what a humiliation for maliki and dawa party for what they have done to Iraqis. If saddam was still a live he would have been able to advice maliki to not make a stupid move in basrah that ended with his political career in the drains. Maliki please pack and go back to syria. Maliki might be a good school teacher or principle but not a prime minister
shame shame shame you lost your credability so cash in and leave, after all you came back to iraq for money just like others with you
God will take care of you and your likes and end you up in hell right next to your buddy saddam
what a shame
Maliki blinks by smintheus Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 11:02:42 AM PDT
On Sunday Nouri al-Maliki admitted defeat in his attempt to crack down on Moqtada al Sadr's Mahdi Army in Basra. Maliki had begun the week demanding that Mahdi forces surrender within 72 hours, calling this "a decisive and final battle." Yet as the disastrous campaign backfired in Basra, Baghdad and elsewhere Maliki pathetically extended the rejected deadline until April 8th. As Patrick Cockburn noted, "Maliki's confident prediction that he would crush the Mehdi Army is turning out to be a dangerous gamble that is fast eroding his authority." Today Maliki appears to have accepted a humiliating 'compromise' offered by Sadr (h/t Cernig). The Iraqi government will leave the Mahdi militia alone, which in turn will cease patrolling the streets under arms. It's a return to the status quo ante, except that Sadr has demonstrated his power conclusively - and Maliki his weakness. The hapless Prime Minister is trying to portray this as a climb-down by Sadr, naturally.
A spokesman for Mr Maliki, Ali al-Dabbagh, told Iraq television the statement was positive. "As the government of Iraq we welcome this statement. We believe this will support the government of Iraq's efforts to impose security."
Ali al-Dabbagh...warned in a telephone interview broadcast on Iraqi state TV that security forces would continue to target those who don't follow the order. "We expect a wide response to this call," he said. "After this announcement, anybody who targets the government and its institutions will be regarded ... as outlaws."
So far western news media have refrained from pointing out how thoroughly Maliki has been humiliated. But the idea that Sadr has given way under pressure is scarcely credible after the Mahdi Army's string of successes this week. The near disintegration of the Iraqi army sent to Basra has been the best possible endorsement of Sadr's political stature, whereas each day brings further disasters for the Iraqi government.
Dozens of Shiite gunmen stormed a state TV facility in central Basra before al-Sadr's declaration Sunday, forcing Iraqi troops guarding the building to flee and setting armored vehicles on fire. One of al-Maliki's top security officials was killed in a mortar attack against the palace that houses the military operations center, officials said.
The terms offered by Sadr indicate that he is playing the stronger hand. He is offering Maliki a face-saving retreat while staking out the moral high ground.
Moqtada Sadr's statement said: "Because of the religious responsibility, and to stop Iraqi blood being shed, and to maintain the unity of Iraq and to put an end to this sedition that the occupiers and their followers want to spread among the Iraqi people, we call for an end to armed appearances in Basra and all other provinces. "Anyone carrying a weapon and targeting government institutions will not be one of us." The cleric also demanded that the government apply the general amnesty law, release detainees and stop what he called illegal raids.
The latter are the same demands Sadr was making before Tuesday's attack in Basra, so in effect he's standing his ground while offering an armistice and a cooling off of tensions. The Mahdi Army will not give up their weapons, as Maliki had demanded. Furthermore, Sadr's offer included other terms as well, which the western media have not reported. Arab sources indicate that Sadr's nine-point proposal demands the withdrawal of Iraqi and US forces from Basra and, even more embarrassingly, the retreat of Maliki and his Defense and Interior ministers from Basra back to Baghdad within 48 hours. With the acceptance of his 'compromise', Sadr solidifies his power base in Basra. This Iraqi press release shows the extent to which Maliki has lost face:
Spokesman for the Iraqi government Ali Al-Dabbag, in a press release, said the government welcomed this call which would serve to avoid bloodshed, adding that this reflected Al-Sadr's keenness for maintaining the safety of civilians.
Maliki may have difficulty in holding onto power now. He's shown the incompetence not only of the best military forces under his direct control, but also of the Prime Minister personally. For at least five millenia it's been a truism in Mesopotamia that leaders, if they want to endure, must always avoid implicating themselves in military defeat. By taking charge of operations in Basra, Maliki showed how woefully out of touch he is with Iraqi political wisdom. Of course, at this stage it should surprise nobody that Maliki is incapable of governing. That was almost fated from the moment his name was floated as a compromise candidate in 2006. For Maliki, a former exile under Saddam Hussein, had no political base in Iraq. The Bush administration's misjudgment in backing yet another returned exile as leader in that badly fractured country has had the predictable consequence that the Iraqi government cannot function. It's fair to say at this date that there is no government in Iraq, just the mirage of one. Update: Fighting continues in Baghdad and Basra, and the truce may not be taking hold in fact. The NYT reports that "the substance of the nine-point statement, released by Mr. Sadr on Sunday afternoon, was hammered out in elaborate negotiations over the past few days with senior Iraqi officials, some of whom traveled to Iran to meet with Mr. Sadr". Sadr's spokesman earlier today told reporters that the Maliki government had accepted the deal in full.
"We confirm that there were guarantees taken from the Iraqi government to fulfill all the points in this statement. Thus, no more random arrests,"
But after Sadr announced the truce, a Maliki spokesman told Reuters that "the operation in Basra will continue and will not stop until it achieves its goals." Now Reuters is reporting also that Mahdi fighters doubt the Iraqi government will honor the terms of the truce. The LA Times, NYT, and Time all report that fighting is continuing, including further US air strikes in Basra. The truce may break down completely, then, before it could even take hold.
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after what happen i am now sure maliki is irani 3ameel. i am so heart broke about my country. i am sure now that i can never return. my country is finish and my roots must be broken becase iraq will now be farisi for ever. ok..maybe not forver but in my life i will never c iraq like i want to c it. so i prefer never to go back. god will punish bush sadr hakim chalabi because they are murderer and harami who kill iraq and make it hell on erth. if there is god he must c this and take our revenge 4 us. i now have no country.
I'm no politician or army tactition, but couldn't he just use all that oil money (that he has given away to Iran and militias for their blessing) to buy a few tanks and roll them on those ****s?
I mean how dumb does he have to be to think sending footsoldiers after the Mahdi army is going to achieve anything? Does he not know the Iraqi security forces are outgunned (at best similarly gunned), out motivated and out trained/experienced to take on those mahdi criminals?
Why send them anyway? What did he think he will achieve? Did he think the militias would just through down their guns and surrender after hearing Maliki's Godly voice say the terrifying "Security Crackdown" yet again, and start shaking in their boots? Ilkhatir Allah, his stupidity is beyond my comprehension!
It's like he is purposely part of a conspiracy to keep the ISF as badly armed and as weak as possible, without the retards of the world finding out.
And US airstrikes are notoriously inaacurate and only end up killing civilians whose relatives will more strongly consider joining the Mahdi army out of vengence.
So in my opinion the only way to defeat them is politically to make no compromise, a strong armoured ground offensive with Special Forces Assasinations of key Mahdi Army members.
And Sadr is residing in Iran? I now regret brushing off talk that Sadr is an Iranian agent before.
I hate to say this, but this seems to be the beginning of Iraq's death if the US and Iraqi government policies, and more importantly actions, change drastically, which I regret to say I doubt. RIP out glorious motherland.
I'm no politician or army tactition, but couldn't he just use all that oil money (that he has given away to Iran and militias for their blessing) to buy a few tanks and roll them on those ****s?
this is what the iraqi army should have done. thank u 4 yr words. IA must forget what the west say and use strong methods to finish jam from iraq forever. like u say they must asasinate jams big leaders 1st & then use heavy armor to finish the shuwadi on the streets.
Thank you very much bro, and very well put, I agree 100%. Unfortunately, it seems this tactically simple method is beyond Maliki's intellect, or the agenda of his puppet masters, so all we'll probably get is more embarresment from this monkey that western Media will ignore, with the repitition of 'Security Crackdown' like a broken record. By the way, what does 'jams' mean bro?
Also in my previous post, I was meaning to write this will be an end to Iraq if polcies and actions WONT change. Sorry for that mistake, lol.
Thank you very much my brother, I appreciate that. Also thats a very interesting picture, I never knew they now have their own uniforms with insignia - proof that there must be influence from much higher up the twisted ladder of Iraqi politics.
Dear abujassim: Damn! Camouflage, tactical vests - the Iraqi government MUST be helping them out, I totally agree bro. I heard and knew they had government influence - but not to the extent of being Jaish A9li. They don't seem like a 'Militia' but a 'Paramilitary' force.
May God protect all of the great Iraqi people from those crazies.
I'm no politician or army tactition, but couldn't he just use all that oil money (that he has given away to Iran and militias for their blessing) to buy a few tanks and roll them on those ****s?
I mean how dumb does he have to be to think sending footsoldiers after the Mahdi army is going to achieve anything? Does he not know the Iraqi security forces are outgunned (at best similarly gunned), out motivated and out trained/experienced to take on those mahdi criminals?
I think the question should be "how dumb does he think we are to believe this whole affair was a legit operation to begin with"!
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Why send them anyway? What did he think he will achieve? Did he think the militias would just through down their guns and surrender after hearing Maliki's Godly voice say the terrifying "Security Crackdown" yet again, and start shaking in their boots? Ilkhatir Allah, his stupidity is beyond my comprehension!
I'm begining to think his apparent incompetence has no relation to his stupidity. In my opinion this whole operation (whatever they callled it) appears to be part of a pre-agreed strategy and its main purpose being to strengthen Sadr's hand rather than weaken it. Like you I’m still trying to figure out how Maliki managed to explain his dismal performance in Basra? What happened to his statement that “Basra is a decisive and final battle,” and remember how he vowed to remain there and oversee operations against militias until security was completely restored? Maliki was so desperate for a way out that he even started offering money to militants who turned in their weapons. Then he sweetened the deal by saying that extremists “who lay down their arms and participated in the recent acts of violence” would not be prosecuted. How about a time share vacation villa on the gulf? Anything else we can do to appease you?
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So in my opinion the only way to defeat them is politically to make no compromise, a strong armoured ground offensive with Special Forces Assasinations of key Mahdi Army members.
And Sadr is residing in Iran? I now regret brushing off talk that Sadr is an Iranian agent before.
Welcome to reality Neo. Sadr, Maliki and most of the key government and religious figures are being supported by Iran. Even the ceasefire in Basra was brokered by the Iranians. Didn't you think it was ironic that the only weapons handed over during the ultimatum were those belonging to Maliki's security forces, many of whom turned over their weapons and equipment to Sadr’s boys.
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I hate to say this, but this seems to be the beginning of Iraq's death if the US and Iraqi government policies, and more importantly actions, change drastically, which I regret to say I doubt. RIP out glorious motherland.
Ma3al Asaf Al Shadeed I agree with you. Iraq was never paradise but even the parts of it that I know and love are now being systematically taken apart and re-invented. I don't think our country can recover from all this bloodshed and anarchy, at least not in my lifetime.
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ORIGINAL: Lion of Babylon I think the question should be "how dumb does he think we are to believe this whole affair was a legit operation to begin with"!
Very true, I totally agree with you there, his incopitence and frankly not giving a toss about it cannot be due to stupidity, because even then he would have learnt. Like you I now believe there is some sort of alternate motive, or agenda behind this as each day him and the Iraqi government seem to be purposely loosing respect and influence to the Jaish Al Mahdi.
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ORIGINAL Lion of Babylon saying that extremists “who lay down their arms and participated in the recent acts of violence” would not be prosecuted
Is this guy serious? He actually said that. Why haven't the US/NATO do anything about it, like them letting Ahmadinejad just walk right through there protected greenzone area and be protected by them. As strange as this my sound, I don't doubt the US and Iran might not be as big an enemies as the media makes them out to be. Who knows, maybe the US is even making deals with Iran to further themselves from this mess as quick as possible. Next thing Maliki will offer to clean their shoes, wash their asses and shampoo their guard dogs and take them on walks. Absolutely pathetic!
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ORIGINAL Lion of Babylon Yesterdays assasination of Riyad Al Nuri suggests there are some out there who agree with you.
Unfortunately those people don't have the heavy tanks to carry out the other part of my plan lol. But honestly, I didn't do it , and I can proove it - I'm innocent! I don't endorse it, but to be honest those Mahdi guys are criminals no better than the Taliban Terrorists and Bin Laden, and a fitting punishment for Riyad Al Nuri in my opinion would be hanging like Saddam and the other common dirty murderers.
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ORIGINAL Lion of Babylon Welcome to reality Neo. Sadr, Maliki and most of the key government and religious figures are being supported by Iran. Even the ceasefire in Basra was brokered by the Iranians. Didn't you think it was ironic that the only weapons handed over during the ultimatum were those belonging to Maliki's security forces, many of whom turned over their weapons and equipment to Sadr’s boys.
I can't agree with you any more my friend, this indeed seems to be the sorry reality there in Iraq. Ironically, when Iran takes over, they will be the first people to be killed, as not even their masters can stand such sorry excuses for human beings who betray their own country and people.
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ORIGINAL Lion of Babylon Ma3al Asaf Al Shadeed I agree with you. Iraq was never paradise but even the parts of it that I know and love are now being systematically taken apart and re-invented. I don't think our country can recover from all this bloodshed and anarchy, at least not in my lifetime.
Ma3al asaf indeed bro, I agree totally. I mean even the Iraq of my Childhood under Saddam was so much better than the hell it is now. This might sound pathetic bro, but the great land of Iraq can be destroyed and totally reinvented, and even the people could be totally changed mentally or physically others invade the land, but the notion of Iraq will always live on if we hold those precious memories we have of it, and teach them and our way of life to our children and our children's children. Hopefully one day we can return and rebuild that Iraq from our memories either there, or in our own diaspora homes. Take care bro.
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Thanks for your reply Neo. For such a young man you have a wise head on your shoulders. How long did you visit Iraq for in 2005 and what was your immediate impression after being away for so long?
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Shame on you Maliki - 
, and I can proove it - I'm innocent! 
I don't endorse it, but to be honest those Mahdi guys are criminals no better than the Taliban Terrorists and Bin Laden, and a fitting punishment for Riyad Al Nuri in my opinion would be hanging like Saddam and the other common dirty murderers. 
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