ORIGINAL: Lion of Babylon Dude, you are such a bore! I've told you on so many occasions the point of this is for members to suggest alternatives to Maliki yet you continue to flood the thread with meaningless nonsense. Grow up and be constructive or post this repetative drivel on a kindergarten site.
He tried that, they hacked into his computer, and crashed it, so he stopped posting with them, and moved to higher form of life, thinking he will blend in.
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Dudes, its that time of year again....every 5-6 months the rumours start up about Maliki being replaced and the nominees are always the same. The last time these rumours surfaced was in late August, when Ayad Allawi was lobbying Washington to knock Maliki out and re-install him Iraq’s secularist hope. Before that, last May, word was Maliki was being knocked off his kursi in favour of Iraqi VP Adel Abdel Mahdi. Now the replacement rumour du jour, once again featuring Abdel Mahdi but this time with a power-sharing twist. The story goes that the anti-Maliki forces would like to replace him with Adel Abdul Mahdi. In order for this to be achieved Mahdi will have to muster the 138 votes needed for a no-confidence vote in parliament, by combining 53 votes from the Kurdish parties with 55 from Sunni groups and 30 from Hakim’s Islamic Council. Add another 40 votes from supporters of former prime ministers Ayad Allawi and Ibrahim al-Jafari, and you’re close to the two-thirds majority needed to form a new government.
What do you think? Is this power sharing solution a good one? At least we might get rid of Nouri "Frankenstein" Maliki!
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Wasn't sure where to put this article, however, I think this thread is the best for it. Hopefully, Tigris will come along and clean it up if my copy/paste doesn't come through properly.
Rebuilding a Baghdad Neighborhood By DANIEL PEPPER/DORA Mon Jan 14, 3:10 PM ET When Captain Nicholas M. Cook arrived in the Dora neighborhood of southern Baghdad in May, the place was like a ghost town. Nearly 50% of the homes were abandoned and the residents that remained rarely ventured out. Only the crackle of gunfire pierced the streets. "Everyday it was like clockwork - 10 to 11:30 am gunfire would start. They would break for lunch and then start up again in the afternoon," says Cook, a West Point graduate from Lansing, Michigan who is on his second tour in Iraq. if(window.yzq_d==null)window.yzq_d=new Object(); window.yzq_d['lCHLDULEYpM-']='&U=13bhnitbd%2fN%3dlCHLDULEYpM-%2fC%3d619213.12054947.12500278.1442997%2fD%3dLREC%2fB%3d4919452'; Dora is an affluent, upper-middle class neighborhood, home to many former Iraqi army generals and intelligence officers, almost completely Sunni and Baathist. It was just the kind of place hit hard by the 2003 orders to disband the Iraqi army and purge the government of ranking Baath party members. Cook's unit managed to turn the area around by patrolling 24-hours a day and putting up walls to choke off the flow of insurgents from the low-lying areas to the south. They went house to house, meeting every family they could find, asking about their problems, offering to help where they could and in the process building a network of reliable contacts and informants. They called these operations called 'close encounters'. They also cleaned up the community, investing heavily in infrastructure, building sidewalks, clearing trash, painting walls, and installing generators and new sewage lines where the government failed to provide them, all while fighting off insurgents. They refurbished a clinic and paid to upgrade a primary school. Today the neighborhood's abandonment rate is closer to 5%; where there used to be just 11 shops, 160 shops are now open on the main street. There hasn't been a major incident against Cook and his men for almost three months. (He lost five men while routing out insurgents and turning the neighborhood around; about a third of his men have been awarded Purple Hearts). Between Cook's area and an adjoining one, the U.S. spent close to $3 million, jumpstarting the local economy by hiring and sourcing locally. Another $4.7 million is budgeted for future projects. When he is out on patrol, primary schoolchildren dash across the street to greet Cook, running past armed neighborhood guards to proudly show him their report cards. "Hellow meestah Cook!" they shout. "Zien, zien!" Cook says, ("good, good") encouraging them in Arabic. Armed plainclothes gunmen - volunteers Cook helped organize - checked inside cars passing through the crosswalk. Just at that moment the mosque behind the school blares out the noontime call to prayer. "You never would have seen this a year ago," says Cook. He knows the mosque leaders well and has met almost daily with them since arriving. "When you meet him you know he's a holy man," he says of the blind imam in the nearby mosque. "The government is not coming here," says Cook. "You can't help but understand their desperation. If we don't stay here to help and maintain the infrastructure there is going to be no sustained progress." The unit has come to know the neighborhood in a way that would have been unthinkable just after the war, or even into 2004 and 2005. In fact, the U.S. military has never secured Iraq or controlled it so completely as it has today, and never before has their wealth of intelligence and ability to analyze it been better. And yet never before has the military looked and acted less like a fighting force than does today. "The problems that we have to worry about now - making sure the volunteers posted at the girls' high school don't stare at the young ladies - are a lot different from when we first arrived," says Cook. Cook and his men spend their days haranguing shady contractors, sending requests to government ministries for assistance, dragging community leaders to meetings, finding medicine for checking on home deeds from people who have recently moved in, learning the minutiae of Iraq's complicated ration card system, setting up neighborhood councils, and sometimes just lending an ear. The neighborhood still has a long way to go. It has just two entrances, only one of which residents feel safe enough driving in and out of. Some residents approach Cook to ask for help, or an application for a small grant. But many deliver cold, hard stares from a distance. And as safe as it is now, soldiers still wouldn't recommend a foreigner walk down the street without a flack jacket and a helmet. Cook is now concerned about larger issues, such as the central government's failure to maintain the U.S. financed school improvements and to allow the clinic they funded to stay open 24-hours. The government is also balking at incorporating the dozens of armed volunteer Sunni neighborhood watchmen into the Iraqi police. The days of decapitated heads, rocket-propelled grenades and small arms fire are still fresh in the minds of Dora's residents. Whether they will become a thing of the past never to return is anyone's guess. "My feeling is that those days are over. But will life ever really improve here?" asks Cook. "That's up to the government." View this article on Time.com
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"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." George Orwell
LOL! Well, sometimes "they" say black and white is better than grey. In politics we certainly would like to see the True Colors of these people, often don't until they have been around for awhile. Then the colors are pretty dingy/dirty.
LOB, you gave us a wide foYum dude!
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We need Dr. Ayad now more than ever! I hope he succeeds this time. Its just a shame that he is including that idiot Muqtada in the discussions.
Allawi aim at political coup
23/1/2008
Former Iraqi Prime Minister Ayad Allawi confirmed going ahead on his attempts to “form a broad front” embracing political parties and the tribal leaders to achieve what he called a real national reconciliation.
In an interview with Radio Sawa aired yesterday, Allawi said the new front he aimed at forming was much bigger than the parties in the political process, saying that there were negotiations and dialogue with a number of the political leaders in that respect, such as former prime minister Ibrahim Ja’afari, Fadhila party and Sadr movement.
“the current political process in the country was more complicated than anytime before, national reconciliation process has failed and became only a tool to divide the process” he told the radio.
Another ex PM decides to form a new party/movement. Heres the surprise...Jafari has always hated the Baathists with a passion yet he recognises that in order to move forward, all political parties must be included, even the baathists. At least he is formulating a new political approach given nothing else has worked so far in Iraq. I think its become evident to him that even he of all people has to deal with them. Unfortunately, in the end, politics wins over principles if substantial results are to be achieved.
Ex- PM sets on forming new movement Baghdad, 27 January 2008 (Voices of Iraq)
Former Prime Minister Ibrahim al Jaafari on Sunday said he was poised to announce a new pluralist political movement including figures of different ethnicities and sects.
“It is not a front or powerful gathering, but a political entity including all people, irrespective of their sectarian, religious, ethnic or political backgrounds, who meet on mutual aims”, al-Jaafari told Aswat al-Iraq-Voices of Iraq-(VOI) in Cairo.
He added “the movement includes many Arab, Kurdish and Turkomen figures as well as female politicians meeting on common political platform and principles”.
The movement, according to the premier, aims at “building a civil society, and not political quota system, committed to the democratic process in its principles and mechanisms”.
The ex-MP also noted “the name of the movement is still under consideration, but must signify reform, its main aim”.
Visiting Egypt, Al-Jaafari, a United Iraqi Coalition (UIC) lawmaker of the Shiite Dawa party, is meeting different Arab and Iraqi political figures.
On the political front, he pointed out the upholders of “the national reconciliation by addressing different armed groups aspired to shortening time and defining the fine lines of its targets”.
The MP expected “achieving national reconciliation would enable Iraq to overcome many problems, improve security and reduce violence”.
“Those who put up weapons either they opposed the presence of foreign troops in Iraq, or sought political considerations, wanted to have direct political participation”, he highlighted.
He added “there were different targets and we must sit with every group”.
Al-Jaafari also referred to the fact that “the government, leading the political process, and not only the armed groups have demands, required reciprocal commitments from the armed groups and period of time (to achieve them)”.
For the first time, the Shiite Islamist politician, conceded he “met several figures opposing the government and the current political process in Iraq during Egypt’s visits, including Baathists."
Asked whether they had some unified demands, he said “they looked forward to setting free all unconvicted prisoners and replacing debaathification law by the accountability and justice law”.
The latest rumour I heard that there was a proposition by Condelica Rice as part of the so-called national reconciliation to make Adel Abdul Mehdi (the vice-president that favours federalism and Iran) Prime Minister instead of Maliki and to replace Talabani with Tareq Al Hashimi (who in contrary to Abdul Mehdi favours a single central government and unified Iraq) and Talabani would be vice president along with someone from the Dawa Party (in compensation of giving the the presidency to a Sunni Arab and the Prime Minister role to someone from Al Hakim's party. The Foreign Minstry role would be filled by Mahmoud Al Mashhadani. The Kurds in compensation for loosing the presidency and foregign ministry roles would take one of the vice presidency roles (Talabani) and possibly the Defence Ministry and the Parliamentry Speaker role (Foud Maassoum most likely). However, that plan was as of last November and I am not sure if they changed their minds following the so-called improvement of security in some areas of the country.
Allawi is still the best alternative. Allawi as PM and Saleh Al Mutlaq or Hashimi as president if not Talabani, would be slightly nicer than what they have at the moment but it does not look likely.
do not believe in this alawi guy and all those crazy iraqi politicles they came from america from discos and they care only for money not the iraqi people.
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do not believe in this alawi guy and all those crazy iraqi politicles they came from america from discos and they care only for money not the iraqi people.
god bless you my dear.
Sadiq.
I am challenging you.
If you call yourself an intelligent person, then do this.
Give us a name of a person who you think or believe will be the best for Iraq’s future.
Don’t tell us who is not good for Iraq; only give us one name. If you don’t know what “ONE” means then look at the following number, 1Name.
That is as meny names we want you to write. No long sentences, no other words, no explanations what so ever. JUST A NAME.
If you fail this challenge, then you prove to us, to you, and to the whole world that you are an illiterate person.
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if you want to live in your fantasy life forever and believe in these iraqi leaders then suit yourself, but do not make a fool on others about these iraqi leaders.
i rest my case if you want to still believe in these iraqi leaders and if you want still live in your fantasy life about them then go ahead keep dreaming about them and have a fantasy life.
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if you want to live in your fantasy life forever and believe in these iraqi leaders then suit yourself, but do not make a fool on others about these iraqi leaders.
i rest my case if you want to still believe in these iraqi leaders and if you want still live in your fantasy life about them then go ahead keep dreaming about them and have a fantasy life.
There you go, now you proved to the entire world that you are a dumb, stupid, moron, jackass.
you will never be respected among any group of people.
you are the dumb stupid moron and jackass iraqi people like you let saddam hussain rule iraq and destroy it with its great civilization and history goes back 8000 years ago, and made it a waste loss for nothing, like you never know how to chose any great iraqi leader and wipe mesopotamia (iraq) for nothing, people like you let iraq from 80 years ago be divided the north into three parts and the south also, people will divide iraq again to wipe from the face of the earth, people do not know how to choose a great leader for iraq, people like you still believes in these discusting leaders who never cares about iraq, people like you are very very very very very very very illiterate people who does not know how to choose a great leader for iraq you stupid naive human being, people like you iraq has been destroyed forever you slimy basterd.
from 80 years ago when the ottoman calapsed from the british envasion, was there any descent iraq leader at that time up until now, now never not a single one you will never be respected among any group of people.
Sadiq, the longer you post on this forum, the more you sound like one of those loons that walk around with a placard over their shoulders screaming to passersby that the end of the world is near. You are certifiable!
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please you are the dumb stupid moron and jackass and naive still believing in these crazy iraqi leaders you ****.
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you are the dumb stupid moron and jackass iraqi people like you let saddam hussain rule iraq and destroy it with its great civilization and history goes back 8000 years ago, and made it a waste loss for nothing, like you never know how to chose any great iraqi leader and wipe mesopotamia (iraq) for nothing, people like you let iraq from 80 years ago be divided the north into three parts and the south also, people will divide iraq again to wipe from the face of the earth, people do not know how to choose a great leader for iraq, people like you still believes in these discusting leaders who never cares about iraq, people like you are very very very very very very very illiterate people who does not know how to choose a great leader for iraq you stupid naive human being, people like you iraq has been destroyed forever you slimy basterd.
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from 80 years ago when the ottoman calapsed from the british envasion, was there any descent iraq leader at that time up until now, now never not a single one you will never be respected among any group of people.
Hey, Dumbass. All I asked from you is to come up with a name, just one name. I did not specify any thing; I did not say it has to be a name of an Iraqi, or any other nationality. All I asked from you is to name one person who you (with the vacancy between your ears) think who is the best candidate for prime minister in Iraq.
How hard is that? My 9-year-old daughter was able to come up with a name of a presidential candidate during our primary elections here in California, and when I asked her why she picked that candidate? She came up with a bunch of pretty good reasons for her decision.
If you don’t have the intelligence of a 9-year-old! Then we all know who is the real Jackass between us. L.O.B. is correct, the more you write your filth, the more you are proving to the world that wind is blowing where your brain should have been.
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i do not care about any candidate in iraq because all of them are looking for there own benefit and money and power, and for that reason everyone is not looking and caring iraq in any way that is why iraq was divided before, and now they want to divide it again cannot understand that. if you a truly candidate the iraqi people they should choose from their heart and dignity and respect and choose from iraq itself who cares about iraq in every part of it and every land that is left, and for the iraqi people and their dignity and chosen by america or british of france because they do not care about iraq nor even the arabs in their stupid naive life way.
do you understand if the iraqi are vanished from face of the earth and been killed this will happen to another nation and another and another and this time nobody can stop it and it will be very very very very very late for the people, and if it continues like this way in iraq and nobody is doing anything it will to other nations like i said before and it will be too late for everyone, that is why i am concerned.
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, they hacked into his computer, and crashed it
, so he stopped posting with them
, and moved to higher form of life, thinking he will blend in
. 
Oh my I made a mess of that post. Here's a link that's far easier to read: 
LOL! Well, sometimes "they" say black and white is better than grey. In politics we certainly would like to see the True Colors of these people, often don't until they have been around for awhile. Then the colors are pretty dingy/dirty. 
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