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Turkey's Incursion in Northern Iraq - Your Views - 10/24/2007 12:13:36 PM   
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The following link is the latest on the Iraqi-Turkish crisis (or I should say Kurdish-Turkish crisis on Iraqi soil):
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/14FA7823-911C-4456-B8DB-6CD27C4DE07F.htm

Just to summarise, the latest is that Maliki nd the Iraqi government (if such a thing exists) has demanded that all PKK offices and camps in Iraq is to be shut down. The Turkish army resumed shelling villiages on the Iraqi side of the border and Turkish F-16 planes carried out a number of sorties bombing targets inside Iraqi territory.

What are your views on the situation?
Who do you think is to blame?
What actions should the Iraqi government take?

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RE: Turkey's Incursion in Northern Iraq - Your Views - 10/25/2007 12:27:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tigris81

Just to summarise, the latest is that Maliki nd the Iraqi government (if such a thing exists) has demanded that all PKK offices and camps in Iraq is to be shut down. The Turkish army resumed shelling villiages on the Iraqi side of the border and Turkish F-16 planes carried out a number of sorties bombing targets inside Iraqi territory.

1. What are your views on the situation?
2. Who do you think is to blame?
3. What actions should the Iraqi government take?



Finally a good thread! Here are my answers.

1. Part of me is outraged that the Turks have been allowed attack our country while the other part of me would secretly love the Turks to go in to the north and teach the dickheads in charge in Irbil and Sulaymania a long overdue lesson, just as long as they withdraw at some stage. I’m still undecided on this one.

2. The so called government of Kurdistan and the US government are fully responsible for allowing the tensions to escalate this far. The PKK are terrorists and those dickheads Talabani/Barazani are sheltering them. The Americans are occupying Iraq and as such must be responsible for protecting us from foreign attack. After all how many more invaders do we need? and what did they expect the Turks to do? allow attacks on their Military to go unpunished? Idiots!

3. Let’s be realistic! What can this corrupt/inept/weak government do to defend us against the second largest army in NATO? they can’t even get close to controlling the armed militias in Iraq? All they can do is blow hot air up everyones asses just like they are doing now.

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RE: Turkey's Incursion in Northern Iraq - Your Views - 10/25/2007 5:37:37 PM   
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Thanks LOB, yup it's been a while since we've had decent threads.

I fully agree with your answers.


1) I am not a big fan of Turkish politics and military (mainly because of their denial of the Armenian genocide and their ultra-secularism), but i would like to see them teach the PKK and Peshmerga and KDP and PUK a lesson they will never forget. Hopfully the Iraqi army can set foot in their northern soil again. All they need is a few divisions and army and airforce bases and they can control the borders. I hope the Turks leave and not make it into another Cyprus.

2) The PUK and KDP and so-called 'Kurdistan government' are to blame. They ammended the Iraqi constitution to ensure that the central government cant control the north and that the Iraqi Army can't set foot in northern Iraq. The Kurds have long benefited from the bad security situation elsewhere in Iraq and this new corrupt constitution. Now, as a result, they have let in a terrorist organisation followed by intruders in to the country. Then they blame the Baghdad government for not doing anything.

3) I agree, the Iraqi government cant do jack!

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RE: Turkey's Incursion in Northern Iraq - Your Views - 10/26/2007 1:02:45 AM   
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2) The PUK and KDP and so-called 'Kurdistan government' are to blame. They ammended the Iraqi constitution to ensure that the central government cant control the north and that the Iraqi Army can't set foot in northern Iraq. The Kurds have long benefited from the bad security situation elsewhere in Iraq and this new corrupt constitution. Now, as a result, they have let in a terrorist organisation followed by intruders in to the country. Then they blame the Baghdad government for not doing anything.


This is the Kurdish specialty. They want the best of both worlds. On the one hand they say they want autonomy from the central and southern regions of Iraq but on the other they expect the Iraqi army to protect them from Turkish attacks that where caused by their own ineptitude, stupidity and arrogance. Its like the with the oil. They want to be independent from the rest of the country but are happy to share in the oil revenue. Given the Kurds have advertised the north as "the safe part of Iraq" and are always quick to point out that they are wholly responsible for this oasis of peace then I say let them deal with the Turks on their own. They can't have it both ways.

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RE: Turkey's Incursion in Northern Iraq - Your Views - 10/26/2007 2:53:50 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Lion of Babylon

quote:

ORIGINAL: tigris81

Just to summarise, the latest is that Maliki nd the Iraqi government (if such a thing exists) has demanded that all PKK offices and camps in Iraq is to be shut down. The Turkish army resumed shelling villiages on the Iraqi side of the border and Turkish F-16 planes carried out a number of sorties bombing targets inside Iraqi territory.

1. What are your views on the situation?
2. Who do you think is to blame?
3. What actions should the Iraqi government take?



Finally a good thread! Here are my answers.

1. Part of me is outraged that the Turks have been allowed attack our country while the other part of me would secretly love the Turks to go in to the north and teach the dickheads in charge in Irbil and Sulaymania a long overdue lesson, just as long as they withdraw at some stage. I’m still undecided on this one.

2. The so called government of Kurdistan and the US government are fully responsible for allowing the tensions to escalate this far. The PKK are terrorists and those dickheads Talabani/Barazani are sheltering them. The Americans are occupying Iraq and as such must be responsible for protecting us from foreign attack. After all how many more invaders do we need? and what did they expect the Turks to do? allow attacks on their Military to go unpunished? Idiots!

3. Let’s be realistic! What can this corrupt/inept/weak government do to defend us against the second largest army in NATO? they can’t even get close to controlling the armed militias in Iraq? All they can do is blow hot air up everyones asses just like they are doing now.


So you want the cowardly Turks to attack your "country" now and yet-all these years- blamed the kurds for welcoming the americans. typical hypocracy of the racist arabs.
Turkey has attacked before. It has 25million kurds in turkey, it knows very well the consequences there and in iraq. It knows how many body bags it needs when it goes into kurdistan. It knows the effect on its volatile economy and internal politics.It knows how much the kurds hate them and are prepared to die for it !! welcome to the new hell turkey

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RE: Turkey's Incursion in Northern Iraq - Your Views - 10/26/2007 6:51:22 AM   
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So you want the cowardly Turks to attack your "country" now and yet-all these years- blamed the kurds for welcoming the americans. typical hypocracy of the racist arabs.
Turkey has attacked before. It has 25million kurds in turkey, it knows very well the consequences there and in iraq. It knows how many body bags it needs when it goes into kurdistan. It knows the effect on its volatile economy and internal politics.It knows how much the kurds hate them and are prepared to die for it !! welcome to the new hell turkey


Dude, why don't you make up your mind? On the one hand you claim the North of Iraq as your autonomous region and then you turn it around by calling it our country (which of course is the only correct thing you have said in your very poor contribution). The fact is your dumb ass government has no clue how to transform the north from a petty tribal state into a real country. You will always winge and moan to the rest of us about not receiving the necessary support and protection from the central government as long as it suites your own ends. Make up your mind and have the conviction to stand by your word. The alternative is for you guys to contribute to Iraq as a country and show some unity with your brethren. Fat chance of that happening as long as we have people like you calling the shots. Get the body bags ready....your gonna need them.

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RE: Turkey's Incursion in Northern Iraq - Your Views - 10/26/2007 7:14:53 AM   
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you kurds are morans the arabs they are never racist against the kurds, it is you kurds are against all the nation and you think by the the land of the iraqis and their oil you can achieve true power well you completly wrong, because all the world knows you kurds your black dicusting history and savages you killed many iraqis in the north of iraq and it is was a huge land and then it was divided into 3 parts by those basterds the french and the british, so they can steal in an easy way and now they want to divided the second time so they can steal more of iraq with their evil (devil) like you kurds are doing right now you are repeating the same mistake 100 years ago when you kurds were allies with turks and killed many middle eastern people, and you kurds and those basterd turks killed many innocent armenians also in the past and you never stop doing only for your crazy kurdistan land that never and never will be excisted.

you kurds will never learn your mistakes from the past, people around the world are starting to hate you kurds because you want to make a world war 3 and the iraqis will suffer from it with you evil (devil) kurds minds with that (monkey batani) masood barazani and that (laughing cow fatso) jalal talibani who both of them have a stupid history and mustafa barazani that basterd discusting murdrer and killer of the innocent iraqi people of the north.

to hell with you all you are not warriors or anything your are just evil people you kurds think you can fool the world with naive and nill and fake history so can stealing more without any shame.
 

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RE: Turkey's Incursion in Northern Iraq - Your Views - 10/26/2007 7:20:10 AM   
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Thanks LOB, yup it's been a while since we've had decent threads.

I fully agree with your answers.


1) I am not a big fan of Turkish politics and military (mainly because of their denial of the Armenian genocide and their ultra-secularism)


tigris, can you fill us in on the Armenian genocide? The reason I ask is that I would prefer to hear from someone in the know rather than google it. Thanks. LOB

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RE: Turkey's Incursion in Northern Iraq - Your Views - 10/26/2007 7:28:11 AM   
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yes we are blaming you kurds and you kurdish government who are like animals, and those discusting iraqi government who are just like a puppets, yes we balme both of you for bringging america to iraq, because you kurds want to destroy iraq with silly ambitions and very stupid excuses, god allah the mighty will never forgive you for doing this, and you kurds will get the body bags for yourself because you now you do not threat anyone because the world knows kurds are chickens and naive and theives and you will run away into the fox holes like before and begging for help you are pretending that you love iraq and when the situation s becomes normal you will become traitors like before and when the situations becomes criticle, you will for help the iraqi people and the government, it like you have two discusting faces that you are playing and you think it will continue forever like this no you are wrong, you are bringgning this haterd to yourself and the racist from all the people around who knows that you are lies and do not think that america and israel will help you forever no it is impossible.

nothing lasts forever in this world only allah the mighty god will last forever, so what if you have 25 million it is nothing you are just bunch of traitors and nothing and unloyalty to anything you evil kurds (devils).
 
 
 
Sadiq.
You don't need to write in such large fonts, your aggrivation could be shown with either the smilies or better yet with your inteligent, reply.
 
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RE: Turkey's Incursion in Northern Iraq - Your Views - 10/26/2007 9:34:41 AM   
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So you want the cowardly Turks to attack your "country" now and yet-all these years- blamed the kurds for welcoming the americans. typical hypocracy of the racist arabs.
Turkey has attacked before. It has 25million kurds in turkey, it knows very well the consequences there and in iraq. It knows how many body bags it needs when it goes into kurdistan. It knows the effect on its volatile economy and internal politics.It knows how much the kurds hate them and are prepared to die for it !! welcome to the new hell turkey


Dude, why don't you make up your mind? On the one hand you claim the North of Iraq as your autonomous region and then you turn it around by calling it our country (which of course is the only correct thing you have said in your very poor contribution). The fact is your dumb ass government has no clue how to transform the north from a petty tribal state into a real country. You will always winge and moan to the rest of us about not receiving the necessary support and protection from the central government as long as it suites your own ends. Make up your mind and have the conviction to stand by your word. The alternative is for you guys to contribute to Iraq as a country and show some unity with your brethren. Fat chance of that happening as long as we have people like you calling the shots. Get the body bags ready....your gonna need them.


Now - that you  racist Arabs  are so happy about turkey invading Iraq to stop the rising star of kurdistan and day-dreaming about “the beloved north” getting back to the tyrrany of arabs – you uncovered again your stupidity, your dirty mentality, your wicked nature, your double standards and your detachment from reality and recent history… I foresee an independent kurdistan after any turkish invasion as the world knows well the cruel nature of arabs and turks – a cruelty embedded deeply in their filthy meat and will never go away. You will stay the same level as that of your ugly camels.

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RE: Turkey's Incursion in Northern Iraq - Your Views - 10/26/2007 10:08:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: havalkaka

Now - that you  racist Arabs  are so happy about turkey invading Iraq to stop the rising star of kurdistan and day-dreaming about “the beloved north” getting back to the tyrrany of arabs – you uncovered again your stupidity, your dirty mentality, your wicked nature, your double standards and your detachment from reality and recent history… I foresee an independent kurdistan after any turkish invasion as the world knows well the cruel nature of arabs and turks – a cruelty embedded deeply in their filthy meat and will never go away. You will stay the same level as that of your ugly camels.


Its quite obvious that I'm wasting my time here! What a sad little man you are. Are all you people parrots?

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RE: Turkey's Incursion in Northern Iraq - Your Views - 10/26/2007 11:53:44 AM   
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tigris, can you fill us in on the Armenian genocide? The reason I ask is that I would prefer to hear from someone in the know rather than google it. Thanks. LOB

LOB:
 
Here is the scoop about the Armenian genocide.
 
In 1914-15 during WW1 the Ottoman Empire which was and still is famous with their cruelty to all those who kept their faith and did not convert to Islam, forgetting their own origin (people who never believed in the wholly creator) decided that all those non-Muslims are enemies of Allah (God). Therefore, they started a systematic killing and displacement of the nearest group of people to their occupied land, and just happened to be the Armenians, Who are known to be the first country that adopted Christianity as a governmental religion.
 
In short, they massacred over one and a half million Armenians, deporting hundred of thousands more from their lands. The killings were so gruesome, that some are unmentionable, others are less violent. Imagine a group of Turkish soldiers coming across an Armenian farmer and his pregnant wife. First they kill the unarmed farmer, then they start betting among themselves if the unborn child is a boy or a girl, once the bets are in, they tie the expectant mother to a tree, and slash her belly open to see who wins the bet. This is if the woman is lucky to be pregnant, at least she gets killed. If she is not pregnant, then it is a group rape for sure. Some even raped young boys as young as seven to ten years old.
 
The mass killings are another way of getting rid of the infidels, mass graves were photographed, (My own grandmother miraculously escaped one of them) where the Turkish military dig a huge trench type hole, and set fire to massive amount of wood cut from trees that Armenian farmers used to grow. Then they start throwing Armenians into the hole, some with their thoughts slashed, some alive.
 
The Turkish government is denying the massacre, because if they did then you can imagine how many human rights violation lawsuits the International Community around the world will bring upon them. Their main alibi is that they were only moving the Armenians to keep them away from the war front, and what was done to them was out of the control of the government, since it was done by individual soldiers and not by any orders from the government. The other thing is (which contradicts the first alibi) is that those who were killed were trying to start a revolution, and they were attacking government installations.
 
Another explanation is that those who were killed are the result of the war itself, and there are Turks who died along with Armenians, also that the number is not near 1.5 million, but only a few thousands. They are even contesting the photographs that are a positive proof of what happened by saying those in the pictures are actually Turks killed by Armenians and not the other way around. Since the attire they wore at the time was very much similar.
 
I can go on and on about this, but it is not the place to elaborate more on the matter, it is better if you search the Internet and read what happened, and the lies that the Turkish government is spreading.

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RE: Turkey's Incursion in Northern Iraq - Your Views - 10/26/2007 12:03:53 PM   
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Finally a good thread! Here are my answers.

1. Part of me is outraged that the Turks have been allowed attack our country while the other part of me would secretly love the Turks to go in to the north and teach the dickheads in charge in Irbil and Sulaymania a long overdue lesson, just as long as they withdraw at some stage. I’m still undecided on this one.

2. The so called government of Kurdistan and the US government are fully responsible for allowing the tensions to escalate this far. The PKK are terrorists and those dickheads Talabani/Barazani are sheltering them. The Americans are occupying Iraq and as such must be responsible for protecting us from foreign attack. After all how many more invaders do we need? and what did they expect the Turks to do? allow attacks on their Military to go unpunished? Idiots!

3. Let’s be realistic! What can this corrupt/inept/weak government do to defend us against the second largest army in NATO? they can’t even get close to controlling the armed militias in Iraq? All they can do is blow hot air up everyones asses just like they are doing now.


I totally agree with you, as much as I hate Turks, I wish they wipeout the Kurdish rebels from the face of the earth; Iraq will be a better place for all Iraqis.
 
Those rebels represent the core of the problem in Iraq; they are the ones who are supplying the insurgents with the weapons they need to create chaos in Baghdad, and the rest of the country.
 
Believe me, it will happen, history will repeat itself; those rebels are going to run to their caves so fast that they will stumble on their own tails.
 
Long lives Iraq, and death to the enemies of Iraq.

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RE: Turkey's Incursion in Northern Iraq - Your Views - 10/26/2007 12:30:05 PM   
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Now - that you  racist Arabs  are so happy about turkey invading Iraq to stop the rising star of kurdistan and day-dreaming about “the beloved north” getting back to the tyrrany of arabs – you uncovered again your stupidity, your dirty mentality, your wicked nature, your double standards and your detachment from reality and recent history… I foresee an independent kurdistan after any turkish invasion as the world knows well the cruel nature of arabs and turks – a cruelty embedded deeply in their filthy meat and will never go away. You will stay the same level as that of your ugly camels.


There you go again, Kurds are this Kurdistan is that, like you people are the shining example of humanity. Open your eyes and smell the blood that you are shedding in Baghdad, Basra, and the rest of the cities of Iraq. You people are the real murderers of all those innocent people who are dying every day from your roadside and car bombings. Arabs were never tyrants, your acts and deadly practices are exposing what kind of tyrants are you, Arabs fought to spread the word of God, you are fighting to rip a country apart, to rip a nation apart. The Turks will crush you and your dreams of taking away a dear part of Iraq.
 
Why do think Turkey is crossing the borders into Iraq to smash your ugly faces? If you had an ounce of brain in your heads, you would have figured it out. Your rats ran away to take shelter in the population of the city, if your mice were in Turkey; the Turkish army would not have to cross the border. Think about it “Qird”.
 
As ugly as our camels are they are still better looking and much smarter than a million Kurd rebels combined.

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RE: Turkey's Incursion in Northern Iraq - Your Views - 10/26/2007 4:33:27 PM   
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Now - that you  racist Arabs  are so happy about turkey invading Iraq to stop the rising star of kurdistan and day-dreaming about “the beloved north” getting back to the tyrrany of arabs – you uncovered again your stupidity, your dirty mentality, your wicked nature, your double standards and your detachment from reality and recent history… I foresee an independent kurdistan after any turkish invasion as the world knows well the cruel nature of arabs and turks – a cruelty embedded deeply in their filthy meat and will never go away. You will stay the same level as that of your ugly camels.


There you go again, Kurds are this Kurdistan is that, like you people are the shining example of humanity. Open your eyes and smell the blood that you are shedding in Baghdad, Basra, and the rest of the cities of Iraq. You people are the real murderers of all those innocent people who are dying every day from your roadside and car bombings. Arabs were never tyrants, your acts and deadly practices are exposing what kind of tyrants are you, Arabs fought to spread the word of God, you are fighting to rip a country apart, to rip a nation apart. The Turks will crush you and your dreams of taking away a dear part of Iraq.
 
Why do think Turkey is crossing the borders into Iraq to smash your ugly faces? If you had an ounce of brain in your heads, you would have figured it out. Your rats ran away to take shelter in the population of the city, if your mice were in Turkey; the Turkish army would not have to cross the border. Think about it “Qird”.
 
As ugly as our camels are they are still better looking and much smarter than a million Kurd rebels combined.


strange words from a strange "Harritian Siropian khisian". Or are you trying to be sweet to your fellow arabs and muslims after the massacre of fellow armenians. I know some kurds helped protect armenians, others helped turkey
in the slaughter... What have kurds to do with all that blood shed in iraq? you must be mental, Why not say Blackwater is a kurdish company and Bush is of kurdish origin but dropped his baggy trousers for a cowboy set...and arabs are never tyrants !!! well if you put your head in the sand you can deny anything. Word of God was not started by arabs. Jesus was not arab, neither was Bodha and the like of mythical symbols. Arabs migrated from africa northwards - without shoes and underwear - as their camels wanted to live in deserts. As to you word "Qird",  you are free to insult as you wish, words are cheap and I can't get your carotid.You know for sure that turkey is hostile to kurdish identity and name. Th issue of pkk is just a pretext. Nobody can defeat determined fighters, turkey tried for two decades, even the KDP/PUK fought them vigourosly in the nineties for supremacy. I personally don't like all these parties but one thing remains I will never side with my enemies, I will never want to live and melt under oppresion.  

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RE: Turkey's Incursion in Northern Iraq - Your Views - 10/26/2007 7:13:22 PM   
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this is beyond horror, absolutley depicable, I am astounded that "humans" can behave this way.

Something is very very wrong with this world and with some.


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RE: Turkey's Incursion in Northern Iraq - Your Views - 10/26/2007 7:24:40 PM   
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"Here is the scoop about the Armenian genocide" this is what I was replying to above.  The edit "key" is not on.

Is it just me or is this discussion a "tad" bit out of hand?

However, I live over here and don't see what many do over there on a daily basis.

I can't imagine it, nor do I want to. 

I just wish so many could realize we are ALL people and most have family/friends others, Most KNOW what it is to truely LOVE if so, then why on earth can't we try to work through things instead of all this bloody blood shed which is just absolutely animalistic!  Where on earth are our "souls".

I think I am in a dream state.




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RE: Turkey's Incursion in Northern Iraq - Your Views - 10/27/2007 12:38:59 AM   
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Why not say Blackwater is a kurdish company and Bush is of kurdish origin but dropped his baggy trousers for a cowboy set


This is your line not ours. You're the ones who like to lay claim to things that don’t belong to you. If you expect others to defend you then perhaps you might want to ask yourself why your Kurdish government hasn’t lifted a finger to help Iraqis living in the central and Southern region. Why is it that you treat fellow Iraqis like second class citizens? Why is it that you take such pleasure in the rest of Iraq's misery? Barazani and Talabani already swapped their Sherwals for cowboy boots back in 1991 and this is the only reason you can smirk at the rest of us. You didn't fight for and win so called Kurdistan off your own backs. It was given to you as thanks for your collaboration with the Yanks back in the day when Bush Snr ran the show.  

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...and arabs are never tyrants !!! well if you put your head in the sand you can deny anything. Word of God was not started by arabs. Jesus was not arab, neither was Bodha and the like of mythical symbols.


Again I’m surprised you haven’t claimed they were all Kurds.

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As to you word "Qird",  you are free to insult as you wish, words are cheap and I can't get your carotid.


I do believe these are your words from an earlier post......

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you uncovered again your stupidity, your dirty mentality, your wicked nature, your double standards and your detachment from reality and recent history


So now you cry that you are offended by Harry’s words despite your own posts being full of hatred and insults. Like I said you can’t have it both ways. And what do you mean by carotid???

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Th issue of pkk is just a pretext. Nobody can defeat determined fighters, turkey tried for two decades, even the KDP/PUK fought them vigourosly in the nineties for supremacy. I personally don't like all these parties but one thing remains I will never side with my enemies, I will never want to live and melt under oppresion. 


So if you don’t like these parties then why don’t you condemn them instead of defending them? Dude, make up your mind.

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RE: Turkey's Incursion in Northern Iraq - Your Views - 10/27/2007 12:58:31 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Harry

LOB:
 
Here is the scoop about the Armenian genocide.
 


Thanks for taking the time to enlighten me about the Armenian genocide. I have to confess I had no idea about this and feel somewhat ashamed at my ignorance. I will certainly take time out to research the matter in more detail.

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RE: Turkey's Incursion in Northern Iraq - Your Views - 10/27/2007 7:12:05 AM   
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tigris, can you fill us in on the Armenian genocide? The reason I ask is that I would prefer to hear from someone in the know rather than google it. Thanks. LOB


LOB, its pretty much as Harry mentioned. Its also worth adding that present-day Iraq was the first country to open its doors and homes to the huge flow of Armenian refugees that escaped the Ottoman perscution and granted them refuge and citezenship, etc. Other countries were al Sham (present day Syria & Lebanon), and Persia, and I think Egypt.
Until this day, Turkey has not apologised officialy nor accepted responsibility for the massacre. Lately, some US polititians signed a petition that demanded that the massacre be recognised an a historic genocide (like the jewish Holocaust) and this was met by huge protests in Turkey. Even some Muslim clerics in the Arab world apologised and felt shame in what the Ottomans did, except for the Turks.
Its like after Attaturk's state was established, they wiped out their past and put on a new face. They shifted 180 degrees from religious extremism to secular extermism (to the point where the alphabet was changed and headscarfs are banned in universities and government & public sectors). 

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RE: Turkey's Incursion in Northern Iraq - Your Views - 10/27/2007 7:26:07 AM   
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So you want the cowardly Turks to attack your "country" now and yet-all these years- blamed the kurds for welcoming the americans. typical hypocracy of the racist arabs.

Iraq is already invaded and occupied by more than 1 army, so another army  wont make much of a difference. But lets make it clear, that it was you guys who brought the Turkish army to the territories of the Iraqi Republic.

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Turkey has attacked before.

Yes they did, but in Saddam's days, they were careful on how deep inside Iraqi territory they went and how long they stayed. Now, with a weak & divided Iraq, God knows how long they will stay and which major city they will reach.


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You will stay the same level as that of your ugly camels.

What brought camels into this?. If you want to compare animals in the south with animals in the north, then lets start with Jalal Talabani - whats worse, an ugly camel or an overgrown cow, what will it be?. Plus, camels can last over 20 days without water, thats longer than how long a PKK or Peshmerga fighter will last as soon as the Turkish army (and maybe a strong Iraqi army) starts hunting them down one by one.

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RE: Turkey's Incursion in Northern Iraq - Your Views - 10/27/2007 10:45:37 AM   
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Well DUDE'S, I must say it certainly appears that Some do indeed have Ball's, there I actually spelled the word!!!

Reality today and with these messes, Ball's are indeed necessary.

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RE: Turkey's Incursion in Northern Iraq - Your Views - 10/27/2007 11:25:29 AM   
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Well DUDE'S, I must say it certainly appears that Some do indeed have Ball's, there I actually spelled the word!!!

Reality today and with these messes, Ball's are indeed necessary.

yep




Yah, but those cave dwellers have either rotten pair of balls, or just a single one.

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RE: Turkey's Incursion in Northern Iraq - Your Views - 10/28/2007 12:43:22 PM   
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it is you dirty  iraqis and arabs who are the racist ones.
you all have 2 faces because you hate the turks and the kurds but like the turks. harry or harritian as my warrior friend halvalkaka says and you lion of stupidlon and sadiqa and tiger81 and all you chavaunists i tell you that when we finish from the turks we will crush you  and take you back to your camels and tents and magic carpet where you should be. i thought that maybe when the dog your king saddam died that you will all leaen a lesson but no i think saddam left children and we must destroy them!!!!!!!!


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RE: Turkey's Incursion in Northern Iraq - Your Views - 10/28/2007 12:56:42 PM   
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haval, bash kak. We need to teach these terrorists a lesson they think they are still a threat to us and think saddam is there and still think we are lower than them like 2 class people.

biji kurdistan!

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