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Iraqi100Percent -> kurds, kurds and then kurds (10/27/2007 1:26:19 AM)

I would have to say that Iraq's problems have always centered around two groups of people. The kurds and the 3ajam Shia

Although they don't call themselves Iraqis nor they care about Iraq, many of them unfortunitly hold Iraqi citizenship and have allowed themselves to be bought with lots of cash from Iraq's enemies, the Americans, Israelis and the Iranians. In short, they have collaborated with everyone but Arabs.

Kurds and 3ajam from Iran didn't leave Iraq alone be it when saddam was around or not. It has been shown time and again that the problems in Iraq did not stem from saddam but from those who have sold their country and people and allowed themselves to be manipulated by Iraq's enemies.

The kurds kept on dreaming and their leaders liked the idea of nationalizim cause that is what united the different factions. When you can't rule them all, nationalize their thinking and you have one communist, socialist force. With this force, the kurdish leadership, with the help of its own terrorist organizations have damaged Iraq for many many years. They complained when saddam tried to stop their attacks, now Iraq's own president, a kurd himself stood against his own people to call the kurdish 'freedom fighters' a terrorist organization.

so far maliki and mam jallal have proven that saddam was dealing with a problem that was imposed on his country and now the so called government of iraq is giving execuses for not being able to deal with the kurdish problem.

you will soon see the truble in the kurdish areas when kurds will turn against each others because this nationalitsic ideology that was imposed on kurds has gone too far and poor kurds have realized that the kurdish leadership in iraq does not give a damn about the kurds as a nation but they care more about their influence and pockets.

as for the 3ajam in iraq, although many of them were communists, they have put on a religous cover and that's the card they are playing. They are a little better off for now since they have Iran behind them, but that issue needs time and their time will come the next time a republican runs the white house, in 8 more years.

at that point, iran will have gone through a weakining transformation like iraq and the 3ajam and arab shia in Iraq will be divided

his so called iraqi government will not last and if it doesn't dissolve itself, it will be overun by iranian based interests.

hope for peace and hope to those iraqis, the sons and daughters of mesopotamia




Harry -> RE: kurds, kurds and then kurds (10/27/2007 11:41:38 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Iraqi100Percent
I would have to say that Iraq's problems have always centered around two groups of people. The kurds and the 3ajam Shia


Yes, those two groups of people could not stand the fact that Iraq was becoming the center of modern civilization in the Middle East; so, they had to do something to sour the milk. Their butts was on fire, their hearts were full of envy, and since none of them could do anything alone; they got their empty heads together, and with whatever little nugget size brain they had, they looked for outside help.
 
Unfortunately for them that the USSR was not available anymore, and, it just so happened that the bushy family was ruling the one and only super-power that was left in the world. So, they filled the minds of the US rulers with so many promises of black gold, and we all know how much the US loves black gold.
 
So it started in 1991 with the leading roll of G.B. Senior, and the sequel came in 2003 staring G.B. Junior.



havalkaka -> RE: kurds, kurds and then kurds (10/28/2007 5:06:23 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Harry

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ORIGINAL: Iraqi100Percent
I would have to say that Iraq's problems have always centered around two groups of people. The kurds and the 3ajam Shia


Yes, those two groups of people could not stand the fact that Iraq was becoming the center of modern civilization in the Middle East; so, they had to do something to sour the milk. Their butts was on fire, their hearts were full of envy, and since none of them could do anything alone; they got their empty heads together, and with whatever little nugget size brain they had, they looked for outside help.
 
Unfortunately for them that the USSR was not available anymore, and, it just so happened that the bushy family was ruling the one and only super-power that was left in the world. So, they filled the minds of the US rulers with so many promises of black gold, and we all know how much the US loves black gold.
 
So it started in 1991 with the leading roll of G.B. Senior, and the sequel came in 2003 staring G.B. Junior.


Cheap words from a cheap non-arab, an armenian-iraqi-american-... who has lost any sense of purpose in life.
What really is clear to me now and quite irritating is that arabs so much hate kurds as people. It is not matter of opposing certain parties or ideologies, but hate the very people themselves. The posts on this site and others are so shamful and embarrassing here in the west but nevertheless are doing justice to their racist writers. At the top is this american Sadiq - an internet juvenile who can't spell even his arrse. What is wrong with yu arabs. what if you didn't have islam. The day-dreaming arabs have given up any notion of palestine but want to liberate their land in northern iraq after they lost the middle and the south. And you call the ex-iraqi regime  a civilisation!! keep lieing to yourself and you belive it. You call it modern ? I know many iraqi christians were pro-saddam because he launched war against fellow muslims and islam, now christian and fellow armenians are confused completely and schizophrenic in thir thinking. I never wanted to verblly be abusive to arabs as people but now they really deserve it.



Iraqi100Percent -> RE: kurds, kurds and then kurds (10/28/2007 11:12:34 AM)

Civilization in Iraq existed before you and your grandfather were even born. It has nothing to do with the ex-regime, as if the current regime headed by a kurd who can barely speak arabic and english has engnited the Iraqi civilization!

Before talking about Arabs, look into your own Kurdish leadership who has done nothing in its life but smuggle people, wepons, money and kiss saddam's hand begging for more money yet there is the role of the kurds in the gassing of the kurds!

Talabani and Barazani's families were crooks before, during and after saddam, so give us a break and spare us your wisdom, kurd gurilla fighter, aka another terrorist in the middle east.

Go clean your hands from the blood stains from killing christians in northern iraq and southern turkey before you come here with your socialist fed and brainwashed rotten head.

sorry to have gone to such level but it seems a barberic person such as yourself, sepratist,  can only understand this language.




SoranJ -> RE: kurds, kurds and then kurds (10/28/2007 1:18:53 PM)

 
death to all the enemies of the kurds and their nation of kurdistan.
Mam jalal talabani and barzani never became agents of their enemies. look at your arabs you are all agents of everyone and then you cry and blame israel and kurdistan for your problems. you treat your people bad and then you make fun of everyone else and you have no civilization alot of the civilization is in kurdistan and the lands occupied by the enemies of kurdistan that belong to the kurds and we will get it back even if we should go and brink the hell to bagdad and ankara. you should wash the blood from your hands of the woman and children you killed in halabja and anfal. you think we forget but we dont yes we will never.



Lion of Babylon -> RE: kurds, kurds and then kurds (10/28/2007 1:29:06 PM)

Dude, lets get something clear here. I can’t speak for all Arabs but the Iraqi variety doesn’t hate the Kurds. What we do hate is the way your government has conducted itself and the obvious glee some Kurds take from the rest of the country’s misery. To remind you it was the whole country that celebrated Saddam’s capture because he hurt everyone and anyone who opposed him. Yet you seem to think you were the only ones who suffered as a result of his leadership. So what happened when the war ended? You all lifted your “Kurdistani” flags and there were no Iraqi flags in sight. Immediately you drew the line in the sand and revealed your true intentions. This is what pisses me off.

I also find your posts confusing. These are some quotes from your earlier posts....

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I agree with you about the so called Kurdish leaders. These are a group of war lords who are no different from Tikritis except that they can polish american shoes better than tikritis.


I'm happy to see you recognize who and what your leaders are. You then go on to say....

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As to Arab identity of iraq. I have to respect the majority as much as I expect them to respect our rights of second majority.


I fully agree.

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Our priority should be people against bad rulers who snatch power and then become tyrants. It didn't end with saddam. there are a lot more around and more to come.


So far so good. We agree again. Then things start to get confusing. Check out these statements made by you...

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I guess you are either teenagers or gays or sons of prostitutes abandoned by their mothers. Your dirty words should be ignored totally but I just warn you that the world will get the message.


and......

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Habibi and Hobi, you (Arabs, Turks and Farsi) are all fed TEES and fed LIBAS


This coming from someone who said...

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I never wanted to verblly be abusive to arabs as people but now they really deserve it.


Hardly the words of a man who advocates tolerance and understand don't you agree. I then came across these gems written by you....

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First Saddam as a "person" proved a very powerful successful extra ordinary example of an Iraqi personality to all the world. Second we all owe him any pride we may claim as Iraqis in the world today. This is a fact and no body can deny it.


and it gets better.....

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I will always remember saddam with full respect and admiration to him as a person but full hate to his regime.  I will always remember the scene of his execution with pride and real tears, he showed absolute courage facing death with honour.


Now answer this....who is the schizophrenic???



havalkaka -> RE: kurds, kurds and then kurds (10/28/2007 2:05:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lion of Babylon

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First Saddam as a "person" proved a very powerful successful extra ordinary example of an Iraqi personality to all the world. Second we all owe him any pride we may claim as Iraqis in the world today. This is a fact and no body can deny it.


and it gets better.....

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I will always remember saddam with full respect and admiration to him as a person but full hate to his regime.  I will always remember the scene of his execution with pride and real tears, he showed absolute courage facing death with honour.


Now answer this....who is the schizophrenic???


Thats your diagnosis, I am not surprised. Because you have never heard somebody respecting his enemy.
I do respect the person of saddam. I will respect him for ever and I am proud of him as a good enemy, good in the perspective of the western hostility to all of us. You, as arabs, should have thanked God for giving you that leader. What else do you want from a leader. If I were an arab I would have become a proud Baathist, seriously. I have spent most of life now in the west who are far more prejudiced against our way of life and our thinking that I saw saddam as my voice in that perspective. But as a kurd I am proud of my identity, my nation kurdistan and my people
while respecting the country that I belong to if I am respected and if my identity and my people are respected. I certainly remember the day Mustafa Barzani left us in the hands of saddam and his regime. I remeber the betrayal of the US, Iran and hypocracy of israel. I am getting abusive, yes, I am going to be more, since the arabs are now excited about the notion that kurds -as people- not as parties or leaders- are to be destroyed once again by the turks - what a wishful thinking.  



Iraqi100Percent -> RE: kurds, kurds and then kurds (10/28/2007 2:07:46 PM)

Lion,

These kurd wannabes are not Iraqis nor from inside of Iraq. There are plenty of honorable Kurds that fought alongside their Iraqi population from south to north and there are Iraqis, arabs and non arabs who fought alongside kurds in the north.

These ants on this thread are from outside iraq, dreamers of their kurdish land that even Iraq's president, a kurd said that it isn't possible.

hypocrates and theives, lying on each other, fooling wannabes and dreamers for political gain, that's all what it's all about.

Tomorrow if Israel or the US hurts Kurd interests, overnight these become enemies of the kurds

the kurdish leadership has no patriotic goal, it has one goal, stay in power and stay financed. This leadership in all of its form and regional power has done so much hard to the surrounding area that not only arabs can't stand it, turks, persians, armenians hate it too. No country can exist in such surrounding, look at the palestinians and Israelis! 50 years and they won't get along. the same thing with the kurds, they are being manipulated and used for outsiders and that's the only thread of hope they have left. They survive as long as the leadership is willing to open its legs for whoever knocks on its door and when no one knocks anymore, dreamers fly to western countries with their cash and leave their people struggling.



Lion of Babylon -> RE: kurds, kurds and then kurds (10/28/2007 11:35:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: havalkaka

Thats your diagnosis, I am not surprised. Because you have never heard somebody respecting his enemy.


So now you claim to respect an enemy who initiated a campaign to destroy your people. The same enemy who used chemical weapons against you, destroyed some 2,000 villages, and slaughtered thousands of rural Kurds. Dude, this was your main selling point for gaining sympathy from the west.

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I do respect the person of saddam. I will respect him for ever and I am proud of him as a good enemy, good in the perspective of the western hostility to all of us.


You say all of us. Do you mean as Iraqis or are your comments purely reserved for Kurds? You’re not making any sense (again). If it wasn’t for the West you wouldn’t have your autonomy because you certainly didn’t earn it. Unless, that is, you think earning it means betraying the rest of us (Iraqis) by rolling out the red carpet every time an enemy decides to invade our country just as long as your own interests are protected. Because this is what you’re so called leaders have been doing since 91 through to the present. Given that you claim to hate the west then you just might appreciate that many Iraqis view Barazani/Talabani as traitors who aided and abetted the US invasion and subsequent occupation of our country.

Look, lets dispense with the petty insults and accusations. Let me tell you something. Had your leaders shown some respect towards other non Kurd Iraqis who live in the north and demonstrated that they believed in a united Iraq then I would have advocated sending Iraqi troops to “Kurdistan” in order to make a statement that we are ready to stand by our Kurdish brothers against a foreign power. So if the Kurds are Iraqis and Kurdistan is northern Iraq, then that means we should defend it as much as an invasion on Baghdad. But if you people want to continue use the logic that the Kurds are independent from the rest of us then its time for you to face your own music. As I said you can't have it both ways.



Lion of Babylon -> RE: kurds, kurds and then kurds (10/28/2007 11:40:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Iraqi100Percent

the kurdish leadership has no patriotic goal, it has one goal, stay in power and stay financed. This leadership in all of its form and regional power has done so much hard to the surrounding area that not only arabs can't stand it, turks, persians, armenians hate it too. No country can exist in such surrounding, look at the palestinians and Israelis! 50 years and they won't get along. the same thing with the kurds, they are being manipulated and used for outsiders and that's the only thread of hope they have left. They survive as long as the leadership is willing to open its legs for whoever knocks on its door and when no one knocks anymore, dreamers fly to western countries with their cash and leave their people struggling.


Agreed.



Harry -> RE: kurds, kurds and then kurds (10/29/2007 10:00:12 AM)

I moved this topic to the Iraqi Kurdish issue forum where it belongs.
In the future, please any Kurdish issue should be posted in its proper forum.

Thanks to all.



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