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Lion of Babylon -> Iraqi Deaths Due to U.S. Invasion: 1,000,985 (8/17/2007 10:03:34 AM)

Unbelievable!! [X(]

Iraqi Deaths Due to U.S. Invasion: 1,000,985
 
The number is shocking and sobering.  It is at least 10 times greater than most estimates cited in the US media, yet it is based on the only scientifically valid study of violent Iraqi deaths caused by the U.S.-led invasion of March 2003.
 
That study, published in prestigious medical journal The Lancet, estimated that over 600,000 Iraqis had been killed as a result of the invasion as of July 2006. Iraqis have continued to be killed since then. The graphic above provides a rough daily update of this number based on a rate of increase derived from the Iraq Body Count. (See the complete explanation.)
 
This devastating human toll demands greater recognition. It eclipses the Rwandan genocide and our leaders are directly responsible. Little wonder they do not publicly cite it. Here is simple HTML code to post the counter to your website and help spread the word.




sadiq2006 -> RE: Iraqi Deaths Due to U.S. Invasion: 1,000,985 (8/18/2007 2:14:44 PM)

lion of babylon
 
i told you that before they want to wipe all the mesopotamians (iraqis) so they can get their hands on the oil and the gas very easy and the basterds kurds are helping the americans and israel's for it.




Lion of Babylon -> RE: Iraqi Deaths Due to U.S. Invasion: 1,000,985 (8/22/2007 10:40:35 PM)

Dudes, this figure sounds a little too high to me but I wanted to hear if anyone had heard anything further to back up these huge numbers. Let me know if you have any info.




tigris81 -> RE: Iraqi Deaths Due to U.S. Invasion: 1,000,985 (8/23/2007 3:57:05 AM)

 
Lion,

This is a link that I found which kind of back up these figures:

http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/iraq/iraqdeaths.html




jukka -> RE: Iraqi Deaths Due to U.S. Invasion: 1,000,985 (8/23/2007 4:10:47 AM)

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Iraqi Deaths Due to U.S. Invasion: 1,000,985


Gimme a break! Due to U.S. invasion? Im guessing 95% of the casualties is caused by iraqis and al-qaida/foreign fighters themselves. Bombings, sectarian killings, death squads etc.. [&:]

Does it make any sense to drill holes to the boat if the boat is sinking? [8|]








sadiq2006 -> RE: Iraqi Deaths Due to U.S. Invasion: 1,000,985 (8/23/2007 9:54:39 AM)

jukka
 
you said :(Does it make any sense to drill holes to the boat if the boat is sinking?) [8|], well it depends if you want to kill them quick and fast and get rid of them ofcourse if you like revenge very much. 
 
so like i said before it depends on the human being heart and his dignity.




sadiq2006 -> RE: Iraqi Deaths Due to U.S. Invasion: 1,000,985 (8/23/2007 9:57:39 AM)

jukka
 
do not forget the U.S. invasion also helped on killing more iraqis for their crazy ambitions and greedeness for the oil and gas like what the kurds and this iraqi puppets governments, the more iraqis are killed the more america stays in iraq and take advantage of it by stealing the oil and gas from iraq and kurds ofcourse are helping them just crazy fake revenge in their silly politics.




Lion of Babylon -> RE: Iraqi Deaths Due to U.S. Invasion: 1,000,985 (8/23/2007 12:11:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: jukka

Gimme a break! Due to U.S. invasion? Im guessing 95% of the casualties is caused by iraqis and al-qaida/foreign fighters themselves. Bombings, sectarian killings, death squads etc.. [&:]


Dude, if the Americans hadn't invaded then we wouldn't have had Al Qaida, Badr, Mehdi Army, Ansar Al Suna, bombings, sectarian violence, death squads etc......Get it!  [&:]




sadiq2006 -> RE: Iraqi Deaths Due to U.S. Invasion: 1,000,985 (8/23/2007 5:50:18 PM)

lion of babylon
 
you are 100% right on what you said it is because of america and israel and the kurds, god damn them all to hell.[:@][:'(][&:][>:][X(][&o][:o]




Lion of Babylon -> RE: Iraqi Deaths Due to U.S. Invasion: 1,000,985 (8/25/2007 12:13:01 PM)

This is an explanation about how they calculated the figures:
 
What Just Foreign Policy’s Iraqi Death Estimator Is and Is Not
Since the last scientific estimate of 601,000 violent Iraqi deaths attributable to the U.S.-led invasion was made over a year ago, it necessarily does not include Iraqis who have been killed since then. We would like to update this number both to provide a more relevant day-to-day estimate of the Iraqi dead and to emphasize that the human tragedy mounts each day this brutal war continues. This daily estimate is a rough estimate. It is not scientific; for that, another study must be conducted. However, absent such a study, we think this constitutes a best estimate of violent Iraqi deaths that is certainly more reliable than widely cited numbers that, often for political reasons, ignore the findings of scientifically sound demographic studies.
 
The Significance of the Iraqi Death Estimate
The Lancet study already demonstrated that, as of July 2006, the deaths caused by the U.S. invasion of Iraq rivaled the death toll of the 1994 Rwandan genocide. Our update suggests that it has now surpassed even high estimates of deaths in Rwanda. (Note that this does not even include Iraqi deaths attributable to the 1991 Gulf War or the sanctions imposed on the population between the two wars.) Realization of the daunting scale of the death and suffering inflicted on Iraqis should add urgency to efforts to end the occupation and to prevent such “pre-emptive” invasions or “interventions” in the future. The American people need to rein in their government and create a new kind of foreign policy, one based on cooperation, law, and diplomacy rather than violence and aggression.
 
The Rationale for Just Foreign Policy’s Iraqi Death Estimator
Iraq is in a state of extreme upheaval that makes it very difficult to record deaths. The occupiers and the central government they established do not control much of the country. The occupying forces have made it clear that they “do not do body counts.” The Iraqi government releases regular estimates of deaths in the country, but these are unreliable. In early 2006, the Iraqi Minister of Health publicly estimated between 40,000 and 50,000 violent Iraqi deaths since the invasion. In October 2006, the same week a study was published in the Lancet estimating 600,000 deaths, the Minister tripled his estimate, saying there had been 150,000 deaths. Can this be anything but political?

The media in any country only detect a fraction of all violent deaths. In Iraq, the media is limited to shrinking zones of safe passage. While press reports of violence in Iraq are important and often heroically obtained, they cannot provide a complete picture of all deaths in that war-torn country. In a country such as Iraq, where sufficient reporting mechanisms do not exist, there is a scientifically accepted way to measure demographics including death rate: a cluster survey. Cluster surveys provide reliable demographic information the wake of natural disasters, wars and famines. Cluster surveys give us the data about deaths in Darfur, accepted for example by the U.S. government as one basis for its charge of genocide. They are used by U.N. agencies charged with disaster and famine relief.

In Iraq, there have been two scientifically rigorous cluster surveys conducted since the U.S.-led invasion in March 2003. The first, published in the prestigious British medical journal The Lancet (available in pdf), estimated that 100,000 excess Iraqi deaths had resulted from the invasion as of September 2004. The second survey, also published in The Lancet (available in pdf), updated that estimate through July 2006. Due to an escalating mortality rate, the researchers estimated that over 650,000 Iraqis had died who would not have died had the death rate remained at pre-invasion levels. Roughly 601,000 of those excess deaths were due to violence.

As with all statistical methods, the Lancet surveys come with a margin of error, as do opinion polls, for example. In the second survey, the researchers were 95 percent certain that there were between 426,000 and 794,000 excess violent deaths from March 2003 to July 2006. 601,000 is the most likely number of excess violent deaths. It is this number that our Estimator updates.
 
How Just Foreign Policy’s Iraqi Death Estimate is Calculated
For the Iraqi Death Estimator, Just Foreign Policy accepts the Lancet estimate of 601,000 violent Iraqi deaths attributable to the U.S. invasion and occupation as of July 2006. To update this number, we need to obtain a rate of how quickly deaths are mounting in Iraq. For this purpose, the Iraq Body Count (IBC) provides the most reliable, frequently updated database of deaths in Iraq. (The IBC also usefully provides a database of all violent Iraqi deaths demonstrable through press reports and thus relatively undeniable.) The IBC provides a maximum and minimum. We opted to use the midpoint between the two for our calculation.

We multiple the Lancet number as of July 2006 by the ratio of current IBC deaths divided by IBC deaths as of July 1, 2006 (43,394).

The formula used is:
Just Foreign Policy estimate = (Lancet estimate as of July 2006) * ( (Current IBC Deaths) / (IBC Deaths as of July 1, 2006) )

Use of the Iraq Body Count Database
The Iraq Body Count (IBC) records all violent Iraqi civilian deaths recorded in at least two English-language press reports. Our Estimator assumes that the IBC’s method, while it does not capture all Iraqi deaths as shown by the Lancet studies, captures roughly the same percentage of deaths over time. This means, for example, that if the violent death rate in Iraq doubled over a given period, IBC would count approximately twice the number of deaths per day over that period than it did previously. If the death rate fell by half, IBC would count roughly half the number of deaths per day.
It is worth noting that, to the extent that the English-language media covers less of the violence in Iraq over time – if they are progressively less capable of receiving accurate reports from outside the Green Zone or certain sectors of Baghdad, for example – then to that extent, the violent death rate derived from IBC will be lower than the actual death rate that would be picked up by a scientific, statistical survey. This would tend to make the Just Foreign Policy Estimate lower.
This actually seems to have been the case from 2004 to 2006. In September 2004, the scientific estimate from the Lancet was about 9 times the IBC death estimate. By July 2006, the Lancet estimate was about 12 times the IBC death estimate, suggesting that IBC was picking up a smaller percentage of total deaths.
This combination of the IBC and the Lancet is not perfect, although we think it the best way of obtaining a rough estimate using existing tallies while awaiting another scientifically-based number. For example, the IBC, unlike the Lancet and the Just Foreign Policy Estimator, seeks to exclude “combatant” deaths from their tally. This could lead to differences between the IBC rate of increase and the actual rate of increase in overall Iraqi deaths, but it is not clear in which direction this difference goes.
Since our interest is simply in providing a rough estimate – rather than a scientifically accurate estimate – of current Iraqi deaths, we can accept the possible inaccuracies produced by combining the Lancet and IBC.




SoranJ -> RE: Iraqi Deaths Due to U.S. Invasion: 1,000,985 (8/26/2007 6:09:31 AM)

 
Saddam the murderer killed more people than 1 million and he killed more than 500000 kurds and that is more than what than what the Americans have killed. The Americans liberated you from him and you all complain about the 1 million people that died because of al qaida and sunni and shia terrorists.




Calm -> RE: Iraqi Deaths Due to U.S. Invasion: 1,000,985 (8/26/2007 8:59:32 AM)

I think you need your crap head examined.  1 million you idiot, 1 million....even if you hate arabs and you do, you should have heart, but obviously you have no heart, no brain, no education, no knowledge of anything, and you worse than a wild beast in your attitude.

go to hell




tigris81 -> RE: Iraqi Deaths Due to U.S. Invasion: 1,000,985 (8/27/2007 8:52:33 AM)

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ORIGINAL: jukka
Gimme a break! Due to U.S. invasion? Im guessing 95% of the casualties is caused by iraqis and al-qaida/foreign fighters themselves. Bombings, sectarian killings, death squads etc.. [&:]

I suggest you take a good look at the replies you received in response to your comments above and register them through your skull and then register them through the skull of your war monger friends.
Look at it this way: the USA and its allies opened a heaviliy protected and tighly sealed bottle (Iraq) by force and they did not close the lid. Their failure to close the lid of that bottle led to bacteria (terrorists, death-squads, etc) entering the bottle and contaminating its features. Do you get the picture now?

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Does it make any sense to drill holes to the boat if the boat is sinking? [8|]

Its only the first hole that counts and that leads to more holes and that first hole was drilled by those that you love and support (not I need to mention who they are).








sadiq2006 -> RE: Iraqi Deaths Due to U.S. Invasion: 1,000,985 (8/27/2007 8:03:16 PM)

soranj
 
will you please stop, your comments are like children you do not know any of the facts about your kurdish black history and about your (papa) masood monkey and that dumb fat loser (mama) jalal talibani and his discusting ruling god you kurds make me sick.
 
get a life will you for once.[:@][:@][:@]   




Lion of Babylon -> RE: Iraqi Deaths Due to U.S. Invasion: 1,000,985 (8/28/2007 12:04:38 PM)

This goes to the idiot posting these stupid anti arab/Iraqi posts. Kurdistan is now being squeezed in by Iran and Turkey. Time for you to take a long look at how screwed your future really is. The Yanks anit gonna come to your rescue this time. Good luck! your gonna need it. 

Iranian Mortars Bombard Kurds in Iraq
Maliki Demands Iran Explain Recent Attacks, Refrain From More

An onslaught of artillery fell on northern Iraqi villages Monday, beginning a second week of bombardment just as Prime Minister Maliki reportedly had an official note of protest delivered to the Iranian embassy in Baghdad, demanding clarification for the reasons behind the attacks. The spike in border activity began last week with helicopters dropping leaflets over border villages, warning locals to leave the area or face Iranian attack. The leaflets were printed in Kurdish, with the words "The Islamic Republic of Iran" across the top and bottom.

Tehren blames Iraq for sheltering Kurdish fighters who train in Kurdistan to attack across the border inside Iran--tensions that occasionally escalate into mini-flares of cross-border activity. Iran has denied dropping the leaflets, but Kurdish media has reported repeated Iranian shelling throughout the past week.
Iran's foreign ministry spokesman said Monday that the government was looking into the reports, but questioned their accuracy. "Validity of the news is under scrutiny. But what we are witnessing is that insecurity in Iraq has made Iran's border provinces insecure for several times," Mohammad-Ali Hosseini said. Though Hosseini did not confirm reports of the attacks, he did appear to deliberately justify them, saying, “The terrorists and drug smugglers are still active in the border areas. Many weapons have been imported to Iran and many Iranian policemen have sacrificed their lives fighting against terrorists and drug smugglers on the Iran-Iraq border.”

Turkey has occasionally launched its own volley of mortars into northern Iraq, and Turkish foreign minister Abdullah Gul voiced support for Iran's reported offensive last week.

"Unfortunately, terrorists have the ability to operate in Iraq's north due to a power vacuum in Iraq," Gül said, adding "Every country has the right to defend its borders and take legitimate measures for its own security."

Prime Minister Maliki, who recently visited both countries and made strengthening ties and improving security cooperation a major focus of his regional diplomacy efforts, struck back at his neighbors on Monday. Maliki informed a press conference: "The bombardments by Iran and Turkey are violations of Iraq's sovereignty. We will not allow these violations, but this must come through diplomatic channels."
Maliki said Iraq's foreign ministry would "ask the two countries to refrain from these actions."




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