am an Iraqi Christian and I have seen how men treat their wives, girlfriends and partners not only in England where I live, but all the many countries I visited.
God and Allah are the same, it is only a different language. And, there is no religion in the world that advice you and order you to kill in the name of God, and it's not just the muslims are killing the muslims, just listen to the news, and open your eyes, many civil wars are killing innocent people right now, many wars. Many drug lords doing the same, killing the people in one way or the other, cigarette manufacturer, and the stories goes on.
What is the different between one killing or the other? In the second world war we had the Japanies Pilots sacrificing their lives for their country. Was that considered barbaric?
Education is important, read and read before you make your mind up, and even then you keep you eyes and ears open in case you are wrong.
There are many wicked things in the world cause by westerners. I agree with this. The atomic bomb being dropped in Japan was to end a war and it was over.
Damn right you should agree with this. If you look at history, you will see that all events of mass destruction were caused or indirectly caused by Western nations. Wipping out native Indians from present-day USA & Latin America (millions killed, displaced), WW1 (millions killed), WW2 (over 60 million people killed), the first and only atomic bombs to be dropped, the Vietnam war (3 million Vietnamese killed), the Iraq war (over 1 million Iraqis killed), etc..
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The Muslims never let it over they continue to attack, blow up buses with innocent people in them like in South Thailand, Southern part of Philippines, the Taliban kill and torture, muslims in Afganistan.
Terrorism has no religion and it has no boundaries. Your comments are very offensive to many in this forum. Terrorism exists in 2 forms: 1) Stateless terrorism (e.g. Al Qaida, Taliban, PKK, etc) 2) State-sponsored terrorism (e.g. USA, Israel, Serbia during Balkans, Sudan, N.Korea).
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I hear of many people getting killed and blown up all the time in Iraq, is this your God that demands the blood of the innocent.
If the invasion, occupation of the Republic of Iraq did not take place, then this wouldn't of happened. Iraq was run by a secular government that ensured that religious fanatics were kept either in jail or outside Iraq's borders. Once the previous regime was ousted, the security apparatus were also ousted, allowing terrorists and trouble makers to enter the country and cause this chaos.
This has nothing to do with God. Also, you should not refer to Him as 'you God'. The God that muslims worship is the same God that the followers of Christ and Mosses worship. He is everyone's God.
One more thing, are you really convinced that it isd not the US and other foregign groups that are not behind these terrorist attacks? Afterall, Al Qaida is not benefiting and neither are the Iraqi people.
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The God of Christianity does not demand the blood of innocent woman and children. The God of Christianity does not need man to seek his revenge. The God of Christianity is merciful and long suffering. The Muslim Allah demands
The God of Christianity is the same as the God of Islam & Judaism. Tell me everything you know about the term 'Allah'. Do you know the meaning?
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Muslim husband beat there wifes in public.
False. But anyhow, are you telling me that this doesn't happen anywhere else in the world? I live in London and have seen drunk English men beat beat their wives/girlfriends in public places and even seen women slap their men and swear at them.
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I am a Christian that follows God Jehovah
Leave religion out of this. But anyhow, thats interesting. I have a lot of Jehova' followers knocking on my door from time to time and they tell me about how Jehova's witnesses admire Islam and Judaism, trying to sell me books with naked images of their artist's impression of Adam & Eve 9both with blonde hair & blue eyes, thats amazing! haha) and they even trashed Catholics and Protstants for being brainwashed by the wrong bibles. Clearly there is a rift within your movement. Maybe you can share some of that with us.
The ongoing killing of muslim civilians (Afghanistan or Iraq or pakistan or Yemen...) is a matter that we need to be concerned:
It does reflect the mentality of the west towards human life of muslims in general. It is true that the western forces may not do that intentionally, however, if they don't have that inherent hidden hatred against all muslims, and if they had a tiny bit of genuine respect for their lives, they wouldn't be that careless before and after their horible repeated killings of defenceless women and chidren.
I have a small story to tell the military machine of the west. Dec/1978: Iraq, Rawandoz: A local army battalion was called to a kurdish village on Mount Hindrin and quickly engaged in a fire coming from the windows of the village... To cut it short: after the fight, I heard the battalion commander shouting angrily over the phone to his superior:
Sir, the village windows were all fire. Sir, had I not had those orders from the leadership, I would have falttened that village...
That leadership was Iraqi president AlBakir... though with hindsight , the leadership eventually was highjacked by Saddam and his gang of thugs who buried many kurds and Shias(possibly alive) but the story tells the difference between three types of occupation, by muslims when sane, by muslims when insane and by non muslims sane or insane(Western or zionist forces).
The muslim civilians you are so concerned about are being killed in mass by no other than your own kind. Suicide bombers are killing more and more of their own innocent countrymen than non muslims and the forces of the west that you hate so much combined. In other postings of yours you mentioned that you are an atheist, yet you are defending only muslims as a hard core muslim yourself. Odd isn’t it?
The west that is bugging you is not after all muslims as you miss-stated, get your facts atraight, they are after those who are launching attacks against the west in the name of islam, hence staining the religion name.
Although you are afraid to come out and say it in the open, you keep insinuating that Christians are the enemies of islam and muslims, and you always picture the west as the Christians who are the killers of muslims, yet, you are living in a western country, enjoying the peace and shelter that they provide you with, filling your fat stinking belly with the food that is abundant, attending their colleges and universities, being educated with their own knowledge. What an unappreciative moron you are! I did not like the life in Iraq and what islam stands for, so I left Iraq. You can do the same and leave England, at least England will be a whole lot cleaner and shinier without you. You can go back to your filthy mount hindrin and live with the goats. there, you will be with your own kind and feel right at home.
Dear Pachachi, first of all I have to say unfortunately you lack knowledge and logic in every word that you have written, and your article is a great diversion from Hammorabi code of conduct with regards to insults to any member of this forum. YOU SHOULD BE POLITE AS THIS FORUM IS A PLACE TO EXCHANGE IDEAS AND THOUGHTS, THUGRY AND INSULTS ARE SOLD WERE PACHA IS SOLD ONLY. With respect to the logic that you have used in your argument, I have to say that the west is responsible for destroying the lives of people like HAVAKLAVA, and by default the west is responsible for rebuilding that shuttered lives, after all the west s and was advocating justice and equality as well as responsibility for the world. With respect to the subject of the thread, can you deny the influence and the direct interference of the west (WHICH IS BY THE WAY RELIGOUISLEY DRIVEN) in the mayhem that we have seen in Iraq over the past 80 years, coups, sanctions, massacre and then direct invasion, NO justification for the mass murder and the destruction of Iraq could be found with exception to one word HATE, and I hope that you read my thread and the links that I have supplied for LOGICAL people like YOU!!! To read. The arguments presented by HAVAKLAVA are all true and valid. By the way 9/11 was an inside job.
WE CAN WALK AND RUN, STOP AND HIDE WHENEVER WE WANT, BECAUSE WE DID NOT DO WRONG. ( No threats anymore NO thugry any more)
Pachechi: There is no need to resort to name calling, I am sure you can express your points of view without them. So please try to avoid unnecessary bad language. Deleting posts is one of my most hated duties, but if I am forced to do it, I will.
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Before you embark on a journey of revenge, dig two graves.
How convenient, always blame the west for your stupidity and inadequacy. The west did not send your sheepish morons with bombs tied on their chests to murder innocent women and children who are shopping or on their way to a mosque. The west did not tell you come to me I will take good care of you. It is your incompetent way of thinking that is leading you to where you’re headed. Haval’s life was not destroyed, he is living in heaven, and if it was destroyed, then it was done by those of his own kind and their ideology.
The actions of the west are never religiously driven, that is what your freaking mullahs want you to believe, and you are digesting it without question. Have you ever heard of what’s called “Separation of church and state”? It’s a policy that was adopted long ago in the west, and that policy is the reason why people, such as Muslims, have the right and are free to belong and practice the religion of choice. But I guess you wouldn’t know of such thing, because your stinking mullahs are controlling your lives, and they have your balls in their hands to squeeze whenever, and as they please. I bet you have no right to hump your wife without your control freak mullah’s permission.
Yeah, 9/11 was an inside job; the Kennedy assassination was an inside job, overthrowing the king of Iraq was an inside job, the assassination attempt on Abdul Kereem Qasim’s life, the February 8th incident, the explosion of Abdul Salam’s helicopter, the Baath party’s takeover of Iraq, the gassing thousands of Kurds, the Iran-Iraq war, the invasion of Kuwait… all these were inside jobs. I wander where were you through all that, why didn’t you and your so called intelligent mullahs do something about them, but I guess you’re walking around with your finger up your bums.
Kepp running, there is no where to go but the west.
I think all the replies after Calm and Tigris81's should be removed. They're not relevant to the topic and seem to have their own agenda... Maybe start a new topic for the other remarks about how 'I'm the center of the universe and everything is a conspiracy'.
By the way, it is very naive to think that the problems in Iraq are based on religion alone. People didn't start blowing themselves up after 2003. A little trip in history would prove otherwise. Iraqi political issues are much more complex...
Is there any other country in the Middle-East that is as diverse as Iraq ethnically and religiously?
Irrelevant my eye, a member asked a question and everybody jumped on the band wagon of deception and denial. Muslims do kill their women and daughters, and the examples are plenty, and the reasons are idiotic. All of that are, as they put it, mentioned in the Quran. You have the right to kill your wife if someone mentioned something however unproven it might be it is the law of Mohammed and Allah.
Before 2003, People used to blow themselves up to kill non Muslims, but, 2003 marked the beginning point where Muslims started blowing themselves up for the sole purpose of killing other Muslims.
There is only one problem in Iraq; which is, the many Mullahs trying to take the government and control of the country in their own hands, which makes it a religious problem at the core of it all.
By the way their Allah is in no way the same God or the superior being that heavenly religions believe in. Allah is vicious, murderous, and blood thirsty, just read the Quran. Except for Islam, all other religions believe in a being who is forgiving, loving and merciful.
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