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Iraqi100Percent -> RE: Iraq's true enemy is Iran (12/8/2007 8:12:30 PM)

the religious leaders are the ticket to the american occupation and control over iraq just as monarchy is the ticket to controling saudi arabia, jordan just as the new breed of republic monarchy as it is in egypt and syria.

there is always a price and those who are willing to sell themselves for the right proce are the ones that have put their lives at risk to be in a green zone. Do you think if the USA is not there Sistani will be in Iraq or Hakim or Maliki ? give me a break. It's a big pot and the cooks are America, Iran and Israel however the arabs are the jarabs in this equation because they don't know how to play the game like iran that has been using the arabs as a bargining ticket in iraq, syria and lebanon just as how israel and the cia has been using the kurds in iraq as a bargening ticket.

now the winners in this conflict are iraq, israel, usa, kurds and the losers are the arabs

beside usa and israel, you have saudi arabia and iran that are running the show in the region and since 9/11 it's been he usa that has decided to paly along with iran instead of saudi arabia. However the saudis have the money and oil but it's iran that has the upper hand in the geo-political aspect of it.




NeoBabylonian -> RE: Iraq's true enemy is Iran (12/9/2007 11:25:26 AM)

Hi all, this is my first post here, and this seems like an awsome forum. [:)]

I just want to say I totally agree with baghdadi, Iran's very strong influence on Iraq is very worrying, especially on it's hold on our very corrupt government. Their special forces in my opinion are waging a war against the US, and they are doing that by ruthlessly continuing the anarchy and genocides of Iraqi people. That is to make the US fail it's mission and promise to install stability and make them look like a failure.

I'm not necessarily saying the US just wants stability, but also wants long-term presence in the area (as evident by the massive super-bases and embassy they are building) - stability is it's 'front' if you will. Iran also wants a long-term presence in the area, and the 'Shia uprising' is it's false front. Funnily enough, other countries also want a long-term presence in out country, or influence, and therefore are backing the Arabist/Sunni terrorist groups. I am no military expert, but I highly doubt those highly organised and professionally ruthless terrorists are you average Al-Qaeda - who no way can afford the high technology and extremely expensive equipments they are using, like remote-detonated C4 and new laser-designated Dragunovs.

All in all, in my opinion, many countries and corrupt evil governments from practically all sides are striving for long-term influence in Iraq (not necessarily for oil, as all our oil can't pay for the vast amounts spent by the US military), and as long as we keep falling for their hypocritical propoganda and associating ourselves and our loyalties to foriegn, non-Iraqi ethnic or religious identities, there will never be a peacefull united Iraq.



dritalin -> RE: Iraq's true enemy is Iran (12/9/2007 7:20:34 PM)

I have a friend here in the US who is Iranian. He and his family left Iran out of fear and disgust of the current gov't. He tells me that the gov't in Iran does not have wide popular support of the people. If this is true I was thinking that it may be possible that a stable free Iraq could right next to problematic repressed Iran could be trouble for the people in power.

Do you guys think that if Iraq succeeds in becoming a prosperous free people the people in Iran would begin wanting the same thing? It seems to me, and I've no real knowledge on the subject, that this is another reason why it's in Irans interest to keep Iraq from stabillity.

Thanks.



YellowSunshine -> RE: Iraq's true enemy is Iran (12/10/2007 12:19:13 PM)

dustin, makes sense to me.  if iraq got stronger and stable then perhaps iran would think of them as a next door threat. 
ya think?







sadiq2006 -> RE: Iraq's true enemy is Iran (12/17/2007 2:11:49 PM)

my dear dritalin and my dear yellowsunshine

iraq was strong before and it was the 4 strongest army in the world, but the greedy of america and iran and the arabs do not want it, and america do not want anyone to be stronger than it. 



NeoBabylonian -> RE: Iraq's true enemy is Iran (12/19/2007 8:33:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: sadiq2006

the arabs are enemy's of iraq also the kurdish are enemy's and turkey they are all enemy of mesopotamia (iraq), and lion of babylon why they did not invade iran simply because iran itself said : (they helped america to invade iraq and afganistan).[&o][X(][>:] 


Arabs? What do you mean by that bro, most of Iraq's population identify themselves as Arab, including me. Or do you mean the Arab race, i.e. the decendants of the people of Arabia (now Saudi Arabia) who were the last semetic wave into Iraq, there's no clear and reliable genetic census, but I think about just less than half the 'Arabs' are them. Or are you refering to the non-Mesopotamian, 'Arab' identifying people of surrounding countries?

quote:

ORIGINAL: Plato
sadiq give it up there is no mesopotamia now and that was a myth.


Why is there no Mesopotamia mate? That was the original name of most of the land of now Iraq, after the Greek invasion and Alexander the Great. It is just Greek for 'Land Between The Two Rivers', the Tigris and Euphrates.

Thanks in advance sadiq2006 and Plato, just a bit curious what you two meant.



YellowSunshine -> RE: Iraq's true enemy is Iran (12/28/2007 12:25:51 PM)

I just pray and hope that soon Iraq will become strong, be able to stand on it's own against Al Q., Iran, etc..  So that the-some may say excuse for our US military being there, excuse or not, it is enough, the US is suffering also, this is getting old and is very painfull for us all.  Even IF Al. Q. is a man-made excuse, someone quoted above.  ENOUGH!  Wars, death, destruction for money/power-control has been a fact of human history.  It is disgusting.  What is wrong with "us" anyway![:@]



sadiq2006 -> RE: Iraq's true enemy is Iran (12/31/2007 12:20:37 PM)

neobabylonian

first the arabs originated from mesopotamia from the time prophet noah (peace be upon him) who is a mesopotamian in his native country mesopotamia who they call him (the second adam or the second father of the human race), then they travelled to saudia arabia because they were forced, and also not all the semetic race lived in arabian penesuala some of them after the time great flood of noah they stayed in their native original land mesopotamia (iraq), and some of them travelled to saudia arabia like you call it.

and the arabs yes they are also enemy's of iraq because they do not want iraq to be the best and better than them if you read the history of the past in the islamic time before 1400 and at the time of the abbasid empire that was the best golden time in the islamic history ofcourse first prophet mohammed (peace be upon him) and then from the sahaba and imam ali and then to the abbasid period.

so that is why they feek jealous from it from the begging of the human history my dear neobabylonian.   




sadiq2006 -> RE: Iraq's true enemy is Iran (12/31/2007 12:23:03 PM)

SORRY SPELLING MISTAKE CORRECTING (FEEK) TO (FEEL)

neobabylonian

first the arabs originated from mesopotamia from the time prophet noah (peace be upon him) who is a mesopotamian in his native country mesopotamia who they call him (the second adam or the second father of the human race), then they travelled to saudia arabia because they were forced, and also not all the semetic race lived in arabian penesuala some of them after the time great flood of noah they stayed in their native original land mesopotamia (iraq), and some of them travelled to saudia arabia like you call it.

and the arabs yes they are also enemy's of iraq because they do not want iraq to be the best and better than them if you read the history of the past in the islamic time before 1400 and at the time of the abbasid empire that was the best golden time in the islamic history ofcourse first prophet mohammed (peace be upon him) and then from the sahaba and imam ali and then to the abbasid period.

so that is why they feel jealous from it from the begging of the human history my dear neobabylonian.   



NeoBabylonian -> RE: Iraq's true enemy is Iran (12/31/2007 5:52:00 PM)

sadiq2006
 
Thank you very much for your post. Some of the best philosophers of our time have struggled to clearly identify who or what makes someone an Arab. I hope you are aware that this groups does cross ethnic and racial boundaries, as can be seen in the atrocities of Darfur. Both the Janjaweed and the South Sudaneses people are black in race, but the janjaweed call themselves arabs and murder the others for this identity. Most people in Iraq, including myself, refer to ourselves as 'Arabs' - we speak the Arabic language (or a hybrid of it and other languages that make Iraqi language), and have a culture closely resembling there's, after the Islamisation and Arabization of Iraq. However, though unfortunately there has been no reliable or accurate genetics data collected, I am sure probably a majority of those people's ancestory is that of the Mesopotamian people who stayed there, rather than the Arab invaders - at worst a mixture of the two.

It is Iraqi culture to marry within your tribe, or 'similar tribes'. Though those tribes originated in the Arabian Peninsula, many Mesopotamians were incorporated into them, forming seperate branches. A good example I studied was the Shammar tribe. They originated in Northern part of Arabian Peninsula, however they incorporated many araemic-speakers and arabized them as well as even Turks and Kurds. Those people made small branches of the tribe, and they never marry 'normal' Shammar - but either people from their sub-tribe or totally other tribes.

Anyway, the Arabs who came to Iraq themselves became 'Mesopotamianized', and adopted a lot of the indiginous culture. The main point is that most of those Iraqi 'Arabs' are good decent people and want just what's best for Iraq. Also, in my opinion, it is wrong to racially profile people, and say "all arabs are bad" or "all kurds are bad", as most are decent people, but their image has either been tarnished by a minority, or they have been brainwashed and exploited by a truely evil minority.

Thank you very much for reading my post, and I wish everyone here a happy and blessed New Year.



ilovebaghdad -> RE: Iraq's true enemy is Iran (1/4/2008 9:19:34 PM)

Hi everyone I am new here and this is my first post....I think I have found the place of my dreams. At last there are people who seem to give a crap about our beloved country Iraq!!!!

I can at last hear views that resemble mine without being accused of gone insane. I don't know where most of you guys are from, but it sounds like there is no way you guys are living in the UK. I say that because the UK and especially London comprises of the current Iraqi government's families and extended families. Whilst I cannot say all the Iraqis in the UK comprise of this constituency, but certainly a majority enough to have forced me to live in isolation.

I just want to say that I definitely share the concerns of Neobabylonian's concerns about Iran. I want to add something that no one seems to have mentioned about the ethnic constituency of Iraq. Have you guys forgotten the taba3eeyah??? I don't mean to be racist here but 90% of those people's love and affection is 100% for Iran. Just for the record I am from Baghdad and I very dearly love Iraq, hence during the painful times when there were 100s of Iraqis being randomly exploded in Baghdad and Iraq in general it hurts to be told you deserve this by so-called Iraqis (taba3eyah).

The taba3eeyah have hatred for Iraq because of the way Saddam treated them. Whilst they have limited right to blame saddam on the treatment they received from him, they should remember that their regime is no better than Saddam because:

1) Saddam, who I 100% agree was a criminal of some magnitude, gave them the right to buy and sell property in Iraq as they wished;

2) gave them the lawful right to marry in court;

3) to study in top iraqi universities and live like all Iraqis equally.

Did you people know that the Iranian regime does not give any of the above rights to Iraqis living in Iran? This statment stands true to this date! Well done to the Islamic revolution of Iran!


Who do you think is supporting the Badr Brigade? patriotic Iraqis like me and you? I think not...


There is no way I can say something like this here in the UK because I will be frowned upon and called a bathy without hesitation......


IRAN IS HAS THIS INCREDIBLE INFLUENCE ON THE IRAQI PEOPLE THROUGH RELIGION.....THIS IS WHY WE NEED TO BE VERY CAREFUL NOT TO START RETRACTING FROM RELIGION BECAUSE OF POLITICS. POLITICS AND RELIGION SHOULD NEVER MIX!



NeoBabylonian -> RE: Iraq's true enemy is Iran (1/6/2008 2:45:31 PM)

Hi friend, first of I'd just like to welcome you to this forum. Virtually all people here share your honourable love and care about Iraq - the amazing thing is some of the people here are not even Iraqis, but are here out of care and love for people they probably never met. I'm sure you'll get to know those great people with time.

Second is that I regret and appologise for your experience with Iraqis here in the UK, like you I also live in the UK (though not London) and I strongly agree with most of what you say, and don't in any way think you are anything like the scum of Ba'athists.

I'd just like to know who are the 'taba3eyah'. I came here into the UK quite young (like 8 years old) so I don't really know of the many groups there, so I'd be gratefull for you to tell me. Thanks :) .

However, I do agree that Iran's influence is very worrying in Iraq. In my opinion, it is undoubtable they are now involved in a proxy-war against Iraq and the US - taking a tip from the US's proxy war against the Soviets in Afghanistan using the Taliban. They are using Shia extremists who are traitors to Iraq and Islam, who are brainwashed and unleashed to create genocides in Iraq. 
Rubbing salt into the wounds, they are also often sending their own nationals to fight in the guerilla war - thus the massive swarms of foriegn terrorists infecting Iraq.
Iran is not the only guilty one in my opinion - Syria, Jordan and Saudi are all equally guilty of funding terror in Iraq, however, their influence is no where near as strong as the Iranis who have clearly invaded the government too.



Adnan -> RE: Iraq's true enemy is Iran (1/7/2008 8:09:56 PM)

Best regards for all of you from Bosnia, Sarajevo, place that had similar destiny like yours Iraq, and especially city of Baghdad. So I think that based to my war experience, living four years under the siege, I can really understand what goes on there, and what kind of obstacles to surive you have to overcome in yours daily lives, within apart society exposed to violence.
By my point of view, religious separations between Sunni and Shia are not natural, including Iraq and Iran relations, they are created by west countries long time ago, durig Iraq-Iran war, and they are very powerfull tool for west alliance and Israel to achieve their political and economy goals, same strategy has been devoloped here in Bosnia between orthodox, muslims and cristians in order to destroy very promising social economy in a central of Europe.
Why Saddam regime failed?
Beacuse Americans truly loves your country and democracy in general (even they did not react on killings more than hundred thousnds cristians in Africa during last couple years, maybe they will in future if those get some oil sources) or beacuse, Saddam rejected to receive USA payments for oil in dollar currency, last years of his domination, what could deeply affect USA economy.
Beside, Iraq in compare with Iran and other Arab countries was in generally most liberal country without nuclear weapons, any connection with Al Qaeda, or terrorist attacks as of September 11.  So there were few "targets with higher priority" that  "endangered world saftey", like North Korea for example or Russia maybe.  
I am not sure, even probably, I am not deeply instructed to talk about yours biggest enemies, nor political relationships in Iraq, but as it seem to me milles away, yours biggest enemies at first are divided Iraq, economy controlled by Americans, political socitey created by Americans that completely serves their interests, than American economy aspirations, globalization, transnational comapnies, and finally Israel geostrategical interests as the state that through of USA has the most influence to world polithic. 
I am sure that someway I missed the point but according to my experiances and knowledge, every war is product of economy aspirations, esspecially if we know that USA economy is one of those completely based to war in a order to improve their GNP, cut interests and reduce unemployment. 

Finally, all muslims that exists in Bosnia and Herzegovina are sunni, and Iran during the our war days, were us the biggest supporter.

I have just wanted to offer you different opinion, not to dissagree with you. I really support you, and hope that Iraq will be liberated, as a higly talented nation with light future (your national soccer team prove it). Saddam has gone, I hope and Bush will to, soon as possible.  

Best regards, and take care.

Also sorry on my english!



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