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sadiq2006 -> RE: The Nuri al-Maliki's Thread (8/22/2007 12:44:36 PM)

iraqi100percent
 
you are right but do not forget that mesopotamia (iraq) was always an open land from thousands of years until now because it is a very flat land a easy to occupie and to steal it.   



Lion of Babylon -> RE: The Nuri al-Maliki's Thread (8/22/2007 3:14:50 PM)

To PM Maliki. They gave you power and they can take it back!

Iraq PM hits back at US criticism
 
Iraq's PM Nouri Maliki has rejected US criticism of his administration, saying "no-one has the right to place timetables" on its performance.

Mr Maliki blamed the US presidential election campaign for many of the "discourteous" comments. Speaking at the end of a visit to Syria he said Iraq would pay no attention and could "find friends elsewhere".

On Tuesday, US President George W Bush appeared to distance himself for the first time from Mr Maliki's government. Mr Bush said the people of Iraq had made a great step towards reconciliation. However he added that there was "a certain level of frustration with the leadership" of Mr Maliki and that his government now had to perform.

"If the government doesn't respond to the demands of the people, they will replace the government - that's up the Iraqis to make that decision, not American politicians," he said. Mr Bush's comments came after the US ambassador to Baghdad, Ryan Crocker, said political progress in Iraq had been "extremely disappointing".

On Monday, the chairman of the US Senate Committee on Armed Services, Carl Levin, urged the Iraqi parliament to evict Mr Maliki's government and replace it with one considered less sectarian.
In other news in Iraq:

Fourteen US soldiers were killed when a Black Hawk helicopter in which they were travelling crashed in northern Iraq. The military said a mechanical fault was to blame.
At least 15 people were killed and 50 injured when a suicide bomber rammed a fuel tanker into a police station in the northern oil city of Baiji.
The deputy US commander in Iraq told the BBC that the US has recruited 20,000 civilian volunteers to act as local police in sensitive areas of the country.
'Discourteous'
Speaking after meeting Syrian Prime Minister Naji al-Otari in Damascus, Mr Maliki rejected US criticism of his leadership and his administration's performance.

"No one has the right to place timetables on the Iraq government. It was elected by its people," he said.

"Those who make such statements are bothered by our visit to Syria. We will pay no attention. We care for our people and our constitution and can find friends elsewhere," he added.

Later on Wednesday, President Bush is due to make a speech at the convention of Veterans of Foreign Wars, in which he is expected to say the battle in Iraq is as vital as earlier US campaigns and will once again call for perseverance. He will say that although there are many differences between the conflicts in Iraq and Vietnam, "they are all ideological struggles", according to excerpts released by the White House. Officials said Mr Bush's speech was part of an attempt to provide "broader context" to the debate on Iraq ahead of a crucial administration assessment in mid-September of the current surge strategy of boosting US troop numbers in Iraq.



Lion of Babylon -> RE: The Nuri al-Maliki's Thread (8/25/2007 10:12:22 PM)

100%. Where did you dissapear to?



SoranJ -> RE: The Nuri al-Maliki's Thread (8/26/2007 6:18:51 AM)

 
sadiq2006, how dare you speak about the Kurdish politians like that. just look at kurdistan and look at iraq and see the difference. see how differnt they dress, see how much more freedom there is in kurdistan and it is thanks to kak Masood and mam Jalal. look at what your people did to the yazidis, and you say that the kurds are monkeys? ha? we are building a new zoo in Sulaymani and we will put terrorists from iraq in the cages.




Calm -> RE: The Nuri al-Maliki's Thread (8/26/2007 8:55:14 AM)

so why have we got so many kurds living in the west?

Take them back for god's sake.





Iraqi100Percent -> RE: The Nuri al-Maliki's Thread (8/26/2007 11:47:06 AM)

Lion of Babylon

I understand where you are coming from but tell me from Iraq's history where did it happen that a dictatorship was able to establish democracy? Look at Russia, dictatorship to democracy to corruption. How about Pakistan, a pure dictatorship, Turkey from a democracy to a theocracy now.

If you look at my posts I didn't want Saddam around what I keep saying is that Saddam has proven to be more Iraqi than the bunch of corrupt mullas running Iraq now and they are more bloody than saddam was. The problem here is if we had a dictatorship and a country why destroy the whole country to simply go back to what we had? Was this whole thing an execuse for the US and Iran and Iraqis are the victims? And if that's the case isn't this considered a genocide against humanity by members of the united nations and iraqi croocks pushed into the government in a fake election?

look at this from the bigger picture of where we were and what's happening now and what was gained and lost in the process you will see that Iraqis lost everything even their dignity and honor where US and Iran gained everything including the traitor iraqis like maliki and company from his dawa party and everyone in that government.

it's a shame what has happened to correct it, you might be right we will need a dictatorship but such dicactorship will have to run the country for 4-5 generations before you can establish a democracy, but then I ask you isn't this what Saddam was doing? We keep going from bad to worst and remembering the previous system and wishing it was still there from the day iraq was established to today. So when is this cycle of bloody Iraqi politics is going to ever end? The answer is when there are no more resources in iraq to keep traitors selling their own people and no resources for outsiders like chevron and texico. Don't blame outsides when your house has filth in it.

At this time, you might be right in that Iraqis want a strong dictatorship to govern but without the Iraqi army that Iraq had, this new dictatorship will have to rely on the US to do its job. The Iraqi army left its posts because they will not serve an outsider. Whatever army you will see later is an army that was bribed with oil money.



tigris81 -> RE: The Nuri al-Maliki's Thread (8/27/2007 9:05:20 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SoranJ
just look at kurdistan and look at iraq and see the difference. see how differnt they dress,

Yup, big difference. In Baghdad they wear shirts, trousers, suits, in the north they wear the shwar and that stuff on their heads. Look at the difference between what Saddam (during peace time) used to wear or what Ayad Allawi wears and what Barzani wears. Big difference.

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see how much more freedom there is in kurdistan and it is thanks to kak Masood and mam Jalal.

Oh yeah, much more freedom. The PUK and KDP were killing each other (and still are) for decades because of lack of freedom. The Peshmerga occupied so many farms belonging to Assyrians, Arabs and even Kurds and used them as border lines for the so-called Kurdistan region and observation points. But hey, thats freedom.

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look at what your people did to the yazidis,

What do you mean by 'your people'?. These crimes were carried out by a minority group of maybe 50 indiiduals. What does 50 individuals have to do with a population of 25 million (or even 21 million for your sake as you dont consider yourself Iraqi). The Yazidies are treated as 3rd class citizens in the north, Assyrians, Arabs, and Turkmen are treated as 2nd class. 



sadiq2006 -> RE: The Nuri al-Maliki's Thread (8/27/2007 7:48:06 PM)

Soranj
 
you are discusting and your silly comments you kurds many many many mesopotamians (iraq) and stealing their lands you do not have any dignity and loyalty only for yourself.
 
and kurdistan name is a politicle given to you by the british and the french before 100 years or more just to divide the ottoman empire that is all you do not have history and dignity.

and please will stop saying this crazy kurdish name of yours [:@][:@][:@][:@][:@][:@]  (kak) Masood and (mam) Jalal what are they mama and papa you mean what such low crazy kurdish names and comparing hah you soranj and your history is soooooooooooooooooo funny hah.



sadiq2006 -> RE: The Nuri al-Maliki's Thread (8/27/2007 7:50:39 PM)

tigris81
 
everything what you said absaloutly and correct 100% i agree with you.
 
and please teach that crazy soranj a history lessen. 
 
way to go tigris81.[sm=smiley32.gif][sm=smiley32.gif][sm=smiley32.gif]



sadiq2006 -> RE: The Nuri al-Maliki's Thread (8/27/2007 7:54:46 PM)

Soranj
 
the freedom is only for those crazy monkey leaders of yours what you call them (kak) Masood and (mam) Jalal.[sm=smiley36.gif][sm=smiley36.gif][sm=smiley36.gif][sm=smiley36.gif][sm=smiley36.gif][sm=smiley36.gif]



sadiq2006 -> RE: The Nuri al-Maliki's Thread (8/27/2007 7:58:29 PM)

Soranj

and what you mean (look at what your people did to the yazidis) i have nothing to do with it, it is your kurdish dumb peope who did this and also by the individuals and by your (kak) Masood and (mam) Jalal.[:'(][:@][>:][X(]  



tigris81 -> RE: The Nuri al-Maliki's Thread (8/28/2007 8:10:24 AM)

 
Thanks Sadiq. Yeah, people like Soranj need to be taught a lesson at times. Sometimes I think of ignoring his posts but they may see it as a victory. They are in their own world and the problem is that their parents brainwash them and they brainwash their children and so on with this crazy ideology of 'greater kurdistan' and how the Arabs are their sworn enemy and that they have a promised land by God and they are the chosen ones.

Since the word 'Zoo' was mentioned, we can call it 'kirdistan', 'kird' meaning monkey in Arabic. [:D]



Harry -> RE: The Nuri al-Maliki's Thread (8/28/2007 8:39:04 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SoranJ
sadiq2006, how dare you speak about the Kurdish politians like that.

Get used to it bud, it’s a part of the freedom and democracy you claim you have in your dreamland.
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ORIGINAL: SoranJ
just look at kurdistan and look at iraq and see the difference.

Yah, I see a big difference. Iraq is a country, your dreamland is… well… just a dreamland.
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ORIGINAL:SoranJ
see how much more freedom there is in kurdistan and it is thanks to kak Masood and mam Jalal.

There is no freedom in dreamland; you are working like jackasses, to feed the potbelly of your Kaka and Mama. If there were any freedom, those non-Arabs who ask for a refuge in the north would have some dignified, and humane treatment, instead of being treated like dirt.



Lion of Babylon -> RE: The Nuri al-Maliki's Thread (8/28/2007 11:56:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: tigris81


Thanks Sadiq. Yeah, people like Soranj need to be taught a lesson at times. Sometimes I think of ignoring his posts but they may see it as a victory. They are in their own world and the problem is that their parents brainwash them and they brainwash their children and so on with this crazy ideology of 'greater kurdistan' and how the Arabs are their sworn enemy and that they have a promised land by God and they are the chosen ones.

Since the word 'Zoo' was mentioned, we can call it 'kirdistan', 'kird' meaning monkey in Arabic. [:D]


Dude, answering his posts will add fuel to his fire. This guy is some dumb ass kid who posts these stupid inane comments to get a rise out of people. By answering his semi illiterate posts you end up playing right into his clammy hands. Ignore him and he will just get bored and disappear into the cesspool that he came from. Trust me on this one!



sadiq2006 -> RE: The Nuri al-Maliki's Thread (8/29/2007 10:39:26 AM)

tigris81
 
hahahahaha (kird) means monkey that's a nice one, and what about (istan) is there any meaning about it also because i want to laugh at them. [:D][:D][:D]
 
thank you tigris81 and god bless you my dear friend.



Calm -> RE: The Nuri al-Maliki's Thread (8/29/2007 4:01:07 PM)

Sadiq is a double agent.  He love the kurds deep down, but he had fallen out with them, so until the kiss a make up, and make Kaka Sadiq again, we have to put up with him.

Kaka Sadiq.



Lion of Babylon -> RE: The Nuri al-Maliki's Thread (8/29/2007 10:46:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL Calm
Sadiq is a double agent.  He love the kurds deep down, but he had fallen out with them, so until the kiss a make up, and make Kaka Sadiq again, we have to put up with him.

Kaka Sadiq.


Oh Oh. Now you've gone and made him angry. Prepare for the backlash! [:D]



tigris81 -> RE: The Nuri al-Maliki's Thread (8/31/2007 6:21:56 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Lion of Babylon
Dude, answering his posts will add fuel to his fire. This guy is some dumb ass kid who posts these stupid inane comments to get a rise out of people. By answering his semi illiterate posts you end up playing right into his clammy hands. Ignore him and he will just get bored and disappear into the cesspool that he came from. Trust me on this one!


LOB, you are right buddy. Its just hard to ignore sometimes, especially when they make such stupid comments. I still cant get over the one where Soranj claimed that Armenia and mount Ararat is part of the so-called 'kurdistan'. [:D]



Lion of Babylon -> RE: The Nuri al-Maliki's Thread (8/31/2007 7:28:09 AM)

Sorry Bro, I missed this first time round. Thanks for taking the time to answer my comments. We do agree on some things but not on others.

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I understand where you are coming from but tell me from Iraq's history where did it happen that a dictatorship was able to establish democracy? Look at Russia, dictatorship to democracy to corruption. How about Pakistan, a pure dictatorship, Turkey from a democracy to a theocracy now.


You are correct. The whole notion of “handing democracy on a plate” is a joke. I’ve always held true to this. There are no democracies in the Middle East, there are only good or bad dictatorships. The US idea of taking a culturally, racially and religiously mixed country like Iraq and turning it into a shining example of democracy in the ME in 2-3 years was absolutely ludicrous.

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If you look at my posts I didn't want Saddam around what I keep saying is that Saddam has proven to be more Iraqi than the bunch of corrupt mullas running Iraq now and they are more bloody than saddam was. The problem here is if we had a dictatorship and a country why destroy the whole country to simply go back to what we had? Was this whole thing an execuse for the US and Iran and Iraqis are the victims? And if that's the case isn't this considered a genocide against humanity by members of the united nations and iraqi croocks pushed into the government in a fake election?


Sorry bro, but Saddam had the greatest opportunity in Iraq’s history to modernize and rehabilitate the country and take it into the future by concentrating economic and social prosperity. God knows he had the resources. Instead he took a potentially massive country and turned it into a third world state. This is why I will always believe he was Iraq’s worst ever leader. He wasted our country and took all our futures with him on his Machiavellian journey of self adoration. In any case that’s all history now what we have been given in place of Saddam is a country that has been turned into every Tom, Dick and Harry’s battle ground with no real thought for how they’re gonna put a lid on this pressure cooker before the whole region goes ballistic. I have to be honest and say I still can’t for the life of me figure how they made such a bloody mess of our country but I guess there are too many cooks in this kitchen for it to really have a chance of working but like it or not, this is what we have ended up with. Now we have to think about how best to patch up this wound and at least offer the public some security and services. After that we can address other issues such as how we can introduce democracy to our people and shape that democratic process to suite our culture and psyche. If this means bringing in a dictatorship type government to take control of this anarchy until the plan is drawn up for a future democratic process then that’s OK by me.
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look at this from the bigger picture of where we were and what's happening now and what was gained and lost in the process you will see that Iraqis lost everything even their dignity and honor where US and Iran gained everything including the traitor iraqis like maliki and company from his dawa party and everyone in that government.


Yes, the succession of leaders such as Jaffari and Maliki are simply too close to Iran for any of us to take them seriously.

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it's a shame what has happened to correct it, you might be right we will need a dictatorship but such dicactorship will have to run the country for 4-5 generations before you can establish a democracy, but then I ask you isn't this what Saddam was doing?


No bro, Saddam was most certainly NOT doing this. He never had a plan for democracy. He would have passed power down to his sons and they would do the same. Saddam had thirty years in government and there was never any sign that his ambitions had democratic leanings. It was always “Obey me or die” with that ****.

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We keep going from bad to worst and remembering the previous system and wishing it was still there from the day iraq was established to today. So when is this cycle of bloody Iraqi politics is going to ever end? The answer is when there are no more resources in iraq to keep traitors selling their own people and no resources for outsiders like chevron and texico. Don't blame outsides when your house has filth in it.


I have to agree. Our biggest blessing has always been our biggest problem. Iraq’s national resources will always attract the vultures so we have to learn how to deal with this and make it work for us.

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At this time, you might be right in that Iraqis want a strong dictatorship to govern but without the Iraqi army that Iraq had, this new dictatorship will have to rely on the US to do its job. The Iraqi army left its posts because they will not serve an outsider. Whatever army you will see later is an army that was bribed with oil money.


Initially we would be 80% - 90% reliant on the US to put things on the right course but once it starts to work we can decrease the American role until we are dealing with the majority of issues ourselves. It’ll take time but what else have we got to do? We cannot do this alone, this is very clear to me. What puts the ****s up me is if Iraq is allowed to descend into an Islamic State because if this happens then all our dreams of freedom and democracy will be flushed down the toilet.



sadiq2006 -> RE: The Nuri al-Maliki's Thread (8/31/2007 7:30:52 AM)

tigris81
 
not only that the kurds claimed that also that the north of iraq is part of kurdistan and also they are cliaming that mountain judi (الجودي) where there is the ship (ark) for mesopotamian prophet noah (nuh) peace be upon him claiming that this mountain also a kurdish mountain and it is blessed for them only not for iraq (that originally for iraq but i am disapointed that turkey invaded it and stole it from the iraq culture) and also thay are saying that every civilization they destroy it is bad and they the best, how low these people can get in everything you there is an arabic saying (lie lie lie lie lie until the people believes you) that is the kurds method my dear tigris81.
 
because they do not any origin background they want to steal more of the other people's land and claiming it for them whenever there is a kurd living in any land they it is part of kurdistan.
 
(and they think they can fool the world but they are wrong those have no any dignity and loyalty) espacially when they stealing everything from like the oil and the gas by their crazy article they call it 140 that it was made by that stupid discusting (papa or kaka) masood barazani.
 
and they think that they are more iraqi and loyalty to iraq than anyone else how these kurds get.



spiritualmutants -> RE: The Nuri al-Maliki's Thread (7/20/2008 2:35:15 PM)

Get ready for a new revolution.



NeoBabylonian -> RE: The Nuri al-Maliki's Thread (7/20/2008 6:56:26 PM)

Welcome to the site bro, but what revolution?

As far as I know revolutions come when one side is oppressed and suddenly realise that after years of stupidity, or are at least tricked into thinking that by new oppressors.

I'd just like to point out that maybe instead of all asking "why maliki is not doing anything to help Iraq?", and coming up with answers like "because he's stupid", we should all ask ourselves "why would he bother doing so?". This climate of turmoil and living hell is actually beneficial to pseudo-democratic leaders like him. Maliki is not stupid - I say he is very clever indeed.
By creating this climate of 100 murders a day, rife terrorism, fear and confusion - his own political party's crimes committed by their armed groups go unnoticed. Who the hell will notice potential Sunni voters being stopped from voting by Shia militias, Arabs forcefully evicted from Diyala so to engineer a majority Kurdish popularions etc... when a bomb in Baghdad killed 30 and injured 100? Who will care that maliki's party is embessiling money into their own Swiss accounts and private funds when an offensive against militia in Baghdad killed a few hundred of their men, or a bullet bounced off an American soldier's helmet and how lucky he was?
Maliki knows in a true demcracy he'll be kicked out one day or another, and will have to go to his old job of selling his copy-and-pasted versions of his soul to him or her for money? At least while in power he makes money, and makes powerfull friends on both sides of Iran and the US.

The US has the most sophisticated intelligence systems ever created, and they know that extremely well. But what can they do? Forcibly depose Maliki and the Democrats have a field-day, report is and the blame shift to them. They know Maliki is in bed with their #1 enemy, Iran, and they hate him for betraying them like that, but they really got the US by the balls. All they can do is cover-up this catastrophy of the century with more empty promises and fabricated good news and hope they'll stand a chance in the 2012 elections after people started forgetting.

Maliki learned from the Americans, and the War on Terror - how chaos is the best cover up of reducing civil liberties and increasing the power of the government. The oldest trick in the book - if you want to do something others wont like - tap them on the shoulder and say "hey buddy, look at that more interesting thing there" while you reach in their pockets and steal their wallet.
I think America knows it has no hope for control and influence on Iraq (which was probably the main reason for war), and have given up to the most part. But they still use their muscles squeeze Maliki in making it look like he's with them.

Maliki is with Iran at the moment - as it is most beneficial for him, and helps him stay in power, via it's control over the fake religious gangsters like Sadr, who still have considerable influence on the Shia voices.

Al Qaeda does exist and is making trouble, but don't have a political agenda being the complete retards they are. They, if anything, are helping Iran by fighting the Americans and making them withdrawl as soon as possible, or are fighting the political armed groups and the civilains, thus maintaining the chaos to hide Maliki's death squads.

The Kurds are doing exactly the same as the political parties in Iraq - except for they use Peshmarga as their cheap hired guns - and it is such guerilla groups that influence the hearts of a lot of nationalist Kurds. And like with the Iraq militias, those groups need very little money and equipment to operate. Cheap Klashnikovs and a few dollars and they are willing to fight. The rest of the money Barzani and the likes pocket - just like Maliki.

And recently, the US started going in league with Sunni ex-terrorists and Al Qaeda, to help shift the weight away from Maliki and his pro-Iran friends in a last-ditch effort, and also making good use of the chaos in Iraq and how cheap it is to equip an army of people with no jobs due to the situation.




spiritualmutants -> RE: The Nuri al-Maliki's Thread (7/20/2008 9:52:32 PM)

I meant to say, get ready for a return to old style ways of many years ago. Sometimes living like that is better. You are right, America & the West can't stay & occupy in Iraq, let alone Afghanistan, they should of learned from what happened to the British & the Russians. What would happen if Iran & Iraq join like allies? And what group are you, Sunni or Shia?



Iraqi100Percent -> RE: The Nuri al-Maliki's Thread (7/21/2008 11:14:57 AM)

Lion of Babylon

I missed your reply and just getting to it. Saddam has done so much hard to Iraqis but when you compare what has happened under his name with what has happened since the puppet government has been installed you start question what has been accomplished in Iraq?

saddam is a dictator, bring democracy, but then you say we need a dictator to govern, what makes you sure this new elected dictator or party is not going to act like saddam and want to stick around for many many years to come? The ba'ath party was run by saddam but now we have the whole country is run by the dawa party.

This whole bloody war wasn't to liberate Iraqis from saddam but to secure long term bases in Iraq for the americans and to secure long term oil contracts for the US and who was ready to sell this to the americans the dawa party. They needed a way to bring the americans and do the fighting for them to take control fom the tikritis and give control to the dawa party. Now they are there, siphoning billions of Iraq's money and Iraqis wonder what has happened to them.



NeoBabylonian -> RE: The Nuri al-Maliki's Thread (7/21/2008 11:31:27 AM)

Very true bro - I agree with you totally on that.

The Americans should have also learned from the Vietnam war, and the Russian's occupation of Afghanistan. By te way, was that what you meant by Russian, because I never heard of them ever invading/occupying Iraq - but I'm hopeless at history. [:D] 

I have no problem with anyone joining with anyone else as allies - we need more allies and less enemies in the world. However, I have reservations about Iraq and Iran joining as allies right now, for the reason of the current Iranian Islamist government who not even the majority of Iranians - who seem to be ultra-secularist, anti-Islam and somewhat Persian nationalist - want.

We are not even allies yet, but have you heard on the BBC a month or so ago when Ahmadinejad suggested Iraq install an Ayatollah-style government like Iran? How can we be friends, let alone allies, to a government who falsely uses one of the most peacefull religions in order to take civil liberties from their own people and fulfil their own greed? Even worse their intentions don't seem as much to be being friends, but rather us being influenced by them, threatening our national soveriegnty even more than the Americans who Maliki complains about. He never said a word of condemnation against that comment.

And politics aside, hope you understand that it slightly awkward in the very least to be friends with Iran straightaway, as Arab-Persian bad blood still circulates to some degree, especially on their sides it may seem. Just go to any Iranian forum, and see how many times the normal people mock us Arab, distort our image and spread falasies about our history and the religion we started.

Iraq-Iran friendship is a good idea - but only when the people are ready, not when the greed-driven undemocratic politicians are.

And welcome again to the forum bro. And religiously I am neither Sunni nor Shia, but Athiest.



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