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RE: Racism of Kurd and Humanitranism of Arab - 2/5/2008 2:45:46 AM
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akrawi1
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السيد هاري
نعم انا اؤيدك على كل ماقلت عن الطاغية الحقير ولكن يجب ان تعرف ان الشعب العراقي اليوم وصلت الامية الابجديه فيه 20 بالمئة بعدما كان في زمن احمد حسن البكر المرحوم تقترب من 5 بالمئةاضف الا ان الامية باللغة الانجليزية ولو بعض الاميين بها يعرفون حروفها وصلت الى 80 بالمئة من الشعب العراقي ولهذا فان المستفادون من الحوار بهذه اللغة لا يحاكي الا 20 بالمئة من الشعب وترى كم واحد يستعمل هذا الموقع منهم؟؟؟
اما عن تعليقي وتعليق الاخوان على الاخبار فهو بشقيين الاول هو اعطائنا الخبر الدي يعني اهميته وتاييدي لمناقشته وثانيا عندما يحتاج مني او من اصدقائي تعليق فانك تجده اضف الى ذلك ان مجرد قرائته تبين ان مظمونه يحتاج الى تعبئة عراقية لاتخاذ اجراء ونقاش عليه خذ مثلا اذا نقلت خير الفساد في كردستان فان جميع اخواني الاكراد يعرفون السرقة التي يقوم بها حكام هذا الاقليم من الشعب الكردي وربما يزيدون امثلة اخرى الخ
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RE: Racism of Kurd and Humanitranism of Arab - 2/5/2008 3:12:40 AM
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وانا اقول دع العراقيين يحكمون على حبهم للانجليزية وهنا اقصد عراقيين الداخل وليس اللذين بالخارج مثلك
فالخبر الهادف الصحيح يدفع الانسان العراقي الى ابداء الراْي والتحليل العلمي والمقاربة مع الاخرين وخاصة اذا كان بلغة اهل البلد وليس لغة المستعمر التي لا يفهمها الا جزء من شعبنا فمناقشاتنا ليست محددة بمن يعرف كلمتين انكليزية بل كل الشعب العراقي الذي اكثره عرب الديمقراطية الحقيقية لا تبحث عن النخب والشاذين عن الطريق الوطنية فاكتب باللغة الوطنية لتتحاور مع اهل بلدك وشعبك وسوف ينتقص منك ان خاطبت العراقيين بالانكليزية وقدم لهم الخبر اولا ليفهموه ويناقشوه معك
هذين المقطعيين من راْيي وراْي ما يسمى باسد بابل فهلا قلتم الحقيقة لمن لا يعرف بلده ؟؟؟
السيد العقراوي.
لو كانت الاخبار اللتي تنشرها انت (باسمائك المختلفه) تدفع الانسان العراقي الى ابداء رأيه. قل لي اذن، لماذا المقالات اللتي تنشرها انت، تُقابل بالسكوت التام من قبل الجميع. حتى انه بأمكاني ان أقول ان ما تنشره، تموت قبل ان تولد.
هذا الجزء من العراقيين اللذين لا يجيدون الانگليزيه، هم ما خلفهُ الطاغيه صدام. و لو كنت تريد ان تتابع خطوات البعثيين السفله، فهذا طريقك انت وحدك. الله معك.
نحن خرجنا من العراق لاننا لم نقبل ان نرى الوطن يتدهور الى مجاري البعثيين الكريهه، وليس لعدم حبنا للعراق. كلٌ له طريقته للدفاع عن الوطن. نحن اخترتنا ان نُدافع من الغربه.
كونك انت لا تجيد الانگليزيه، لا يعني ان محاوراتنا تجب ان تنحصر على الكتابه بالعربيه. الديمقراطيه اللتي تؤمن بها ليست حقيقيه. الكل هنا لهم الحق ان يعبروا عن آرائهم بأي لغه يجدونها ملائمه لهم.النقطه الوحيده اللتي لم تتكلم عنها هي جوهره الخلاف بيننا. وهي انك لم تكتب اي شيئ جدير بألنقاش. كل ما تكتبه هو مقالات مأخوذه من ما تنشره وكالات الانباء من جرائد و مجلّات بدون إبداء رايك في هذه الاخبار. كيف تتخيل ان يناقش أعضاء الموقع ما تكتبه، لما انت بنفسك ليس لك رأي بها؟
As Harry said, you only have to visit the Arabic forum to see just how ineffective cut and paste articles are in discussion forums. Your basic argument is desperately flawed and the proof is clear for all to see. Nobody will be interested in your view of the truth unless you allow them insight into why you decided to post the article in the first place. You vastly overestimate your own importance when you maintain to be posting your articles as a public service to the Iraqi people. Don’t be so absurd, this is a discussion forum where people come to debate, share concerns and have fun not a platform for aspiring news editors with delusions of grandeur. Your analysis of what is taking place in Iraq doesn’t necessarily reflect everyone’s reality but you are of course entitled to your opinion. The problem is that you rarely offer your own viewpoint for scrutiny and this in effect makes you a redundant member of this forum. There is nothing more to add as Harry just about covered everything else.
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RE: Racism of Kurd and Humanitranism of Arab - 2/5/2008 8:11:19 AM
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الى ابن بابل
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لو كانت الاخبار اللتي تنشرها انت (باسمائك المختلفه) تدفع الانسان العراقي الى ابداء رأيه. قل لي اذن، لماذا المقالات اللتي تنشرها انت، تُقابل بالسكوت التام من قبل الجميع. حتى انه بأمكاني ان أقول ان ما تنشره، تموت قبل ان تولد.
هذا الجزء من العراقيين اللذين لا يجيدون الانگليزيه، هم ما خلفهُ الطاغيه صدام. و لو كنت تريد ان تتابع خطوات البعثيين السفله، فهذا طريقك انت وحدك. الله معك.
نحن خرجنا من العراق لاننا لم نقبل ان نرى الوطن يتدهور الى مجاري البعثيين الكريهه، وليس لعدم حبنا للعراق. كلٌ له طريقته للدفاع عن الوطن. نحن اخترتنا ان نُدافع من الغربه
ارد عليك اولا لي اسم واحد هو عقراوي ابو محمد ولا اعرف ما تقصد بالاسماء المختلقة وثانيا انك تقول ان اصحاب صدام هم الذين لا يحبون الانجليزية وبعبارة اخرى ان اولاد الجنرال مود واولاد الامريكان الحريميين اصله من حرامي يحبون الانجليزية هذا ما تريد ان تقوله ان كل عراقي يفضل الانجليزية على الكردية او العربية او اللغات الوطنيه هو من اولاد الاجانب ولا يمكن ان يعول على وطنيته ولا خير فيه ولا في دينه لان القران نزل عربيا اذا افضل اللغات هي العربية وغصبا عن كل من تشدق بلباس غيره ولهذا نحن الاكراد نتشرف بلغة القران.
ثالثا وهنا اؤيدك ان دكتاتورية الحزب الواحد التي سلكها البعثيين حقيرة بالمقياس العالمي ويجب الاعتذار عن ذلك من قبلهم وهذا لا يعطينا الحق ان نبدل اصلنا ولغتنا وديننا الحنيف لنتشبه بالكفار ونحشر يوم القيامة معهم كما قال رسول الله من تشبه بقوم حشر يوم القيامة معهم والسلام على من اتبع الهدى
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RE: Racism of Kurd and Humanitranism of Arab - 2/5/2008 12:27:17 PM
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السيد هاري
نعم انا اؤيدك على كل ماقلت عن الطاغية الحقير ولكن يجب ان تعرف ان الشعب العراقي اليوم وصلت الامية الابجديه فيه 20 بالمئة بعدما كان في زمن احمد حسن البكر المرحوم تقترب من 5 بالمئةاضف الا ان الامية باللغة الانجليزية ولو بعض الاميين بها يعرفون حروفها وصلت الى 80 بالمئة من الشعب العراقي ولهذا فان المستفادون من الحوار بهذه اللغة لا يحاكي الا 20 بالمئة من الشعب وترى كم واحد يستعمل هذا الموقع منهم؟؟؟
اما عن تعليقي وتعليق الاخوان على الاخبار فهو بشقيين الاول هو اعطائنا الخبر الدي يعني اهميته وتاييدي لمناقشته وثانيا عندما يحتاج مني او من اصدقائي تعليق فانك تجده اضف الى ذلك ان مجرد قرائته تبين ان مظمونه يحتاج الى تعبئة عراقية لاتخاذ اجراء ونقاش عليه خذ مثلا اذا نقلت خير الفساد في كردستان فان جميع اخواني الاكراد يعرفون السرقة التي يقوم بها حكام هذا الاقليم من الشعب الكردي وربما يزيدون امثلة اخرى الخ
ارد عليك اولا لي اسم واحد هو عقراوي ابو محمد ولا اعرف ما تقصد بالاسماء المختلقة وثانيا انك تقول ان اصحاب صدام هم الذين لا يحبون الانجليزية وبعبارة اخرى ان اولاد الجنرال مود واولاد الامريكان الحريميين اصله من حرامي يحبون الانجليزية هذا ما تريد ان تقوله ان كل عراقي يفضل الانجليزية على الكردية او العربية او اللغات الوطنيه هو من اولاد الاجانب ولا يمكن ان يعول على وطنيته ولا خير فيه ولا في دينه لان القران نزل عربيا اذا افضل اللغات هي العربية وغصبا عن كل من تشدق بلباس غيره ولهذا نحن الاكراد نتشرف بلغة القران.
ثالثا وهنا اؤيدك ان دكتاتورية الحزب الواحد التي سلكها البعثيين حقيرة بالمقياس العالمي ويجب الاعتذار عن ذلك من قبلهم وهذا لا يعطينا الحق ان نبدل اصلنا ولغتنا وديننا الحنيف لنتشبه بالكفار ونحشر يوم القيامة معهم كما قال رسول الله من تشبه بقوم حشر يوم القيامة معهم والسلام على من اتبع الهدى
Again, it appears that you are not getting the main idea of us writing in English. As I said earlier, you have your own way to fight, we have ours. We chose to fight for Iraq from across the border, using the language that most foreigners will understand. Iraqis, and the majority of the Arab countries know all the facts about the situation in Iraq; therefore there is no need to write anything in Arabic. As a matter of fact, most of the Arab countries have their hands stained with the blood of our innocent Iraqi people, starting from your beloved Saudi Arabia, passing though Syria, Egypt, and all the way to Algeria, and Morocco. Each and every one of those Arab countries is fighting to get what belongs to Iraqis.
So you see, your dear Arabs who speak the language of the holy Qur’an are your true enemies. They fought against Iraq in 1991, and they are fighting against it now. What is the use of a language of a group of vicious savages, who kill their own innocent people, and they call it “In the name of Allah”, knowing that most of your turban headed Imams are leading the game behind their shameful curtains.
I guess that you are one of those 80% of Iraqis who are considered illiterate when it comes to the English language, since you insist in writing in Arabic. This sight is not for Iraqis alone; it is an excellent method to inform and enlighten the westerners who until a handful of years ago knew nothing about Iraq, most of them have never heard of Iraq in their lives.
If you think that an Arab has to be tied to the Arabic language, and not use any other, then allow me to point out to you that you are dead wrong. Just because the holy Qur’an was written in Arabic, that is in no way a limitation of what an intelligent person should learn and use, including but not limited to other languages.
Don’t give me the crap about the Arabic being the best of languages. I admit that Arabic is a very rich, and a beautiful language, however, if it was the best, then why didn’t all Muslim nations adopt it as their official language? Go ahead; guess. The Qur’an was brought to earth for all humans, right? It was supposed to unite all believers. What happened? Why those who believe in the Qur’an are murdering each other in the name of the Qur’an? There is one Qur’an right? It is written in Arabic right? Yet one Arab, Muslim is killing another Arab Muslim and calling it Jihad in the name of Allah. I doubt that a Holy Book spreads war instead of peace, just like any other holy book, the Qur’an should in no way be a reason for killing another sole created by the same one true God.
You describe us as being sinners, just because we write in English. Those who use the English language do not kill in the name of religion, perhaps nationality, or political border or gain, but never in the name of religion. Study your situation in depth, and never blaming others for being more open minded than yourself. None of us abandoned our language; we all hold it close and dear to our hearts.
Somehow you and I are in a similar situation; both of us are none Arabs, yet we both love Arabic and practice it continuously.
I am an Armenian, my wife is born in Armenia, and my kids are born here in the U.S. yet I never forgot the Arabic language, I use it, read it, and write it whenever it deems necessary. However that dose not mean that I have to close my eyes and mind to expanding my personal horizon, and learn the good from every civilization that I encounter. Beside the Armenian, Arabic, and English, I also speak Greek, which is the language of one of the oldest civilizations on earth.
If you still prefer to live inside your cocoon, then there is nothing else I can say or do. You are on your own.
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RE: Racism of Kurd and Humanitranism of Arab - 2/5/2008 5:19:48 PM
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انت شخصيا كونك من الاخوان الاعزاء الارمن فلا ارى مانعا بان ارحب بتكلمك اللغة الانكليزية ولي اصدقاء ارمن في الموصل يحبون التكلم بالانكليزية ولديهم ثقافة كبيرة فيها ولكن اذا رجعت لاهل الحلة فهم شبه اعراب ولديهم تقاليدهم الاسلامية القديمة فاحسن لهم ان يخاطبوا مواطنيهم بلغتهم لان الحلة فيها مكتبات لامهات الكتب العربية واذكر انا الصحاف او عمه كان يمتلك مكتبة عربية هناك والحلاوي(من اهل الحلة) اذا تكلم صديقه الانكليزية يضحك منه ويقول له هل امك او اباك انكريزي ويستهزء منه فالعراقيين بحاجة الى النقاش السياسي الهادف الذي يفتح عيوننا جميعا الى ما ال اليه العالم والعولمة والاقتصاد والكتل الاقتصادية الكبرى في العالم وكيف فرضت امريكا على العالم الثالث الذي نحن منه العولمة بالرغم ان الدول الغربية هي الرابحة لانها ستحولنا الى سوق استهلاكي وتشتري ارضنا ونحن لا نمتلك من المال لكي نشتري بيوت باوربا او امريكا وليس لدينا صناعة تقبلها العولمة اذن هي طريقة لصرف نفطنا بالاستهلاك للمواد الغربية هذه الاشياء نحن بحاجة الى فضحها ومكالمة شعبنا بلغته التي يفهمها ولا نكون نخبويين نخاطب الغرب ونحن غاطسين بالوحل ولا يعرف اللغة الانكليزية الا عشرون بالمئة منهم خمسة بالمئة يحسنون الكنابة والقراءة لها ...................................................
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RE: Racism of Kurd and Humanitranism of Arab - 2/6/2008 10:29:54 AM
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In response to your speculations about me liking to speak English. It is not that I like to speak English, I write it because it is most widely understood over the Internet.
Some primitive people living in near poverty conditions in Iraqi towns such as (حلّه) usually make fun of things they do not understand for a reason, that is to hide their archaic mentality and/or to cover up their embarrassment when they come face to face with someone possessing a higher level of education. I had more than one friend in that region, most of them educated enough to understand and speak English, and they left the area living in Baghdad among people who accepted them for who they are, which brings me to another point. Your parents are Kurds, am I right? Did they make fun of you when you started speaking Arabic? Did they ask you if “your mother or father were Arabs”?
America is trying to globalize the world, there is no secret about it (why do you think they dismantled the Soviet Union?) and they are doing that because it is more open minded than all of the third world countries combined. On top of that, America is smart enough to manipulate your life and your living conditions to get what it wants. Shouldn’t the Arabs be smarter than America? Arabs are one of the most ancient civilizations in the world. Shouldn’t they be more advanced than the west? Arab countries are rich with oil. Shouldn’t they have been the ones to invent a way to have a better living by using these natural treasures?
Yes America will turn Iraq into a consumer market, just like it did to Saudi Arabia, and Kuwait. Look at the way they are living, they enjoy all the comforts that industrialization can offer, compare the way the rest of the Arab world lives to that of Saudi Arabia, and Kuwait, it can only be described as “pathetic”.
We need not to expose what America is doing to the third world countries; everyone knows that already. What we need to do is to open the eyes of the western public, and make them see and feel what price the people in those (third world) countries are paying in order for the west to live comfortably.
Getting back to the articles you keep posting, why do you think these posts are getting the cold shoulder from all of the members? I will tell you why? Its only because all the members who can and do read Arabic, have read them one way or another, either in newspapers, on the Internet, or they have heard them on radio broadcasts, and even seen the news on one of the Iraqi or Arabic channels over the satellites. What we have to do is convey these incidents, and news to the western public who do not speak Arabic, and will not know what is truly going on in the eastern region of the earth unless we step in and provide them with it.
If you still want to copy and past articles! Then go ahead, I guarantee you, not even the wind will stop to take a look at them.
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RE: Racism of Kurd and Humanitranism of Arab - 2/6/2008 3:07:30 PM
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Harry
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harry and lion of babylon
get a grip both of you, he is not saying wrong to you he respects both of you do not understand him in other way, he is speaking not because he is kurdish no not that, he is speaking because he is a mesopotamian (iraq) and telling the truth.
god bless you both.
How can you  (a Dumb person) understand what others are talking about?
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RE: Racism of Kurd and Humanitranism of Arab - 2/6/2008 3:31:52 PM
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اولا بالنسبة للغة العربية في البيت لا تصدق اذا قلت لك ان ابي يشكرني يوميا لاني علمته الحروف العربية وبدا يقرا القران ولا تنسى ان اللغة الكردية مهما نطبل او نزمر فهي قريبة من اللهجات المحلية وهناك فرق بين البهدناني والسوراني ولهجة اكراد منطقة سنجار وهذه اللهجات لا ترقى الى الغة العربية ومع ذلك لولا نزول القران بها لما قرائناها
ثانيا بالنسبة لامريكا لا تحب العراق ولا هي خائفة على شعبه ولا تريد لنا الديمقراطية ولكنها جاءت لحماية اسرائيل والسيطرة على النفط كما في دول الخليج الغرب الاوربي له نفس الافكار ولا تعتقد يوما ان العراقيين الذين قراءوا تراثهم العظيم ومباديء دينهم الحنيف وتتلمذوا على عقلية العروبة والاستعمار الغربي سيقبلون كما تقبل دول الخليج بوحود امريكا وتدخلها بالشاْن العراقي ولهذا انهم ينتظرون نهاية 2008 او 2009 على الاكثر لنتحول جميعا الى قنابل كعراقيين لدفن الامريكان في التراب وسيتحول العراق كله الى قنبله تهز امريكا وحلفائها الاوربيين لهذا يجب ان تعلم ان الشعب العراقي بعربه واكراده وتركمانه لا يقبل الضيم وسيهز العالم الف مرة كما هزته فيتنام ان ما يقارب من 20 مليون حاضرين لتفجير انفسهم بوجه الامريكان وهم من جميع القوميات ويجب ان يفيق العراقيين في الخارج ولا تدفعهم عيشة الرغد والتقدم الذي تتكلم عنه لذلك يجب ان تتهيئوا من اليوم للتشبع بروح الوطنية فنحن سناْكل البلوط والخبز ونطحن الربيع اليابس ونخبزه للحصول على كرامة الشعب العراقي والسلام
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RE: Racism of Kurd and Humanitranism of Arab - 2/6/2008 6:09:01 PM
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you know very well that syria and turkey and iran do not like iraqvery much and also the kurds do not like iraq very much, that is why these countries like syria and turkey and iran and those kurds stole iraqi lands before 80 years ago.
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RE: Racism of Kurd and Humanitranism of Arab - 2/7/2008 9:58:58 AM
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akrawi1
you know very well that syria and turkey and iran do not like iraqvery much and also the kurds do not like iraq very much, that is why these countries like syria and turkey and iran and those kurds stole iraqi lands before 80 years ago.
I thought I asked you to butt out , and keep your behind out of this!
Do I have to be nasty to you again?
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RE: Racism of Kurd and Humanitranism of Arab - 2/7/2008 4:37:55 PM
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first of all you are the nasty one and second i am chatting with akrawi1 not with you.
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RE: Racism of Kurd and Humanitranism of Arab - 2/8/2008 9:57:34 AM
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first of all you are the nasty one and second i am chatting with akrawi1 not with you.
You are not intelligent enough to have any opinions in this matter, so stay out of it. We are discussing something that does not interest any Mesopotamians, So stay out of this. This is something between أبو محمد and I only. Do you understand what ONLY means? Get educated first then you can express an opinion. Again I warn you, if you post anything that involves our discussion, I will delete your posts.
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RE: Racism of Kurd and Humanitranism of Arab - 2/11/2008 4:43:09 AM
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In response to your speculations about me liking to speak English. It is not that I like to speak English, I write it because it is most widely understood over the Internet.
Some primitive people living in near poverty conditions in Iraqi towns such as (حلّه) usually make fun of things they do not understand for a reason, that is to hide their archaic mentality and/or to cover up their embarrassment when they come face to face with someone possessing a higher level of education. I had more than one friend in that region, most of them educated enough to understand and speak English, and they left the area living in Baghdad among people who accepted them for who they are, which brings me to another point. Your parents are Kurds, am I right? Did they make fun of you when you started speaking Arabic? Did they ask you if “your mother or father were Arabs”?
America is trying to globalize the world, there is no secret about it (why do you think they dismantled the Soviet Union?) and they are doing that because it is more open minded than all of the third world countries combined. On top of that, America is smart enough to manipulate your life and your living conditions to get what it wants. Shouldn’t the Arabs be smarter than America? Arabs are one of the most ancient civilizations in the world. Shouldn’t they be more advanced than the west? Arab countries are rich with oil. Shouldn’t they have been the ones to invent a way to have a better living by using these natural treasures?
Yes America will turn Iraq into a consumer market, just like it did to Saudi Arabia, and Kuwait. Look at the way they are living, they enjoy all the comforts that industrialization can offer, compare the way the rest of the Arab world lives to that of Saudi Arabia, and Kuwait, it can only be described as “pathetic”.
We need not to expose what America is doing to the third world countries; everyone knows that already. What we need to do is to open the eyes of the western public, and make them see and feel what price the people in those (third world) countries are paying in order for the west to live comfortably.
Getting back to the articles you keep posting, why do you think these posts are getting the cold shoulder from all of the members? I will tell you why? Its only because all the members who can and do read Arabic, have read them one way or another, either in newspapers, on the Internet, or they have heard them on radio broadcasts, and even seen the news on one of the Iraqi or Arabic channels over the satellites. What we have to do is convey these incidents, and news to the western public who do not speak Arabic, and will not know what is truly going on in the eastern region of the earth unless we step in and provide them with it.
If you still want to copy and past articles! Then go ahead, I guarantee you, not even the wind will stop to take a look at them.
Well said Harry although I fear your words will fall on deaf ears!
I do wish people should stop using religion to justify their point of view, after all this is a free speech forum not a mosque/church. It’s always very difficult to have a rational argument with such individuals because they are so self righteous and morally superior. Its also not very productive to hold discussions with people who argue their points without actually having the evidence to back it up. He/they object to the use of English on this forum and argue that only Arabic should be used because its God’s language which is not only irrational but also impractical. How else does this guy think Islam became the world’s fastest growing religion?
He likes to presume that someone is superior based on his/her religious preference which is not only narrow minded but also exposes the writer as a bigot and a xenophobe. On the one hand he preaches unity, democracy and tolerance but in the more heated debates he demonstrates all the traits of a religious zealot. To have a closed mind is a terrible thing, after all our minds were created to figure things out, not to read the same page recurrently. It’s precisely this kind of mentality that will always hold us back.
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RE: Racism of Kurd and Humanitranism of Arab - 2/11/2008 10:33:27 AM
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Well said Harry although I fear your words will fall on deaf ears!
I do wish people should stop using religion to justify their point of view, after all this is a free speech forum not a mosque/church. It’s always very difficult to have a rational argument with such individuals because they are so self righteous and morally superior. Its also not very productive to hold discussions with people who argue their points without actually having the evidence to back it up. He/they object to the use of English on this forum and argue that only Arabic should be used because its God’s language which is not only irrational but also impractical. How else does this guy think Islam became the world’s fastest growing religion?
He likes to presume that someone is superior based on his/her religious preference which is not only narrow minded but also exposes the writer as a bigot and a xenophobe. On the one hand he preaches unity, democracy and tolerance but in the more heated debates he demonstrates all the traits of a religious zealot. To have a closed mind is a terrible thing, after all our minds were created to figure things out, not to read the same page recurrently. It’s precisely this kind of mentality that will always hold us back.
Very well said yourself buddy. We always strive to keep things neutral for all, and keep religion out of politics. Yet there are those who use their single mindedness to squeeze in religion, and try to superiorize it over politics. They are still convinced that religion should rule the country, as if religious leaders know how to not discriminate against those who do not belong to their sectors.
I am a religious person myself; I do believe in creation, yet I respect those who believe in evolution. I believe in judgment day, yet I do not ridicule those who believe that death is the end of the human life. Everyone is free to think what he/she likes to believe in, just as long as no one mocks the ideas of the other.
I hope one day those fanatics will come to their censes, and stop forcing religious rule over people.
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RE: Racism of Kurd and Humanitranism of Arab - 2/12/2008 12:28:45 PM
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لماذا تم تجاوز الموضوع الجدي والحقيقي الى غيره من المواضيع العابرة؟؟؟
الجواب ان بعض الناس يحاول تغطية الشمس بالغربال ولكن الحقيقة تدحض الاحلام الوردية وهنا اعيد الموضوع الموجه للسيد هاري
السيد هاري
ربما نحن نلتقي بعدد من النقاط ولكن اريد اجيبك حسب التسلسل
اولا بالنسبة للغة العربية في البيت لا تصدق اذا قلت لك ان ابي يشكرني يوميا لاني علمته الحروف العربية وبدا يقرا القران ولا تنسى ان اللغة الكردية مهما نطبل او نزمر فهي قريبة من اللهجات المحلية وهناك فرق بين البهدناني والسوراني ولهجة اكراد منطقة سنجار وخانقين وهذه اللهجات لا ترقى الى الغة العربية ومع ذلك لولا نزول القران بها لما قرائناها
ثانيا بالنسبة لامريكا لا تحب العراق ولا هي خائفة على شعبه ولا تريد لنا الديمقراطية ولكنها جاءت لحماية اسرائيل والسيطرة على النفط كما في دول الخليج والغرب الاوربي له نفس الافكار ولا تعتقد يوما ان العراقيين الذين قراءوا تراثهم العظيم ومباديء دينهم الحنيف وتتلمذوا على عقلية العروبة والاستعمار الغربي سيقبلون كما تقبل دول الخليج بوحود امريكا وتدخلها بالشاْن العراقي ولهذا انهم ينتظرون نهاية 2008 او 2009 على الاكثر لطرد الارهاب الذي تسببت في مجيئه امريكا ومساعدة الحكومة المؤقته لاعادة الكيان العراقي والانتهاء من الزمر الصدامية لنتحول جميعا الى قنابل كعراقيين لدفن الامريكان في التراب وسيتحول العراق كله الى قنبله تهز امريكا وحلفائها الاوربيين لهذا يجب ان تعلم ان الشعب العراقي بعربه واكراده وتركمانه لا يقبل الضيم وسيهز العالم الف مرة كما هزته فيتنام ان ما يقارب من 20 مليون حاضرين ولهم العزيمة لتفجير انفسهم بوجه الامريكان اذا لم يخرجوا وهم من جميع القوميات ويجب ان يفيق العراقيين في الخارج ولا تدفعهم عيشة الرغد والتقدم الذي تتكلم عنه وتبجحهم بالحرفين باللعة الانكليزية لذلك يجب ان تتهيئوا من اليوم للتشبع بروح الوطنية واسترجاع الكرامة المفقودة التي كان سبب فقدانها هي الهجمة الامريكية الاسرائيلية والايرانية فنحن سناْكل البلوط والخبز ونطحن الربيع اليابس ونخبزه للحصول على كرامة الشعب العراقي والسلام
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RE: Racism of Kurd and Humanitranism of Arab - 2/14/2008 1:51:02 PM
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The truth that you are living in is nothing but an imaginary picture that your ancestors painted for you. People these days are much smarter and open-minded than to believe all that garbage we used to here. We all know exactly what the US’s intentions are, no one can hide behind anything nowadays.
Yes, let’s take things in order.
So you actually don’t like the Arabic language, you are FORCED to learn it because of it being the language of the Holy Qur’an. (Notice my emphasis on the word forced) I will denote about it later.
These days, unfortunately, there is no nation that likes another nation for one reason or another. However, that hatred is only centered and concentrated in the governments themselves. Most people would like to live in peace with other nationalities, despite the lies that the governments are spreading about each other. Please do not bring Israel into the subject. Noting that the Kurd leaders themselves are involved in dealings with Israel, neither you nor any other Kurd has the right to blame America for its relation with Israel.
Again you are trying to drag religion into the discussion, this is something I refuse to get into, for this is a politics forum, you can discuss religion in it’s own forum. You can ask the admin to create one, if you like.
You mentioned Arabic mentality, I guess since you read the Qur’an, and you are influenced with its language, I guess you, as a Kurd, do have some of this mentality. Arabs everywhere are doing tow things, one of them is killing each other, and everyone else they get their hands on, the other thing is painting a picture that is proving to the world that Arabs are nothing but a bunch of violent, murderous people, filled with savagery, and blood thirst. The sad part of it is that they are doing all that in the name of religion.
The reason why I included you in the Arabic mentality is only because of what you mistakenly assumed that ALL Iraqis will fight the American forces, once the terrorism is over in Iraq. Well, let me point out to you something very obvious to everyone else. The terror in Iraq will never end unless someone like Saddam rules the country again. Unfortunately, it seams that the Arabs that you describe can live in peace with each other, only when they all are under the suppression of a tyrant. Unfortunately.
Another point I would like to make about the Americans. Let us not forget that your leaders (Kurdish Leaders) are the ones who had their noses browned when they asked the Americans to intervene and help them get rid of Saddam. Now that Saddam is gone, you have the guts to practice the one thing that you are famous with, being traitors to the people who are trying to live with you as one family, and just like a bulldog, you are biting the hand that fed you.
For your information, Iraqis who are living abroad are more aware of the situation in Iraq than you claim to be. We did not want to be a part of the savagery and sectarianism that has plagued the country, again, all in the name of religion. You are talking like Bin-Ladin himself, which makes me suspicious that you might be a part of AL-Qaeda, which is FORCING its own beliefs upon the world, and once again painting an ugly picture of Arabs in particular, and Muslims in general.
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RE: Racism of Kurd and Humanitranism of Arab - 2/14/2008 4:25:54 PM
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انا اسف ان اقول لك ان اغلب تحليلك خاطيء وبداية من اللغة العربية الشريفة التي عشقناها كما عشقنا القران وحبي لها بعد ان نزل القران بها اما ما يخص القيادة الكردية فهي كركاتيرية ولا تمثل الشعب الكردي المسلم الكادح المحب للعيش بسلام مع اخوانه المسلمين العرب.
وعن كلاب القاعدة ليس هناك عراقي من العشرين مليون التي ذكرتهم انا بربد ان يرى هؤلاء الارهابين في بلدنا لانهم ليسوا بمسلمين وهم قتلة الشعب العراقي وانا اعتز بعراقيتي وباهلي العرب قبل الاكراد وتصور ان لدي الاخ العاني من الغرب والاخ سيف من الجنوب اعز علي من كل القياديين الاكراد الحاليين او الاكراد الانتهازيين الاخرين ولهذا لا تهمني علاقة القيادة الكردية بالامريكان واعتبرها مصدر نقص وضعف للاكراد وليس مصدر اعتزاز وكذلك بالنسبة لعلاقتهم باسرائيل فهي مركز ذل للعراقيين والاكراد اولا واْسف لانك اجبتني باللغة الانكليزية لغة الاعداء فلن يعجبني تتبع بعض التفاصيل ولو كان الجواب معي كعراقي بالعربية لكان اشرف واحسن واستطيع الرد عليك
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RE: Racism of Kurd and Humanitranism of Arab - 2/15/2008 3:10:17 AM
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لو كانت الاخبار اللتي تنشرها انت (باسمائك المختلفه) تدفع الانسان العراقي الى ابداء رأيه. قل لي اذن، لماذا المقالات اللتي تنشرها انت، تُقابل بالسكوت التام من قبل الجميع.
Harry. This forum would be greatly improved if users (one in particular) were not able to post under multiple aliases. I've seen entire threads on Iraq4u where it's obvious that a particular person is masquerading as several personalities. This type of behaviour seems like a subtle form of spamming, by which I mean people (one in particular) create multiple personalities and have conversations with themselves in order to establish some form of self deluded credibility. This person also uses his aliases to drive home an argument and make it seem as if he represents some form of general consensus. In this case the person in question has insured that all his split personalities come from different parts of Iraq in order to establish credibility and pronounce himself as the purveyor of truth. Using this method of multi Alias also allows the offender to hijack threads and steer them off topic. Unfortunately there are plenty of ignorant or agenda-ridden people posting online these days and it would be nice if there was a feature that allowed Administrators and moderators to detect the posts of certain users whose primary motive for posting is to use multi aliases to promote their agendas or opinions.
Is there any way to expose these types of delinquents so that we don't have to wade through their pollution on a thread?
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RE: Racism of Kurd and Humanitranism of Arab - 2/15/2008 10:03:11 AM
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Unfortunately I have no such power; I am only a moderator. The Administrator is the only one who might be able to do something about that, and it might not be possible for the software to recognize if one user is using more than one identity.
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RE: Racism of Kurd and Humanitranism of Arab - 2/15/2008 4:14:03 PM
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السيذ ابن بابل
كم شخص يكتب بهذا الموقع غيرك او ان لديك عمى الالوان؟
وهؤلاء لم يردو علي انا ...................هههههههههههههههههههه
السيد هاري
انا اسف ان اقول لك ان اغلب تحليلك خاطيء وبداية من اللغة العربية الشريفة التي عشقناها كما عشقنا القران وحبي لها بعد ان نزل القران بها اما ما يخص القيادة الكردية فهي كركاتيرية ولا تمثل الشعب الكردي المسلم الكادح المحب للعيش بسلام مع اخوانه المسلمين العرب.
وعن كلاب القاعدة ليس هناك عراقي من العشرين مليون التي ذكرتهم انا بربد ان يرى هؤلاء الارهابين في بلدنا لانهم ليسوا بمسلمين وهم قتلة الشعب العراقي وانا اعتز بعراقيتي وباهلي العرب قبل الاكراد وتصور ان لدي الاخ العاني من الغرب والاخ سيف من الجنوب اعز علي من كل القياديين الاكراد الحاليين او الاكراد الانتهازيين الاخرين ولهذا لا تهمني علاقة القيادة الكردية بالامريكان واعتبرها مصدر نقص وضعف للاكراد وليس مصدر اعتزاز وكذلك بالنسبة لعلاقتهم باسرائيل فهي مركز ذل للعراقيين والاكراد اولا واْسف لانك اجبتني با | | | |
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