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How are we suposed to deal with People like this? - 5/11/2008 5:36:16 AM   
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What is wrong with these people? Who are they and where do they come from? If a father can show no mercy for his only daughter then what hope is there for these backward neanderthals? How are we to fix such deranged minds?

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'My daughter deserved to die for falling in love'

For Abdel-Qader Ali there is only one regret: that he did not kill his daughter at birth. 'If I had realised then what she would become, I would have killed her the instant her mother delivered her,' he said with no trace of remorse.

Two weeks after The Observer revealed the shocking story of Rand Abdel-Qader, 17, murdered because of her infatuation with a British solider in Basra, southern Iraq, her father is defiant. Sitting in the front garden of his well-kept home in the city's Al-Fursi district, he remains a free man, despite having stamped on, suffocated and then stabbed his student daughter to death.

Abdel-Qader, 46, a government employee, was initially arrested but released after two hours. Astonishingly, he said, police congratulated him on what he had done. 'They are men and know what honour is,' he said.

Rand, who was studying English at Basra University, was deemed to have brought shame on her family after becoming infatuated with a British soldier, 22, known only as Paul. She died a virgin, according to her closest friend Zeinab. Indeed, her 'relationship' with Paul, which began when she worked as a volunteer helping displaced families and he was distributing water, appears to have consisted of snatched conversations over less than four months. But the young, impressionable Rand fell in love with him, confiding her feelings and daydreams to Zeinab, 19.

It was her first youthful infatuation and it would be her last. She died on 16 March after her father discovered she had been seen in public talking to Paul, considered to be the enemy, the invader and a Christian. Though her horrified mother, Leila Hussein, called Rand's two brothers, Hassan, 23, and Haydar, 21, to restrain Abdel-Qader as he choked her with his foot on her throat, they joined in. Her shrouded corpse was then tossed into a makeshift grave without ceremony as her uncles spat on it in disgust.

'Death was the least she deserved,' said Abdel-Qader. 'I don't regret it. I had the support of all my friends who are fathers, like me, and know what she did was unacceptable to any Muslim that honours his religion,' he said.

Sitting on a chair by his front door and surrounded by the gerberas and white daisies he had planted in the family garden, Abel-Qader attempted to justify his actions.

'I don't have a daughter now, and I prefer to say that I never had one. That girl humiliated me in front of my family and friends. Speaking with a foreign solider, she lost what is the most precious thing for any woman.

'People from western countries might be shocked, but our girls are not like their daughters that can sleep with any man they want and sometimes even get pregnant without marrying. Our girls should respect their religion, their family and their bodies.

'I have only two boys from now on. That girl was a mistake in my life. I know God is blessing me for what I did,' he said, his voice swelling with pride. 'My sons are by my side, and they were men enough to help me finish the life of someone who just brought shame to ours.'

Abdel-Qader, a Shia, says he was released from the police station 'because everyone knows that honour killings sometimes are impossible not to commit'. Chillingly, he said: 'The officers were by my side during all the time I was there, congratulating me on what I had done.' It's a statement that, if true, provides an insight into how vast the gulf remains between cultures in Iraq and between the Basra police the British army that trains them.

Sources have indicated that Abdel-Qader, who works in the health department, has been asked to leave because of the bad publicity, yet he will continue to draw a salary. And it has been alleged by one senior unnamed official in the Basra governorate that he has received financial support by a local politician to enable him to 'disappear' to Jordan for a few weeks, 'until the story has been forgotten' - the usual practice in the 30-plus cases of 'honour' killings that have been registered since January alone.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008...aq.humanrights


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RE: How are we suposed to deal with People like this? - 5/11/2008 12:51:04 PM   
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Ya haram!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That is civilisation for you.  The are thousands of iraqi women who are married to english and forgein men, they are treated 100 times better for the way we treat our women.

Chalba, Himarah are the every hour love call (Right).  Using the belt or the fliplop is another extension of their manhood.  Do you think we will ever change, no not in a million years.

Shame, I get so angry, and there is nothing we can do.  I bet if that idiot of a father will see a blonde he will have his eyes popping out, his tongue hanging out like a dog, and his charlie syanding to attention, and that isn't shameful because he is a man.  What a farce!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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RE: How are we suposed to deal with People like this? - 5/12/2008 4:50:26 AM   
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the things that men can do to woman...utterly disgusting. Things are better in America I know, but even here if a girl gets raped you often hear things like "she shouldn't have been so suggestivly dressed". And if a guy sleeps around he's normal, but if a girl does, she's a skank, or slut.

I agree people should have morals, but it's not my job to impose morals on unwilling persons.

This poor treatment of woman just doesn't make any sense to me. I learned at a young age from my parents that treating women well is important. I find that when you treat women well, they respond in a way that makes life very satisfying, and I'm not talking about sexual favors. Life just seems to have more meaning when you treat women right, the relationships are just so much...fuller.

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RE: How are we suposed to deal with People like this? - 5/12/2008 6:22:48 AM   
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Something my friend's dad told us when I was young. Like I said, we were four growing up, one was shiat, the other sunnie, and the last one was christain.

He said that part of islamic teachings was that a man should walk in front of the woman at night to protect her from falling in a hole in the ground, or trip over a stone, in day light he should walk behind her to protect her back.  Whan they sat to eat, the man should eat first, in case the food wasn't cooked properly, or had been poisoned. 

He said don't take it word for word, but look at the meaning behind the words.  I never ever forget that.  What happened to those words?  What holy book have they been reading?  And if they were religious, then who gave them the power to kill a god's creation? 

Life in Iraq isn't worth a penny.

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RE: How are we suposed to deal with People like this? - 5/12/2008 9:50:59 AM   
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I know most of you will hate me for saying this, but, believe me my friends, there are times when I hear such horror stories of such backwards savagery, I think of myself as lucky to have left that hell hole before it became to what it is today, and say (نارهم تحرق حطبهم). Then again, I grew up on that land, among those people, and studied in their schools. Why I did not turn out to be like them, and when are those people going to open their minds and their eyes to realize that people are not what they used to be, life is so much different than when their grandparents were alive.
 
Go ahead, blame me for it, tell me I am a traitor, I will accept it, for I am tired of being ashamed when people around me make fun of us Iraqis, and our heritage.

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RE: How are we suposed to deal with People like this? - 5/12/2008 1:12:14 PM   
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Perhaps we all lived in some kind of make believe land when we were in Baghdad. I can accept that there was perhaps some kind of underlying difference (cultural, religious, ethnic) which we didn't notice as we continued with our daily lives. But this a father talking with pride about killing his daughter because he was worried what his neighbors thought. He gives the expression "keeping up with the Joneses" a whole new meaning.

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Astonishingly, he said, police congratulated him on what he had done. 'They are men and know what honour is,' he said.


Masha Allah, thank god we can all feel safe with such a terrific justice system to protect us. Such honorable men these policemen!

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'Death was the least she deserved,' said Abdel-Qader. 'I don't regret it. I had the support of all my friends who are fathers, like me, and know what she did was unacceptable to any Muslim that honors his religion,'


Will someone please tell me where does it state in the Koran that a man should kill his daughter for talking to a non muslim?

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'I don't have a daughter now, and I prefer to say that I never had one. That girl humiliated me in front of my family and friends. Speaking with a foreign solider, she lost what is the most precious thing for any woman.


All she did was speak to the guy for fu*ks sake!

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'People from western countries might be shocked, but our girls are not like their daughters that can sleep with any man they want and sometimes even get pregnant without marrying. Our girls should respect their religion, their family and their bodies.


Why on earth would they be shocked? After all he is only a father who chocked his daughter to death with his dirty na3al! These bloody westerners obviously don't have a clue about honor so Abdel Qundara was duty bound to show them how real men should behave in a civilized society.

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'I have only two boys from now on. That girl was a mistake in my life. I know God is blessing me for what I did,' he said, his voice swelling with pride. 'My sons are by my side, and they were men enough to help me finish the life of someone who just brought shame to ours.'


And don't his boys have a great role model to look up to. Masha Allah!

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And it has been alleged by one senior unnamed official in the Basra governorate that he has received financial support by a local politician to enable him to 'disappear' to Jordan for a few weeks, 'until the story has been forgotten'


This is the most significant statement in the whole article. Not only was he not punished for his cowardly actions but he was rewarded for his efforts. Not only was he given a pat on the back by the police, he was given paid leave and sent on a paid holiday. This is the example thats been set here.

This is why Iraq is becoming such an alien place for us. Men like this Abdel Qundara should be put down like a dog because there is little human compassion about him. And they may as well do the same to his sons because they are too far gone to save.

Harry I don't blame you for feeling this way and far from being a traitor it shows that you care about your country. I would think that you and Calm are not alone but Iraq is in our blood so its a kind of love hate relationship and there is nothing we can do about it. When I read this article I felt a kind of doom at the pit on my stomach. I'm now becoming resigned to the fact that this is the new Iraq whether we like it or not, ma3al Asef al shadeed.


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RE: How are we suposed to deal with People like this? - 5/25/2008 5:42:36 AM   
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Nothing to do with Iraq but shocking nonetheless. Unbelievable really:



Authorities in southern Germany said Saturday they have taken custody of a 7-month-old boy after his parents posted an ad on eBay offering to sell him for one euro, the equivalent of $1.57.

Peter Hieber, a spokesman for police in the Bavarian town of Krumbach, said the baby was placed in the care of youth services in the southwestern Allgaeu region, although the child's 23-year-old mother insisted the ad was only a joke.

Authorities have launched an investigation into possible child trafficking against the baby's mother and 24-year-old father, neither of whom was identified.

"Offering my nearly new baby for sale, as it has gotten too loud. It is a male baby, nearly 28 inches (70 cm) long and can be used either in a baby carrier or a stroller," police quoted the ad as reading.

No offers were made for the child in the two hours and 30 minutes the ad was posted on Tuesday. EBay later deleted the posting, but assisted police in tracking down the parents.

Several people who saw the ad alerted police.



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RE: How are we suposed to deal with People like this? - 5/25/2008 2:36:49 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Harry

I know most of you will hate me for saying this, but, believe me my friends, there are times when I hear such horror stories of such backwards savagery, I think of myself as lucky to have left that hell hole before it became to what it is today, and say (نارهم تحرق حطبهم). Then again, I grew up on that land, among those people, and studied in their schools. Why I did not turn out to be like them, and when are those people going to open their minds and their eyes to realize that people are not what they used to be, life is so much different than when their grandparents were alive.
 
Go ahead, blame me for it, tell me I am a traitor, I will accept it, for I am tired of being ashamed when people around me make fun of us Iraqis, and our heritage.

When a UK source focuses on this crime then I may understand it. When others like Harry ... want to stereo-type all Iraqi men as savages then I am not surprised. When they want to split up between Iraqi men and women then this is nothing different from "divide and conquer" of western empires. I have to remind the Observer and the Guardian of the daily UK crime records. I remind them of - as an example - of John West who murdered and buried several young girls in his house with the help of his wife. The dead included his own daughter whom she buried in his garden and then the family would have barbequeue party on her grave. Well John was tried and then killed himself in prison.

But what about the two British nurses who killed a fellow Australian nurse in Saudi. The two were jailed in Saudi... then even the UK priminster intervened to rescue them and set them free in UK. They were about to a write a book about their murder to make a fortune...but the victim's brother managed to stop them.

Harry... you may say anything you want now. But remember you may affect other people like you in Iraq. I am sure there are many armenians and christians who are proud of their iraqi connections and are aware that christianity started in Palestine. You have been educated in Iraqi schools, with free medical care and have lived with dignity there I am sure... so be ashamed and stop worrying about losing your internet shop in your new US paradise.

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RE: How are we suposed to deal with People like this? - 5/25/2008 9:08:04 PM   
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That guy works in politics?
If he's willing to do that to his own daughter, imagine what he's prepared to do to his country?

If we have people like that running Iraq, I wonder why Iraq isn't heaven?  

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RE: How are we suposed to deal with People like this? - 5/26/2008 3:18:55 AM   
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Its not only tragic that this murderer can get away scott free but to date not one government official has condemned this heinous crime despite it receiving extensive coverage in the worlds press. With this in mind I really don't blame Harry for feeling ashamed of his country when such facts come to light. I'd like to meet this Abdul Qundara in a dark alley in Amman and let my steel baseball bat teach him a lesson he'll never forget.

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RE: How are we suposed to deal with People like this? - 5/26/2008 3:51:03 AM   
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When a UK source focuses on this crime then I may understand it. When others like Harry ... want to stereo-type all Iraqi men as savages then I am not surprised. When they want to split up between Iraqi men and women then this is nothing different from "divide and conquer" of western empires. I have to remind the Observer and the Guardian of the daily UK crime records. I remind them of - as an example - of John West who murdered and buried several young girls in his house with the help of his wife. The dead included his own daughter whom she buried in his garden and then the family would have barbequeue party on her grave. Well John was tried and then killed himself in prison.


What on earth are you waffling on about. John West was sentenced for his crimes whereas this Neanderthal was rewarded for his.

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But what about the two British nurses who killed a fellow Australian nurse in Saudi. The two were jailed in Saudi... then even the UK priminster intervened to rescue them and set them free in UK. They were about to a write a book about their murder to make a fortune...but the victim's brother managed to stop them.


This case is not relevant. The 2 nurses claimed they were tortured by the Saudi police before they confessed to the crime whereas this murdering father is boasting about killing his own daughter. Do you see the difference or are you going to continue to offer irrelevant examples? Just so that you get a good idea about Saudi Justice here's a story that might give you some food for thought.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7415290.stm

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Harry... you may say anything you want now. But remember you may affect other people like you in Iraq. I am sure there are many armenians and christians who are proud of their iraqi connections and are aware that christianity started in Palestine. You have been educated in Iraqi schools, with free medical care and have lived with dignity there I am sure... so be ashamed and stop worrying about losing your internet shop in your new US paradise.


Kaka, I'd be interested in learning where you have set up your own internet shop. I'm guessing the UK. Now I have to tell you that most people reading your comments will question your moral standpoint and the fact that you think everyone lived in Iraq with dignity during Saddam's time would suggest that you have never lived there yourself. What I don't find most interesting about your comments is that your first reaction was to highlight crimes committed in a foreign country rather than condemn this mans actions and the lack of action taken by the Iraqi government. Very strange! Its almost as if you agree with what's taken place.


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RE: How are we suposed to deal with People like this? - 6/1/2008 11:42:01 AM   
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The tragedy continues and the murderers are free. Whats happening in Iraq makes me sick!

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Mother who defied the killers is gunned down The Observer,Sunday June 1 2008

Five weeks ago Leila Hussein told The Observer the chilling story of how her husband had killed their 17-year-old daughter over her friendship with a British soldier in Basra. Now Leila, who had been in hiding, has been murdered - gunned down in cold blood. Afif Sarhan in Basra and Caroline Davies report on the final act of a brutal tragedy.


Leila Hussein, who was murdered in Iraq. Photograph: Observer

Leila Hussein lived her last few weeks in terror. Moving constantly from safe house to safe house, she dared to stay no longer than four days at each. It was the price she was forced to pay after denouncing and divorcing her husband - the man she witnessed suffocate, stamp on, then stab their young daughter Rand in a brutal 'honour' killing for which he has shown no remorse. Though she feared reprisals for speaking out, she really believed that she would soon be safe. Arrangements were well under way to smuggle her to the Jordanian capital, Amman. In fact, she was on her way to meet the person who would help her escape when a car drew up alongside her and two other women who were walking her to a taxi. Five bullets were fired: three of them hit Leila, 41. She died in hospital after futile attempts to save her.

Her death, on 17 May, is the shocking denouement to a tragedy which had its origins in an innocent friendship between her student daughter, Rand Abdel-Qader, 17, and a blond, 22-year-old British soldier known only as Paul. The two had met while Rand, an English student at Basra University, was working as a volunteer helping displaced families and he was distributing water. Although their friendship appears to have involved just brief, snatched conversations over four months, Rand had confided her romantic feelings for Paul to her best friend, Zeinab, 19. She died, still a virgin, four months after she had last seen him when her father, Abdel-Qader Ali, 46, discovered that she had been seen talking 'to the enemy' in public. She had brought shame on his honour, was his defence, and he had to cleanse his family name. Despite openly admitting the murder, he has received no punishment.

It was two weeks after Rand's death on 16 March that a grief-stricken Leila, unable to bear living under the same roof as her husband, found the strength to leave him. She had been beaten and had had her arm broken. It was a courageous move. Few women in Iraq would contemplate such a step. Leila told The Observer in April: 'No man can accept being left by a woman in Iraq. But I would prefer to be killed than sleep in the same bed as a man who was able to do what he did to his own daughter.'

Her words were to prove prescient. Leila turned to the only place she could, a small organisation in Basra campaigning for the rights of women and against 'honour' killings. Almost immediately she began receiving threats - notes calling her a 'prostitute' and saying she deserved to die like her daughter. Even her sons Hassan, 23, and Haydar, 21, whom she claimed aided their father in their sister's killing, disowned her. Meanwhile, her husband, a former government employee, escaped any charges, and even told The Observer that police had congratulated him on what he had done. It is not known who killed Leila. All that is known is that she was staying at the house of 'Mariam', one of the women's rights campaigners, whose identity The Observer has agreed not to reveal. On the morning of 17 May, they were joined by another volunteer worker and set off to meet 'a contact' who was to help Leila travel to Amman, where she would be taken in by an Iraqi family.

'Leila was anxious, but she was also happy at having the chance to leave Iraq,' said Mariam. 'Since the death of her daughter, her own life was at serious risk. And this was a great opportunity for her to leave the country and to fight for Iraqi women's rights.

'She had not been able to sleep the night before. I stayed up talking to her about her plans after she arrived in Amman. I gave her some clothes to take with her and she was packing the only bag she had. She was too excited to sleep.'

Mariam said that when she awoke Leila had already prepared breakfast, cleaned her house and even baked a date cake as a thank-you for the help she had been given. After the arrival of 'Faisal', the volunteer (whose identity is also being protected), the three left the house at 10.30am and started walking to the end of the street to get a taxi. They had walked less than 50 metres when they heard a car drive up fast and then gunshots rang out. The attack, said by witnesses to have been carried out by three men, was over in minutes. Leila was hit by three bullets. Mariam was hit in her left arm and Faisal in her left leg. 'I didn't realise I had been shot for a few seconds, because as I heard the gunfire I saw Leila falling to the ground and saw blood pouring from her head,' said Mariam. 'I was so shocked, I didn't immediately feel the pain.'

Two men ran from their homes to help. They rushed Leila to hospital and a passing taxi took the other two. But Leila died at 3.20pm, despite several operations to save her. As she lay in her own hospital bed receiving treatment, Mariam said that she heard someone saying that Leila had been shot in the head. But there were other mutterings that were clearly audible. 'I could hear people talking on the corridors and the only thing that they had to say was that Leila was wrong for defending her daughter's mistakes and that her death was God's punishment. 'In that minute I just had complete hatred in my heart for those who had killed her.'
Police said the incident was a sectarian attack and that there was nothing to link Leila's death to her family. 'Her ex-husband was not in Basra when it happened. We found out he was visiting relatives in Nassiriya with his two sons,' said Hassan Alaa, a senior officer at the local police station in Basra. 'We believe the target was the women activists, rather than Mrs Hussein, and that she was unlucky to be in that place at that time.'

It is plausible. Campaigners for women's' rights are not acceptable to many sections of Iraqi society, especially in Basra where militias have partial control in some districts and impose strict laws on locals, including what clothing they should wear and what religious practice they should follow. Since February 2006, two other activists from the same women's organisation have been killed in the city. One of them was reportedly raped before being shot. The other, the only man working for the non-governmental organisation (NGO), and a father of five who was responsible for the organisation's finances, was shot five months ago.

There could be many with a grudge against such organisations. However, Mariam believes Leila was targeted, pointing out she had been hit by three bullets. 'When we were shot, they focused on Leila, not us,' she said. Since the attack the NGO has stopped its work in Basra. 'We daren't answer the phones because we have received so many threats since we gave our support to Leila's case,' said Mariam. 'Most of our members are preparing to leave the city and even Iraq if they can raise the money.'

A single mother since her husband was killed for refusing to join a militia, she too intends to move when she can. Faisal, who also survived her injuries, is still suffering post-surgical infection. She preferred not to speak, but her mother, who wished to remain anonymous, said: 'My daughter is very shocked at what happened, and my two grandsons can't stop crying since they saw her in hospital.'

Leila's burial was arranged within hours of her death by the husband of one of her cousins and Mariam's father. The Observer visited Rand's father and two brothers at their Basra home, but they refused to talk beyond Hassan proclaiming his father's innocence. When asked if he would be visiting his mother's grave, he shrugged: 'Maybe in the future.' Leila was an orphan, raised by an uncle who died in the Shia uprising against Saddam Hussein in the early 1990s. Hamida Alaa, 68, a friend of the uncle, said: 'The poor woman was killed and now her name and history is buried with her. No one wants to speak about it. She is just one more woman killed in our country who has already been forgotten by the local society.'

In the last days of her life, Leila was suffering from the pressure of having gone against her husband. 'She was sleeping with the help of sedatives,' said Mariam. 'She would wake up at night with terrible nightmares, even dreaming of being suffocated as her daughter was. She had been threatened so many times and that's why she was so scared. Her indignation over Rand's death is what led her to her own coffin. Their history ends here. But Leila was a hero. A woman who was strong enough to say no to Iraqi men's bad attitudes. Sadly most Iraqi women do not have the same strength and they will stay in their homes.'

Mariam has moved out of her home. But within hours of speaking to The Observer a close friend went to her new address to deliver a message that had been left for her at her front door. It read: 'Death to betrayers of Islam who don't deserve God's forgiveness. Speaking less you will live more.' She believes it was sent by Leila's killers.

'They want this story to be buried with Leila,' she said. 'But I cannot close my eyes to all this.'



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RE: How are we suposed to deal with People like this? - 6/3/2008 3:27:48 AM   
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I've been looking into what our current government is doing to deal with the increase of honor killings and violence against women in Iraq and till now I haven't found a single report or article. Shame on them! However at least the Kurds are doing something to address the issue.

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Under the supervision of Dr N Barzany KRG PM and Ummar Fetah deputy KRG, a number of ministers in the same field and a numbers of experts held a special meeting to discuss the issues related to the violence against women. Atrocity against women and the means to eradicate discussed in details. The committee, investigating atrocity against women made this statement regarding this meeting:

1- The killing of women and the means to eradicate it discussed in details. Those related ministries delegated in this field, criticised for not doing their job seriously.
2- A new special committee established, headed by human rights ministry and membership of other ministries with a special task to fight back violence against women.
3- After one year of its establishment, The committee for investigating violence against women praised the support of KRG in this field and had succeeded to reduce the violence and the committee confirmed that the violence has been reduced.
4- Before this committee established violence against women was on increase all over Kurdistan.
5- The committee regretfully admitted that burning some times takes place and undertakes to deal with it.
6- The committee considers the burning or killing of one female soul is too much. That is way the committee mobilises all its resources to fight to eradicate atrocity against women.

Those, who commit atrocity in the name of honour, will be charged with capital punishment




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RE: How are we suposed to deal with People like this? - 6/22/2008 8:35:53 PM   
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Personally, I think the cure is pretty simple for this.

How you do it is by sending out a judge and some police officers out to the husband's place and they have this chat with him.

Judge: Hello, husband, how are you doing today?

Husband: Quite well after visiting justice upon my shameful wife and daughter.

Judge: Yes, we have inquired into the matter and see that you are a most honorable man. We wanted to thank you for insuring the purity of your family and by extention the nation.

Husband: Why thank you. I am glad to be rid of them and the shame to my honor that they visited upon me and the rest of my family.

Judge: Yes, we see in you a most honorable man, filled with strength in doing hard things to do that which is right. That is part of the reason why we are here today.

Husband: OK.

Judge: It must have been most difficult to do what you did. To be honest, I myself would probably have found it more difficult to kill my daughter and wife than even myself. I don't think I have ever met a man with that much strength and honor.

Husband: Thank you. It was probably the hardest thing I ever did.

Judge: However, you do know that there are laws that deal with killing and murder. Do you know why we have these laws?

Husband: I suppose to uphold the honor of the land and to insure the guilty are punished.

Judge: Yes, and to insure that our lands are peaceful and just. I know you being an honorable man realize the necessety of our laws?

Husband: Yes, I am aware of how our laws do that.

Judge: Well, your actions have brought you before the law and you will be tried. I have known many a criminal that has tried to dishonor themselves by trying to explain how a law might not apply to them, or that they are somehow above or not bound by law. You can probably tell what would happen to our country if the laws were not upheld.

Husband: Yes, I am aware of what might happen if such were the case.

Judge: I am glad to be in the presense of someone who prizes honor above all. It is difficult for me to preside over those who are not so honorable because they whine and cry and ask for forgiveness and threaten and do all manner of things so that they will not be brought under the law. I trust that you will not do these things, but rather honor the law and be examined by it dispassionatly and honestly.

Husband (seeing where this is going): Uhhhhhh...yes, I see where you are going with this and I am aware of the Law.

The Judge then opens the Koran and perhaps some law books and speaks a little bit about the law pertaining to killing and murder.

Judge: You knew that you would be held accountable by the law if you took the life of another, correct?

Husband (getting nervous): Yes, but I was justified. i was justified because my **** wife and that little slut of a daughter of mine dishonored me.

Judge: Yes, and we are glad that you listened to your internal moral compass and did the honorable thing. However, you yourself have broken the law and it is your duty, bound by honor itself, to satisfy this things as well. That you have restored honor to your family, this is well. However, now you must satisfy your honorable commitments to your country as well.

Husband: But I have my business and my sons to look after.

Judge: Yes, but you have already proven your strength and commitment to honor. These would be acheivable losses to you for a man with the strength to kill his own family members. I have faith in you that you will do the right thing.

Husband (flustered): BUT THEY DISHONORED ME.

Judge: Yes, but you knew the law that if you took their lives that your own would be forfeit. Did you not know this before hand?

Huband: I guess...I guess I did.

Judge: Of course you did. And after this matter is settled, you will be looked at as a most honorable man for dealling with the original dishonor boldly and in meeting the consequences of it with bravery and honor to your country and fellows. We shall judge you according to the law and this whole matter will be put to rest.

You realize that we can't be having wife and child killers running around. If every father killed his wife and child for talking to some soldiers, this whole place would be chaos. I see soldiers talking to young muslim women quite often, usually in a respectful way. I see young men talking to the soldiers and getting along with them and paving the road for some stability around here. If all the fathers took their lives, it would be a bloodbath around here.

Still you are a strong man and we do see the message in what you have done. I am glad to have met you. We will put this issue behind us and the honor of the law and our country will be satisfied with the same finality that you administered your own justice. I am satisfied that you knew of all of this before hand and knew what you where getting yourself into.

(in reply to Lion of Babylon)
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