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dritalin -> Mahdi Army decimated in recent fighting. (6/27/2008 4:26:24 PM)

"More than 2,000 cadres from the Mahdi Army leaders were killed recently," an Iraqi intelligence official told Gulf News. "This led to the almost complete collapse of the army," the official said. An estimated 1,300 Mahdi Army fighters "escaped to safe houses in Iran." Muqtada al Sadr currently resides in Qom, Iran, under the protection of Iran's Qods Force.

In March, April, and May the Mahdi army took a huge hit in both tactical credibility, and popular support. Here are some figures provided by a Mahdi spokesman (US and Iraqi estimates as well as hospital records put the number at about double this)

Sadr City - 1,000 fighters
Basra - 415
Najaf, Karbala, Hillah, Diwaniyah, Amarah, Samawah, and Nasiriyah - 400

The inteligence report also shows that the fighting has turned the Jaish al-Mahdi from a militia of est 50,000 strong into a secret military of no more that 150-200. Recently Sadr ordered the Mahdi Army to dispand and formed the small group of operative hardliners on June 13.

Of course all is not over with the Sadr political movement. Muqtada ordered the sadr block to withdraw from provincial elections and reenter under independant parties. Personally my gut feeling is that this is going to mean political suicide for the Sadr movement, but we'll see what time will tell.

Also worth mentioning is the minimal role of US forces in the outcome of Basra, which was planned and executed by Iraqi forces under the direction of Maliki. At first the Iraqi army hit a brick wall in resistance, but quickly responded with reinforcements and took the fight to the militia and stuck a terrible blow, as testimant to the almost nill resistance in current operation in Amarah.

This victory over the Mahdi Amry could, I emphasize could, mean good things for the future of Iraq. Inshallah this could all be over by Christmas.




woody -> RE: Mahdi Army decimated in recent fighting. (6/29/2008 4:28:54 PM)

Perhaps I am remembering things too romantically, but I remember back during the first Iraq conflict with America, that we respected the Iraqi soldiers, and they did us honour by their courage and their respect. We always knew that on the other side of a firefight we were fighting men.

My condolances to the Madhi elements. I have a respect for them because they are the indiginous fighters of the country of Iraq. Though there might be political differences, I know in my heart that they are doing what they figure right. Some times I ask myself what I would do in their shoes, if I would resist, if I would band with other Americans to do what we figured right.

I hope that this doesn't further destabilize the situation though. My prayers go out to both the American and Madhi fighters, praying that they might both hold strong in their hearts, always remember honour and civility, always denying hatred, but striving for that which is right and good.




SoggyMilk -> RE: Mahdi Army decimated in recent fighting. (9/3/2008 11:35:18 PM)

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH MYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD.

I remember this. I had a front row seat, lol.

These JAM (Jaish al-Mahdi) guys, I'll give them some credit; they're clever guys. They think of different ways to attack, and keep changing it up on you.

But during April/May/June, they didn't stand a chance. Anywhere we got engaged by JAM, the ROE (Rules Of Engagement) went out the window, and we used all our means to destroy them.

One instance:

In Sadr City, we were clearing a route.
A guy was shooting at us from a place we couldn't hit him
So we called in the tanks.

In another instance:

In Sadr City, we were clearing a route.
A guy was shooting at us from a hardened building.
So we called in a 250lb Bomb.

In another instance:

In Sadr City, we were clearing a route.
A guy was shooting at us from the second story of a 3 story building.
So we called in HellfireN Missiles from an Apache.


There were so many situations like that during those months... And not only by my platoon, so it's no wonder why they took so hard a hit in numbers.

Before, we toyed with them, because we'd get hit by an IED, and not return fire, because our bosses placed rules on us that basically said: "Suck it up. We can't make things go blowie uppie, so deal with it."

But during those months, we releived a LOT of stress. Cuz finally our bosses said: "Allright, enough of this crap. Hit em' hard."


What I want to know is, do they not understand that we're not TRYING to kill them? The only time we've fired on a JAM member is when they launch attacks against us. Other than that, if we see them, and they're not causing a problem, we get orders to leave them alone.




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