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Calm -> TIME TO HEAR THE TRUTH (12/6/2007 4:42:22 PM)

The newspapers, TV stations and radio in the UK and Europe annoucing in the pasty 10 days that everything is getting back to normal in Baghdad.  The Iraqi government and the American are winning the war, especially after they had made deals with the sunni's to solve their differences.

I like to hear from the people inside Iraq, and those who have families there.  I like to know who is telling the truth, and who is lying.

Yesterday we had the TV showing footage of the Kidnapped british, and there are 5 of them.  They have been kidnapped by some shiat gang, and no one seems to have the power to control them.  My brother said it was still as bad, they are having few weeks holiday, and will start again once they have rested their aching bones.

Tell me the truth...



sadiq2006 -> RE: TIME TO HEAR THE TRUTH (12/7/2007 8:53:43 AM)

Mr. calm

do not believe in the newspapers, TV stations and radio in the UK and Europe it is all lies. 



Calm -> RE: TIME TO HEAR THE TRUTH (12/7/2007 9:57:59 AM)

what is so significant about your reply.  You just like butting in even when you are not invited.  I wrote on the top its for people who are living in Iraq, or people who know or have relatives there.  How can you be american if you can't understand bloody english. 
Do you really think I give a monkey whether you believe in the media or not.  Do you think your opinion matters in anything that is going on.
I wish you get your brain into gear and think, but I believe that might hurt.



YellowSunshine -> RE: TIME TO HEAR THE TRUTH (12/8/2007 9:52:26 AM)

Calm, I hope this is ok to post?  I ALSO would like to know, been checking this for replies as you requested, bringing this to the top, so to speak by this post.





BREEZE -> RE: TIME TO HEAR THE TRUTH (12/9/2007 7:21:01 AM)

CALM, winning the war for them is when there is a decrease in casualties of their soldiers without taking into consideration how many iraqi ppl are dying day by day. Every time you step out from your house, you'd ask yourself, " am i coming back home" this is always the question since you don't know when and where suicide bombers or car bombs will take place. Everytime news comes out that the situation is getting better, it turns out the other way. I myself want to know the truth, what is really going on, when will this end, when can we feel safe. I guess it will take years before i see it back to normal again. For now, it is still "survival." 



Calm -> RE: TIME TO HEAR THE TRUTH (12/10/2007 11:03:01 PM)

Thank you for the reply.

Seven years ago I went to Baghdad for a holiday, and a holiday it wasn't, it was an experience.

My nephew looked after us well, and drove us everywhere, he had a bundle of money to give away, at check points, in the street to children running between cars and begging.  To people just stand there and watch your car and make sure no one put even his hand on it. 

I loved Iraq, and I love it even more now because the country cannot defend itself against the brutality of it's people.  Our Iraqi soil (to me) was holy, sacred, precious but no more, it's been tanted by so many invaders and so many worthless so called freedom fighters.

There used to be a say, and that is if you drink the water of the tigris, you must one day drink it again.  Who dares and drink the water? 

We changed as a nation.  No more loyality but greed beyond belief, no more respect to fellow man, no respect to women or children or old people.  We used to kiss the hands of an old person if we ever been in their company, but now, we simply put a gun to their heads a fire, simply to satisfy our hunger for blood.  Simply they wouldn't answer us back, or fight for themselves.  We used to help the needy, now we destroy them even more, so we could control them.  Destroy, divide, break up and control.

We used to work hard, from early hours of the morning, until our legs wouldn't carry us further, what happened to us?  Kidnapping, abductions, and obtaining money by so many evil ways.  Where is our respect for ourselves?

And our holy men, our so called holy men who in the name god are killing, raping, stealing from the nation, from the society, from whatever they could think of.  They used GOD as a weapon, Allah Akbar, and fire their weapons.

And our blessed government.  Not all, but most of them will do well acting in a film produced in holywood.  Dummies in men's cloth, uneducated, unexperience and lack all sorts of imagination.

Angry yes I am.



Lion of Babylon -> RE: TIME TO HEAR THE TRUTH (12/11/2007 8:51:47 AM)

After discussing with family in Baghdad its obvious that safety and improving security is largely dependent on where you live in Baghdad. Many say the situation has improved whilst others are still afraid to leave their houses because of the continuing killings, kidnappings and explosions. One of my cousins told me that it’s even dangerous to stand in front of your front door and talk to your neighbor because you don’t know what will happen in the next few minutes. Yesterday he said after passing one dead body in the street he heard gunshots which he later found had killed one of his neighbor’s sons so the overall improvements don’t reflect the whole of Baghdad. When I asked him if he thinks his area would also become safe in the near future he laughed and answered that the dangers on some streets of Baghdad are so rampant, he wonders if they will ever be safe again. I then asked him if he could explain why the dangers are continuing in his area despite reports and claims from Al Maliki that all Al Qaida operatives had been driven from Baghdad, he said the terrorists work for other foreign intelligence networks and pay good money to these gangsters to kill innocent Iraqis in order to keep Baghdad from gaining full stability. I then asked him about the electricity which I was told last month had improved to the point where they had 12 hrs a day. He said its gone back to 2 hrs a day and the large gen sets which are operated by local business men who rent out wattage to the neighborhood have stopped operating in the mornings because of the high cost of fuel. From this I would have to say that we have to take the amazing reports of improved security and services with a large pinch of salt. For every 2 steps forward we take one step back. In Iraq nothing is ever as it seems.



dritalin -> RE: TIME TO HEAR THE TRUTH (12/16/2007 9:22:14 PM)

I took a class this last semester on terrorism. I think when they say that the situation is improving what their refering to is something like a scale of violent actions. Imagine what would be between a scale with total war on one end and a peacefull society on the other. The grey area consists of things like muggings, and domestic violence at first. The next level might be organized crice, then something like civil strife, and riots. Before guerrilla war is terrorism. Guerrilla war expanded turns into a limited conventional war to conventional war. Behond that is wars of limited mass destruction and wars of total destruction.

The "war" in Iraq after the initial invasion rarely escalated past terrorism. That's why it's called an insurgency, not a guerrilla war. If Anbar had continued down the path that military intel had predicted it may have turned into a guerrilla war (look into Mao Zedongs 'peoples war'), whith so called "liberated provinces." ie, provinces held solidly by the guerrilla force (yah, sort of like a "green zone"). An example of war of unlimited descruction would be what the Mongols and Timur Lang did in Baghdad.

So when MNF-I (coalition forces) say that they've cleared al-queada from Baghdad they're referering primarly to military elements, capable of conducting military opperations. What this means for the security situation isn't necessarly an end to suffereing, but that the nature of the conflict becomes criminal. So the military can start to back off and let the police do police work. This is where popular support becomes so important. If the people support the local gov't, they're more likely to turn leads into local law enforcement. Local police collaborate with national police to indentify, target, and locate criminal cells. They can then attack and eliminate them.

Same theory with the Mahdi Army. If it expands to a conventional force, the military takes over. If it goes subversive it's targeting like organized crime (ie, Mafia or Cartels).



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