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al ani -> Iraqi Kurd's Doom (10/27/2007 10:53:52 AM)

We like to ask about Kurd's Doom if the Turk are not agree Bush Instructions,
Turkey Pulls U.S. Into Decision on Kurds Ankara Postpones Reaction to Iraq-Based Militants Until After Meeting With Bush By Karen DeYoung Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, October 27, 2007; Page A09 Turkey's military chief said yesterday that Ankara will delay a decision on whether to launch a cross-border offensive into Iraq until after Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan meets here with President Bush 10 days from now. "We will wait for his return," Gen. Yasar Buyukanit told reporters in the Turkish capital. In Washington, officials were relieved that an attack does not appear imminent. But they were also discouraged by the statement, which leaves the Bush administration precisely where it does not want to be: in the middle of a confrontation between its troubled client state in Baghdad and a key NATO ally.

Since cross-border attacks this month by Iraq-based militants of the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) left 40 Turkish soldiers, police and civilians dead, the Bush administration has sought to persuade Ankara and Baghdad to resolve their differences peacefully and directly. "We think this is an opportunity for the Iraqis and the Turks to work together," Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice told Congress Thursday. So far, however, it is an opportunity that neither side appears eager to take. While administration officials enthusiastically called attention to a meeting of Iraqi and Turkish defense and security officials in Ankara yesterday, Turkish officials said that no progress had been made. "Everyone there is guilty," Deputy Prime Minister Cemil Cicek said in a Turkish television interview, referring to the PKK, which both the United States and Europe have labeled a terrorist organization. Ankara has given Baghdad a list of names of PKK members, he said, "and we want all of them to be handed over." U.S. officials have estimated the PKK to number about 4,000 fighters, most of them based in remote camps close to the border. Turkey's movement of nearly 100,000 troops to the Iraqi border has suddenly focused attention on an issue long relegated to the category of "too hard," a senior administration official said.



aboumohamed -> RE: Iraqi Kurd's Doom (10/27/2007 11:12:37 AM)

Mr Alani
The problem that Turk asked EU to help the turky army againest the PKK,see the News/
ANKARA, Turkey (AP) -- Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan urged European Union countries on Saturday to extradite Kurdish rebels to Turkey, saying they were failing to support Turkey's struggle. "No EU country has extradited members of the PKK to Turkey, despite labeling it as a terrorist organization," Erdogan said. Turkey maintains the separatist rebels take refuge and raise money in western Europe. "We would like to see our friends beside us in this struggle," he said.
meanwhile, Iraqi officials -- including the defense minister -- returned home Saturday after talks in Ankara on Friday failed to produce any breakthroughs. Turkey has demanded the extradition of PKK leaders, and CNN-Turk television, citing unidentified Iraqi officials, said Ankara is seeking a total of 153 PKK members. On the streets of Irbil, in the Kurdish controlled north of Iraq, residents scoffed at the Turkish proposals. "We as Kurds refuse to hand over to Turkey the 150 individuals listed, names which include the Kurdish leaders," resident Shorash Haida told Associated Press Television News. "This will never happen."



Harry -> RE: Iraqi Kurd's Doom (10/27/2007 11:22:38 AM)

Despite the fact that Turkey will not be needing any help from the EU, the EU itself will never get involved in this matter since Turkey is not a member; however, some of the European countries might get involved as members of the UN, but not as EU members.
 
I believe that the US will be able to convince the Iraqi government puppets to tighten the leash on the PKK and its leaders to halt the incursions inside the Turkish borders, therefore cutting the support to the Kurdish so called freedom fighters in Turkey.



Iraqi100Percent -> RE: Iraqi Kurd's Doom (10/27/2007 11:30:15 AM)

Harry

whatever keeps this government in power the longest. This so called government has one purpose, to drain Iraq from its oil sales and keep a percentage in their pocket. They all took the high moral ground talking about saddam's so called 8% from oil now they all, not one, get their share and keep the poor country going backward.

such corrupt individuals are the reason for the birth of a dictatorship, you will see

let's see what Iraqis kurds will do next to deal with their own elected government, ignore the call from their brothers in turkey or turn against their own elected boarder smugglers once and for all.



al ani -> RE: Iraqi Kurd's Doom (10/27/2007 12:52:29 PM)

Turky Armay annaounce
yes Mr Harry i agree with you but you can read this annaouncement of the turky Armay,

ANKARA, Turkey Oct 27, 2007 (AP) Font Size


var addthis_pub = 'abcnews'; Turkey's top military commander promised Saturday to make Iraq-based Kurdish rebels "grieve with an intensity that they cannot imagine," while the prime minister said his nation would fight "when needed," regardless of international pressure. The military chief, Gen. Yasar Buyukanit, said Friday that Turkey would wait until Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan met with President Bush in Washington on Nov. 5 before deciding on any cross-border offensive. Top International stories
adsonar_placementId=1280772;adsonar_pid=43749;adsonar_ps=-1;adsonar_zw=165;adsonar_zh=220;adsonar_jv='ads.adsonar.com'; But Erdogan said his country could not be pinned down by dates in deciding whether to attack. "We can't say when or how we will do it, we will just do it," he said.



havalkaka -> RE: Iraqi Kurd's Doom (10/27/2007 3:03:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: al ani

Turky Armay annaounce
yes Mr Harry i agree with you but you can read this annaouncement of the turky Armay,

ANKARA, Turkey Oct 27, 2007 (AP) Font Size


var addthis_pub = 'abcnews'; Turkey's top military commander promised Saturday to make Iraq-based Kurdish rebels "grieve with an intensity that they cannot imagine," while the prime minister said his nation would fight "when needed," regardless of international pressure. The military chief, Gen. Yasar Buyukanit, said Friday that Turkey would wait until Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan met with President Bush in Washington on Nov. 5 before deciding on any cross-border offensive. Top International stories
adsonar_placementId=1280772;adsonar_pid=43749;adsonar_ps=-1;adsonar_zw=165;adsonar_zh=220;adsonar_jv='ads.adsonar.com'; But Erdogan said his country could not be pinned down by dates in deciding whether to attack. "We can't say when or how we will do it, we will just do it," he said.



A Day-dreaming Arab...[:D][:D][:D][:D][:D]
I am so happy that Turkey will attack those **** kurds. Turkey, the 2nd strongest army in Nato... what a great piece of exciting news. but I can't wait for that moment. Come on turks! do it for us, we are destroyed by envy, we are so jealous of those kurds' life and freedom. Kill them all, destroy their cities and towns and villages that we destroyed before... but it didn't work...what else can we do. If Iran also comes from the other side ...oh no I hate shias... We send an iraqi delegate to ankara...to stop turkey [:D][:D] , I know what they told the turks...they can't wait either... but I am afraid of uncertainty, of death, of cemetries, of mountains, of night shooters, of that kurdish dress and turban, of blood, aljazeera is also very excited like me... all arabs are saying the situation is very grave. But syria helped pkk, oh we arabs are hypocrites but itis all todo with interests, we are all human being. I am sure that american Sadiq is celebrating with some wine and arak. Smelly Sadiq, he is real arab. see you Sadiq in Erbil... 



al ani -> RE: Iraqi Kurd's Doom (10/27/2007 3:44:01 PM)

 Havalkaka
Iraq from Zakhou tell Kourna and from Ratba tell KHanikien is our country we must defende againest the enemy whom like to attack us, this is our role and I do n't care for person which have a deviated mind.



havalkaka -> RE: Iraqi Kurd's Doom (10/27/2007 4:42:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: al ani

 Havalkaka
Iraq from Zakhou tell Kourna and from Ratba tell KHanikien is our country we must defende againest the enemy whom like to attack us, this is our role and I do n't care for person which have a deviated mind.


from Zakho to kuwait- not just Qorna. I agree with you, we iraqis should respect our neighbours like we did with iran and kuwait.We only waged a war on them for fe years...
From today, I will only eat turkish dolma and turkish paklava and turkish delight(Halqoom) and turkish figs and fly turkish airlines. I am only worried about how many young boys will be taken to the slaughter Mount Qandeel(Haj Omran). In 1976~ to date the criminal Baath army couldn't stay on day on Mount Qandeel(in winter). The PKK have their bases there, many of them are suicidal communist boys and girls(yes girls) who are also eager to blow themselves up in turkish cities like the arabs. Mount Qandeel is huge, covered with snow all year round, full of forests, rocks,caves, partridges and snakes. A typical romantic place. It will take you full day to get to the lower tops. helicopters and aeroplanes can't be used. Thats why turkish army(2nd largest in Nato) haven't defeated them yet. But turkey wants to destroy what the kurds in iraq built. It says that frankly. In 2003 and just before the american invasion, turke's arrrse was itching for taking all "north of iraq" and invited the unwilling iraqi kurds to ankara to pesuade them but the kurds said"if turkish army enters, we declare war on them". The kurdish delegates were then beaten up by the security thugs.



akrawi1 -> RE: Iraqi Kurd's Doom (10/28/2007 3:00:40 AM)

Last News
A haven for Kurdish rebels who await the Turks PKK fighters train in Iraq's northern mountains, sheltered by the terrain and by villagers who hail them as champions of their rights. By Asso Ahmed, Special to The Times
October 28, 2007 MARDU, IRAQ -- It is a land of resistance, the mountain peaks and winding valleys where Iraq's Kurds battled Saddam Hussein for decades. Now another generation of guerrillas is bunkered down waving the flag of Kurdish nationalism in the Qandil mountains, this time in a fight against Turkey.

Iraqi Kurds and members of the Turkish separatist Kurdistan Workers Party, or PKK, live together in this vast mountain range that straddles Iraq, Turkey and Iran. The haven provided to the Turkish Kurd rebels here infuriates the Turkish government in Ankara, which has been locked in an intense conflict with the Kurdish separatist movement that has cost thousands of lives since the 1980s.

With as many as 100,000 Turkish troops poised to march across the Iraqi border to attack PKK camps, a military response to a rebel ambush in southern Turkey last week that killed 12 soldiers, Iraqi Kurds may now pay a steep price for ignoring the problems caused by the PKK presence in the north.

"Iraqi Kurds generally sympathize with PKK fighters. It is a force that has been demanding and fighting for the rights of Kurds in Turkey for tens of years now, and the Turks have been very harsh to their Kurdish community by forbidding them from rights," said Asso Hardi, editor-in-chief of Awena, an independent newspaper in the city of Sulaymaniya in Iraq's semiautonomous Kurdistan region. "On the other hand, many Iraqi Kurds view the PKK as an entity . . . which has caused many problems to the relatively stable Kurdistan area of Iraq, especially with neighboring countries."

Up a winding series of switchbacks lies Mardu village, northeast of Sulaymaniya. Kurdish farmers tend livestock and harvest peaches, apples and grapes. A few houses among dotted oak trees serve as a makeshift headquarters for the PKK. Male and female fighters, dressed in traditional billowing shalwar pants and olive combat tops, walk freely. Local Iraqis openly support them, and some Iraqi Kurds have left city life and their families to become soldiers with the Turkish Kurd rebels and their Iranian sister movement, Party for Free Life In Kurdistan, or PEJAK.

The villagers toast the guerrillas as champions of Kurdish rights. They say they are willing to endure sacrifices as the price of their association with a movement fighting to establish Kurdish self-rule in Turkey and Iran, where they believe their minority's basic privileges are denied.

"Three times I lost my house but I never scorned the Kurdish movement. The PKK and PEJAK have been in our village for years," said farmer Mohammed Wasso, 64, whose property was destroyed during the Iraqi Kurds' hard-fought war against Hussein's forces.

Some describe the PKK as a vital trading partner and protector in a lawless area. Hussein Rashid, 45, regularly hauls gasoline and kerosene from Iran to sell to the guerrillas. He warned, "If the PKK is not here, then this will be a place for terrorism and Iran will send Ansar al Islam," a Sunni extremist group with links to Al Qaeda.



SoranJ -> RE: Iraqi Kurd's Doom (10/28/2007 1:34:55 PM)

 
i am proud of our men and woman in the PKK. we will crush the turkish army and let them run. it will be like how we made saddams army run when they tried to capture our mountains.
arabs, watch and learn because you will be next.



Lion of Babylon -> RE: Iraqi Kurd's Doom (10/28/2007 1:43:20 PM)

I don't know what hole you crawled out of but I would like to make a suggestion. Both you and Sadiq2006 should open a forum of your own. You can't spell, have nothing of substance to say and have the mental capacity of a flea. Perhaps you are related.



Harry -> RE: Iraqi Kurd's Doom (10/29/2007 10:01:50 AM)

I moved this topic to the Iraqi Kurdish issue forum where it belongs.
In the future, please any Kurdish issue should be posted in its proper forum.

Thanks to all.



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