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persianprince -> why all the hate towards Iran? (4/3/2008 12:53:14 PM)

Hi

I found this website while looking for a map of Iraq, and some how I managed for find this link

http://www.iraq4u.com/forum/m_16487/mpage_1/printable.htm

then I come here and look at some of the other threads and see slurs agains iranians.

Why do you think Iraq's enemy is Iran?

In case you don't know, Iran is not invading Iraq.  And as far as I know from many of my Iraqi friends, that Dr. Ahmadinejad is liked more than Bush.  And this was clearly seen when he came and visited Bahgdad.

So I'm curious why you think Iran is your enemy, our country has helped let in many Iraqi's who were being abused by Saddam. 

The country I think you should be more concerned about is US, who made this war for economic reasons.  Since the war started, so many high tech military companies emerged...many are working on some of the most inhuman weapons...like ray-beam gun, machine gun robots, invinsible sheild UAV.  They take these weapons to Iraq to test it out and then sell it to other countries.  Then there is of course the oil, which US is determined to have it trade in US currency in order to protect itself from economic breakdown.



sadiq2006 -> RE: why all the hate towards Iran? (4/3/2008 2:09:25 PM)

my dear persianprince

you have to know that the persians are always are trouble makers in their past history, and also iran stole and invaded lands from iraq in the past if you have not noticed that before, and iran in this juge size it is all by fake more than 90% percent of the lands in iran are not your lands because simply iran (persia in diffirent language and culture), are not originally yours and iran also is originaly a very small land. 



Lion of Babylon -> RE: why all the hate towards Iran? (4/3/2008 5:32:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: persianprince

then I come here and look at some of the other threads and see slurs agains iranians.


persianprince. There are some who direct their insults at Iranians in general and its best to just ignore them. I can only speak for myself but there are some other members who do agree with me. I don't blame the Iranian people for actively promoting religious extremism and encouraging a Militia mentality in our country. Nor for supplying insurgents and terrorist groups with weapons and deadly IED's. These accusations are reserved for the government of the Islamic republic of Iran. If you browse through the various topics on this forum you will see that I and many others also hate the US/UK governments, Saudi Wahabis, Al Qaida and other religiously based twisted ideologies that have interfered with Iraq’s progress since 2003. So in short I believe your governments actions in our country is not an indication of the will of the Iranian people (at least I hope not). You guys are just as oppressed as we were during Saddam's time. Now the extremist Islamists who are running your country want to take us from one type of oppressive dictatorship to another making religion the basis of our future political agendas. This is why we hate your government but no your people. By the way welcome to the forum.



Calm -> RE: why all the hate towards Iran? (4/3/2008 8:50:53 PM)

I deleted what I have put earlier.  Just what I expected from some of the people in this forum.

Open your mind, and see what is going on around you.



baghdadi -> RE: why all the hate towards Iran? (4/4/2008 1:04:31 AM)

Mr. Persianprince, read history and see the current situtation, everyone continues to blame President Saddam, who has passed, this is the easy American-Iranian-Zoinist excuse.  Iran has caused more grief to Iraqis and Arabs than anyone in the last 1000 years.  What has the Persian empire today or past done good for the Arabs? Nothing................



MarkOfTheBeast -> RE: why all the hate towards Iran? (4/4/2008 3:11:57 AM)

Dear Calm,
 
A Pleasant Day,
 
Once again my dear friend we are entering Un Chartered waters! So let’s be very careful, you mentioned the link, and the stomach of the forum visitors, but my dear friend this movie is offensive!!, because of misrepresentation of Islam, and has been blown  out of context!, you are an Iraqi , I presume, and there are worst pictures than the pictures offered in this movie, but you never dear to criticize those pictures because of your faith! Watch the pictures and the daily news bulletins coming from Iraq and see what the American CHRISTIANS are doing there, believe me it is worst than every thing that you have seen!, by the way, look out for rape in the Bible, murder in the bible, slaying the bible, Pedophilia in the bible, some time when I read those texts, I want to through up!! So let’s be clear and civil about this issue, Links are widely available on You Tube, you can search and see, 9/11 was the biggest lie ever!!!!!!!!! And grow up.     [:D]



abujassim -> RE: why all the hate towards Iran? (4/4/2008 4:55:48 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Calm

I had this video a while, I did not want to show it to promote whats on it, but to show how sick minded some people are.  Many of these images as you can see are of Al-Qaida, also extermist groups.  Thats who we are against, not the people of Iran, but the Turbin men who promote murder of innocent men women and children. 
Video: Fitna the Movie: Geert Wilders' film about the Quran (English)
If you haven't got the stomach, please don't watch it.  And Harry, if you think it isn't suitable, by all means take it out.


i do not understand why did u put this link in this forum??? r u crazy??? of course it is ofensive and insulting! [X(] pls remove this dirty film and u should say sorry also. i will not watch this & the moderator must remove it now. u r crazy. [:@]



abujassim -> RE: why all the hate towards Iran? (4/4/2008 4:58:20 AM)

2 persian prince. pls explain yr ideas about the irani goverment. do u like them or hate them? after u answer i will respond. thank u.



Proton -> RE: why all the hate towards Iran? (4/4/2008 5:07:08 AM)

Persian Prince,

Iranians are good people, but their government is not.  These 'friendly' relations (from Iran's vantage point) are simply the channel by which to export the Islamic-Khomeiniist revolution to Iraq.  The only Iraqis I can think of who support Ahmadinejad, are the conservative-Shi'ites (namely among the regiment of Sadr/Hakim).

The only point I will agree with you on is some of the racist-sewage streaming across this forum.



abujassim -> RE: why all the hate towards Iran? (4/4/2008 5:39:01 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Proton

The only point I will agree with you on is some of the racist-sewage streaming across this forum.


can u pls point 2 wat u c as racist-sewage streaming across this forum. i want 2 b sure we share the same ideas about who is puting this type of coments on the forum. thank u.



Calm -> RE: why all the hate towards Iran? (4/4/2008 5:57:22 AM)

I do agree with you proton.  During my time in university, I lived with two iranians students.  They were real gentlemen, kind and generous, respectable and loyal friends.

Some people decided to refuse the truth.  The people of Iran cannot be held responsible for what their government are doing.

And for the americans and the west they didn't come to iraq waving the bible.  And Mark, I did not disrespect you, and you owe an opology.  I was talking about extremist, not Islam, and if you have bothered to read my inputs in past few years on this forum, you realise that I have most respect to Islam and other religions.  Freedom of choice to what a person wishes to worship.  God created us with a brain, but some people refuse to engage it in anything constructive, so please try and use your brain every now and then, you might see the benefit.



NeoBabylonian -> RE: why all the hate towards Iran? (4/4/2008 11:16:03 AM)

MOTB:
Thank you very much for saying that, I totally agree and can't have said it any better myself, without adding loads of insults at Calm for the stupidity of putting that up. So thanks for saving me from attempting to explain that to him, while embarrasing myself with getting angry and swearing.

Persian Prince:
I totally agree there are some real racist bigot in here - just like the rest of the internet, and I trust your good judgement of hopefully cyphering them out from their responses to this thread. [;)] 
As for me, I totally agree with LoB, my hatred is towards the (false) Islamist government in Tehran, that does not represent Islam or the Iranian People. Also, you will find that we attack them not too much more than any of the other foriegn and traitorous national organisations, even though the Iranian government's sponsered militias are by far causing most killings in Iraq, alongside our inept puppet government.

Besides which, we are on the same side mate, as your government is also oppressing the Iranians too. Anyway, welcome to the forum man, hope you enjoy your stay and make more good, thought-provoking contributions. An Iraqi Geamar ou Dibis breakfast is served at 10am, the water isn't safe to drink and may cause skin irritation on contact, and the local currency is Klashnikov bullets... Welcome! [:D] 

Calm:
If the West didn't come waving the Bible, that means they aren't representing Christianity, but a bunch of extremists who can't read saying it's Islam, so they are representing it? Your a hypocrite! From what I read in your posts, you seem to have a grudge against anything Muslim, and use the example of a few radicals to justify posting frankly unacceptable trash here. And I'd just like to add it isn't just Muslim extremists who don't allow freedom of choice - just look at the many Christian missionaries who use people's despiration to convert them to Christianity. They definately do a lot of Bible waving, and are morally no better than terrorists IMO.
No religion is better than another, and there are extremists who are equally bad in all religions. Terrorism is a military political tactic, and has nothing to do with Islam, but use it as a cover thanks to hatred of Western Foriegn policies in most muslim places, simply to get most recruits. Much like democracy and universal good policing is a cover for the US government to do equally evil deeds. Terrorist and Islamic extremists no more represent Islam that troops from a majority-Christian country ruled by a conservative Christian idiot who thinks he talks to God, represent Christianity. So I agree with MOTB's post, as saying the US troops represent Christianity is as inaccurate and false as saying Islamic extremists represent Islam. And you owe us an appology for that insulting bigotry in the vid you posted.



Calm -> RE: why all the hate towards Iran? (4/5/2008 9:11:12 PM)

I never ever said Islam is bad.  I am simply mentioning the fact that the christains in Iraq got the blame for the occupation, as if they sat before hand and planned it all. 

I don't know how long you've been in this forum, but open your mind and read what people are trying to say.  You cannot engage in a conversation by insulting others, and their opinion.  Just because you do not agree with someone's ideas, believes you turn round and belittle them.  It's worth reading and eductaing yourselves on how to debate a subject without insulting anyone.

I was simply looking at the meltia and the way the firing their missiles, and bombs, and suicide bombing if that is acceptable, so what isn't?

A million Iraqis died in the past 5 years, and Al-qaida or the americans didn't kill them all.

I am not a lover of america and they way they entered our country.  And I am not going to repeat what I said in the past, but they had no clue about our society, our country and religions.  Instead of bring all sides together, they widen the divide.  And, I can't see a way out.



MarkOfTheBeast -> RE: why all the hate towards Iran? (4/6/2008 1:50:19 AM)

Dear Calm,
 
A very good and a Pleasant day to you my friend,
 
Sorry for the delay in my reply since I was offshore surveying a 257,000 Tones Oil Tanker, with respect to you post I would say that, we are all here, in this forum trying to improve intercommunity relationship, also we are trying to present a new voice in the face of extremism and radicalism.  Post 9/11 the president of the US declared a CRUSADE against the enemies of the rising empire, CAN YOU TRANSLATE WHAT CRUSADE DOES MEAN??? I find it extremely amusing that some people joining discussion forums without having the art of discussion!!! If you refer back to my previous post, especially the hot topic of we are in Business, you will see that I had the ability to discuss and answer all your questions accurately without any prejudice, hence the sole reason for the One Million Figure that you have stated is the CHRISTIAN COILLISION which decided to invade a country in the name of spreading good and fighting evil!!! AL QAIDAA was created by WESTERN intelligence circles to serve as the driving cause to pass all those injustices made and still being made to all those poor people of the south, also as motivating factor for passing the world to a new era where people are treated as cattle.
 
Yesterday I was watching a movie called ((I am a Legend)) starring Will Smith, and you can never ever imagine how much did I enjoyed watching this movie, especially the part when Will Smith decides to BLOW HIM SELF UP IN THE FACE OF ALL THOSE VAMPIRES WHO ARE TRYING TO DESTROY HIS LIFE, Whoooooops,,, how can Hollywood produce such movie which justifies suicide??? How did create this movie?? Is he an Islamic fundamentalist?? NO, simply the creator was trying to represent the force of nature and what will go through the human mind when facing a DANGER HOPLESSLY,[8|]
 
My dear, friend Neo Babylonian, thanks for the comment on my posting and I deeply treasure this productive and valuable exchange of thoughts.[8|][8|]
 
Dear Calm, I owe you nothing, and I wonder what the reason was for remaining (AREEF) for such a long time????? Probably your brain power……[:D] [:D][:D]           



Calm -> RE: why all the hate towards Iran? (4/6/2008 2:48:17 AM)

Thanks Mark

My brain power produced 3 degrees, how many have you got?

I can see you are not intelligent enough for me to be engaged in any discussion, further more keep watching those films, very educational, and god bless hollywood.                



forstier -> RE: why all the hate towards Iran? (4/6/2008 3:10:27 AM)

I think that the perfect room for debating would be preceded by an outer room where exit could be gained only after every ounce of anger had been exhausted in hand to hand combats. Then perhaps reason could rise and exist where passion had exhausted itself.   Perhaps there are others more disciplined than I, but the minute PersianPrince decided to blame Americans and describe our unpopularity, I stopped listening to what he had to say and began looking around for verbal weapons to hurl back at him. I have a list containing 10,000 offenses committed by Iranians on the rest of the world, and I am sure he has a list of 10,000 offences committed by Americans on an innocent world. Both list should be combined, have the match set to them, and hope they ignite a passion for peace.   There is no one bad guy, no one hero, only imperfect people from many nations who have not succeeded in giving Iraq its due, in respecting its heritage, in giving a place for peace and prosperity, a place for its inhabitants to fortify their Spiritual dimensions, and learn what other religions bring to humanity, a place for families to do what they do universally, nurture children and fortify adults. Until we look at ourselves and determine how we have contributed to the problem, we are not worthy of entering the debate to criticize any one else’s actions. Until we walk a step farther and try to find out what we can do to provide the opportunity for a just resolution, we are not worthy to foist our preconceived notions off on anyone else.   I watch the posts here and seek to see wisdom in them. Sometimes I do and it heartens me. But we have so much irrelevant baloney floating through the debate that it is hard to see the real meat. So today, a step for me is this. Of all the things that I could do, what would be most beneficial for Iraq’s’ future? And why?



MarkOfTheBeast -> RE: why all the hate towards Iran? (4/6/2008 3:31:04 AM)

Dear Calm,
 
A Pleasant Day to you my friend,
 
It is quite clear that those three degrees did not give the ability to distinguish between offensive and non offensive material, however I will not engage in the blame game and insults, and you have to accept that Hollywood and over it’s history was extensively used to advertise every thing about America, was used to sell war and peace, was used to sell the American dream, so you can not deny the message that the big screen is trying to send to the wider public in all continents. And I will not treat you as an intellectually bankrupt person, and feel free to discuss anything in all fields that is including religion.

With respect to your first question, rest a sure, more than yours….[:D][:)]         [:D][:D]



abujassim -> RE: why all the hate towards Iran? (4/6/2008 7:05:09 AM)

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ORIGINAL: forstier
So today, a step for me is this. Of all the things that I could do, what would be most beneficial for Iraq’s’ future? And why?


this is a good question but 1 st I will have 2 say that these things must have been done at the start not after 5 years. i think there must be no more mercy on militias that r in control. the best chance was in basrah but maliki decide 2 stop early as usual. i think this was with advice from the usa because maliki is not strong 2 make such actions alone. after they hurt the militia they must teach children wat is the meaning of democracy. show them all type of democracy from the world, teach them wat it means because they do not understand. 2 so many of these children democracy is tanks and boms and killing. they c their father & mother with the blue fingers and then nothing more than death followed this voting. the clever ppl of Iraq must be protected by the government and usa. we lose 2 many since the war and more r leaving everyday. Us soldiers must b educated also about Iraq and our history. irani border must be safe 2 stop weapons from coming 2 iraq. electricity and other normal service must be fix and this will show the ppl that some one does care about them. there r so many things but I think now it is 2 late 4 it 2 work.



NeoBabylonian -> RE: why all the hate towards Iran? (4/6/2008 10:23:16 AM)

Dear Calm:
If that is indeed your point, as the Iraqi Christians are just as much victims of all this just like EVERY other group, then I welcome that opinion and agree totally with it.
However, where I see the problem is in the way you went about expressing it - by showing clearly anti-Islam, and frankly bigotry-filled ignorant BS. The way to defend Christianity from those ignorant allegations is NOT making equally ignorant and insulting allegations. That is simply asking for trouble and showing yourself willing to engage Islam as a whole for the actyions of a few hypocrites caling themselves Muslims. This serves only to give credit to those people. I try my very best to keep my mind open, and I wont deny my far past lineage included Shia, Sunni and Christians as recent as my great grandparents, but what you did honestly stirred anger inside me towards Christians - how could our own brothers in Iraq be so ignorant as to think that?
If you had posted that in the beginning, rather than the video, you wouldn't have caused all that trouble bro.

Dear MOTB:
I can't agree with you anymore my friend, and very well said. Terrorism is simply a military tactic like you said, and religion has always been used as a cover for political actions including war since Cyrius and the Persian's overthrowing of Babylon. It has nothing to do with Islam, and I am very happy and relieved there are intelligent people like you who understand that. I also agree that the aim of this site should be to increase relations between different communities, and fight the political powers who use false warped versions of religion to devide and conquor our people in Iraq. It's worthless to explain that, as you already did so 100% perfectly in your post, which you have my respect for.

Take care my friends.



Calm -> RE: why all the hate towards Iran? (4/6/2008 10:48:03 AM)

I might have made a mistake, but in no way would i ever blame islam or any other religion to what is happening in my/our country.

In every society, religion and country there is good and bad, and i felt angry too about that video and the way it displays Islam.  Majority of my friends are muslims from different countries, they were angry when I emailed them the links.  Some of them were trying to get in touch with their religious and community leaders to somehow deal with this problem.

We cannot go on blaming the west, and others, but to look at ourselves careful and make the change.  I for one feel I haven't done enough, yet I am writing books, and thats all I can do being disabled. 

So forgive me if I didn't explain myself.



NeoBabylonian -> RE: why all the hate towards Iran? (4/6/2008 11:19:25 AM)

Dear Calm:
I now know what your point is, and I agree with most parts of it. I also see how the misunderstanding happened. Me, and I'm sure many others in this forum, thought you posted the video as you agree with it - as a means to express your own opinion, rather than demonstrate the opposite one.

However, I don't think it is purely us to blame for the sorry state of Iraq - and the middle-east in general, but also the Western governments for so ruthlessly exploiting our situation. They are the ones who placed one dictator after another on us, and funding and arming their bloody revolutions, who are nothing but their ****es - they are traitors who care nothing about their country and people, but only for their greed, quenched by the scraps the West throws them from the feast table of exploited resources, while their country starves and never develops.
I also highly doubt that 'liberation' was the coalitions goal in invading Iraq, in my humble opinion, Saddam has become freed from their puppet strings, and stopped paying them their cut, so it was time for a more loyal leader to take over.

Also, please try to imagine how any other country, not necessarily a western nation, would have been if it was put in Iraq's shoes for the past 50 years. I'm not trying to make excuses, but people are people everywhere, and the way Iraqis have managed to cope with what has been thrown on them, and rise again from the ashes, is quite impressive. The situation in Iraq is appauling, but what do you get when all the prisoners (not political ones, they all happened to mysteriously diappear in Saddam's time) - the scum of society; psychos, violent people, perverts, thieves, degenerates etc... are set free, and all security forces scrapped. Add this to military disbandment and easily available weapons, and foriegn and domestic extremist political groups who fool those idiots to join for 'Islam', and you'll get an Iraq anywhere in the world.

I really can't see anything much more an average Iraqi there can do.

As someone in the UK, I try my best to explain the situation in Iraq, and how it isn't in our nature as a people to be like that to my friends, as well as making them imagine how 'appocolyptic' the UK will be like if the same happened here.

A also had a debate with a friend who voted for the current government in the elections, and tried explaining to him how instead of voting based on religion or ethnicity, we should vote for what we think is best for Iraq. Lets hope Iraqis learn from this example for the next elections - that is if militia-men wont force them into voting for their masters.



MarkOfTheBeast -> RE: why all the hate towards Iran? (4/6/2008 11:31:47 AM)

Dear New Babylon,
 
Thanks for your reply, the example given was by no means representing my views, at all, but simply was made for the sake of the argument and comparison. I do agree that we have a very heavy burden of educating people and separating them from extremism, but frankly and under this mass of pressure on the Islamic believes I feel that I am and maybe every one is hopeless, the most common question which I get when discussing the freedoms of the west and liberalism is examples of hatred and intolerance by the west towards Muslims, so I have decided to remain silent and not to discuss any thing anyone.  Let’s stick with Lager and Arak[:D][:D].
 
My dear Friend Calm, it gives me a great pride and honor to have a Christian friend like you and I hope that we could extend hands and shake them for the sake of One Country, One People and true human values,
 
Regards and Massive respect to you all my good friends[:)] [;)][;)]      



abujassim -> RE: why all the hate towards Iran? (4/6/2008 2:18:15 PM)

to calm neobab & mark

the Shia groups fight against other shia groups 4 power and money. this is the same reason 4 the Shia v Sunna conflict. these r large groups who r well armed & have political and financial objectives in iraq. the iraqi christians is a small peaceful group with no threat 2 the shia/sunna groups & their ambitions. so it makes no sense 4 the shia/sunna groups 2 atack them. the only group who have anything 2 win is al qaeda. they hate all christian jew & non muslims & they want iraq to be devided so it will make it easy 4 them to brainwash the ppl. i think it is time 4 all iraqis to stop fighting & see the real enemy.



Calm -> RE: why all the hate towards Iran? (4/6/2008 4:16:52 PM)

I dream that one day we have peace, and we on this forum will meet somewhere in Abu Nawas, get Ilham Al-madfai and his band, and dance the night away, with all the food we that we were brought up on, God I do miss really homemade Kuzzie, amd Maskouf.  Not to forget a real Farrida beer, proper Iraqi Arak, and for those who don't drink, a glass of fresh orange juice squeezed from Iraqi oranges.

After that (Like the good old days) we drive to Hella just as the sun rise on another peaceful day and have Kahi with real Clotted Cream (Khmer) made by Um Ali.

Those were the days before I left Iraq, and those will be the days Inshalla very soon.




abujassim -> RE: why all the hate towards Iran? (4/7/2008 1:58:12 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Calm

After that (Like the good old days) we drive to Hella just as the sun rise on another peaceful day and have Kahi with real Clotted Cream (Khmer) made by Um Ali.


i love gaimer & Kahi. we used 2 buy it from um nawfal. [:D]



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