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Calm -> Mosul Dam is at a breaking point (8/13/2007 2:11:36 AM)









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السد بني على نهر دجلة في الموصل
كشفت صحيفة الاندبندنت البريطانية عما سمته "خطر كارثة" اذا انهار سد الموصل المبني على نهر دجلة في شمال العراق.
ونقل مراسل الصحيفة في الموصل باتريك كوكبورن تخوف السلطات من انهيار هذا السد الذي بني في عهد الرئيس الراحل صدام حسين بين عامي 1980 و 1984.
وحذر أحد كبار المسؤولين في منظمة غوث، إن السد على وشك الانهيار في أي دقيقة وان انهياره قد يؤدي الى تدمير 70 بالمئة من مدينة الموصل، ثالث اكبر مدينة في العراق والتي يبلغ عدد سكانها نحو مليون و 700 الف نسمة، كما يمكن ان يلحق الاضرار على مسافة تمتد الى 190 ميلا.
ويقول كوكبرن في تحقيقه ان سد الموصل لطالما اعتبر في حالة خطرة بسبب نوعية التربة في المنطقة.
ويقول فنيون امريكيون في هذا المجال ان الخطر الكبير ينتج عن انحلال المواد التي استعملت في بناء السد. 8 مليار متر مكعب
وينقل كوكبرن عن مصدر آخر قوله ان السد الذي يحتوي على 8 مليار متر مكعب من المياه والذي يعتبر خزان المياه الاكبر في العراق يواجه الآن خطرا كبيرا بالانهيار، وان هذا الخطر سيزداد بشكل تصاعدي مع مرور الوقت.
وتحاول وزارة الموارد المائية بمساعدة امريكية العمل على احتواء حالة التدهور الذي يعاني منها السد.
ويقوم الفنيون الامريكيون بمراقبة دقيقة لوتيرة تدهور حالة السد واتخاذ تدابير لمنع هذا التدهور. الا ان هذا الامر يبدو بغاية الصعوبة حسبما ينقل كوكبرن عن السفارة الامريكية في العراق والتي قالت انه "بسبب تدهور حالة اساسات سد الموصل واستحالة اصلاحها فلا يمكن تأمين حماية هذا السد من انهيار كارثي".
الا ان المحاولات لم تتوقف اذ تقوم فرق فنية بضخ الاسمنت السائل باستمرار داخل اساسات السد كي لا ينهار، وذلك على الرغم من صدور دراسة امريكية في هذا الخصوص تفيد بان هذه التقنية لا تضمن عدم الانهيار لكنها بالتأكيد تؤخره.
يذكر ان ضعف السد ظهرت بعد وقت قليل فقط من بنائه في ثمانينيات القرن الماضي ولطالما حاولت وزارة الموارد المائية العراقية ومنذ ذلك الحين معالجة حالة الضعف والانحلال التدريجي الذي يعاني منه سد الموصل.
 
 
For those who can't read Arabic.  The water dam in Mosul the third city in Iraq with 1.7 million, is under threat of breaking.  It was built during the 80's, but the materials they have used then is crumbling.
 
In other words, no matter where the Iraqi people look, they are faced with death.  I wonder how quickly our government will move, that is if they really care.




YellowSunshine -> RE: Mosul Dam is at a breaking point (8/13/2007 10:11:34 AM)

[:@], disgusting...  Let's pray there isn't a Katrina incident of sorts there.  What next.

The US is now alledgedly investigating our crumbling bridges after incidents have happended recently.  I should hope/pray the Iraqi Gov't should care about it's citizens also.






SoranJ -> RE: Mosul Dam is at a breaking point (8/13/2007 11:58:53 AM)

That dam belongs to kurdistan and it is not their fault if it is breaking because saddam built it




Calm -> RE: Mosul Dam is at a breaking point (8/13/2007 1:30:06 PM)

Since when?  You need serious mental health check.




saifali -> RE: Mosul Dam is at a breaking point (8/13/2007 5:59:34 PM)

الاخ كالم
لا تصدق كل ما يقال ان المبالغات اصبحت اليوم حدث ولا حرج فالسد بخير ولم ينفجر الا اذا اراد الاكراد الانتقام من الموصل





YellowSunshine -> RE: Mosul Dam is at a breaking point (8/13/2007 9:45:59 PM)

Sorjan, perhaps I am missing something, Saddam has been executed has he not?  Unless it was one of his doubles?  May I ask why this is in your posts?
I do understand if you don't wish to address me as I do respect that men in the Middle East may not feel it is proper to discuss these issues with an American woman and no insult from anyone that feels that way will be taken.






Lion of Babylon -> RE: Mosul Dam is at a breaking point (8/13/2007 9:55:10 PM)

YS, dont bother with this guy. Hi isn't interested in discussing anything worthwhile with the rest of the members and his only purpose for posting on this forum is to provoke and annoy, nothing more.




Lion of Babylon -> RE: Mosul Dam is at a breaking point (8/13/2007 9:59:33 PM)

Zoba dude. Not sure if Saif has his facts right (I hope he does) but here is a further report about the dam.

Mosul Dam on Brink of Breach?Catastrophic Flood Could Put 70% of Mosul Underwater The marls, soluble gypsum, anhydrite, and karstic limestone providing the foundation for the largest dam in Iraq are eroding at a rapid pace, raising the terrifying prospect that the Mosul Dam could give way, drowning the surrounding area and lands to the south.  
"It could go at any minute," a senior aid worker who has knowledge of the struggle by US and Iraqi engineers to save the dam told the UK Independent. "The potential for disaster is very great."

Flood waters resulting from a dam breach could destroy 70 percent of Mosul and inflict heavy damage 190 miles downstream along the Tigris. The humanitarian disaster that would result represents a nightmare scenario for the Iraqi and US government, as lack of disaster-response capability would make search and rescue extremely difficult. In 2003, experts from the Corps of Engineers laid out a scenario equal to a decent disaster movie and one that may evoke memories of Hurricane Katrina:

"(Collapse of the Mosul Dam) would set in motion a cascade of catastrophe, unleashing as much as 12.5 billion cu m of water pooled behind the 3.2-km-long earth-filled impoundment thundering down the Tigris River Valley toward Mosul, the second largest city in Iraq. The wave behind the 110-m-high crest would take about two hours to reach the city of 1.7 million."




Patrick Cockburn writes for the Independent:

The state of the two-mile long earthfill dam, which holds back some eight billion cubic metres of water in Iraq's largest reservoir, has recently been deteriorating at ever-increasing speed. According to one source, the chance of a total and immediate failure of the dam is now believed to be "reasonably high" at current water levels and "most certain" within the next few years. The effort to prevent the collapse of the dam is overseen by the Iraqi Ministry of Water Resources. The US Army Corps of Engineers has made continual efforts to monitor the deterioration and undertake remedial action. But a US report, obtained separately from the embassy statement, says that "due to fundamental and irreversible flaws existing in the dam's foundation, the US Army Corps of Engineers believes that the safety of the Mosul Dam against a potential catastrophic failure cannot be guaranteed".


The US State Department advertises that it supplies the Iraqi government with $20 million dollars worth of grouting equipment for the Mosul dam through the Iraq Relief and Reconstruction Fund. But grouting the dam can only provide temporary relief, and does nothing to reconstruct the failing infrastructure that threatens to turns large swaths of Iraqi land into a watery graveyard.

Though the US maintains the Iraqi government holds responsibility for the dam, its failure would most certainly be blamed on both. Making a serious commitment to secure the Mosul Dam appears the only way to ensure the city--one rare beacon of semi-stability in the country--does not become a disaster area.




Calm -> RE: Mosul Dam is at a breaking point (8/14/2007 5:11:10 AM)

To Saifali

dear friend, the material that was used in building the dam is of a poor quality, therefore the dam will collapse, or breakup and not because of bombs.

The whole idea of this posting is that while everyone is busy fighting, opr stopping the fighting, farting with politics, or playing around with it, the problems we have in the country is far deeper.  For almost 30 yrs, many projects have been shelved, many were left unfinished, and many more have not been maintained.  I believe rebuilding Iraq will take 10's of years, and 10's of yrs of hardship, hardwork and tolerance.  My god help them all.




tigris81 -> RE: Mosul Dam is at a breaking point (8/14/2007 7:10:07 AM)

 
Very worrying indeed and it doesnt suprise me that the media (Western and Iraqi media) are not covering this because the inability of the puppet government and the coalition forces engineers to repair it is a sign of weakness in the reconstruction of post-Saddam Iraq.





tigris81 -> RE: Mosul Dam is at a breaking point (8/14/2007 7:21:45 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SoranJ
That dam belongs to kurdistan and it is not their fault if it is breaking because saddam built it


We'll see about who's fault it is. If the Iraqis and in particular the Arabs, Assyrians, Turkmens, and Kurds (the real Iraqi ones) of Mosul find that the Kurdish militias and parties were behind any plot on the Mosul Dam, then you will be the first to be fed to the Turkish army outside Iraqi territory.

For your info, we know Saddam wasn't a nice guy but he built and rebuilt alot of infrastructure that exists today in the north including the so-called Kurdistan parliament building and the headquarters of the KDP in Dahok and Erbil, and the Dokan resort.  




tigris81 -> RE: Mosul Dam is at a breaking point (8/14/2007 7:34:47 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: YellowSunshine
Sorjan, perhaps I am missing something, Saddam has been executed has he not?  Unless it was one of his doubles?  May I ask why this is in your posts?
I do understand if you don't wish to address me as I do respect that men in the Middle East may not feel it is proper to discuss these issues with an American woman and no insult from anyone that feels that way will be taken.


Hi Yellow,

People like SoranJ tend to live in their own world. They tend to never be satisfied and highly demanding, as can be seen by SoranJ's political heroes in the Iraqi parliament.  If you lend them a finger, they will take the whole hand.  
If SoranJ doesnt see Saddam's dead body infront of him and crush the body and skulls and chew on the bones and hair, then he wont be satisfied and would consider Saddam still alive.

Perhaps that might explain it.




sadiq2006 -> RE: Mosul Dam is at a breaking point (8/14/2007 10:50:52 AM)

yellowsunshine
 
people like soranj and the rest of the kurds who are naive like him want to live an isolated land like that they call the (discusting and stupid kurdistan that never appeared or excisted in the face of the earth) or in any history just to make diversion and problems for the middle east so america and israel can divide more and more of iraq like they did before 80 years ago at the time of sikis biko agreement and to make confusion. 
 
and then just when america and israel fulfill their evil and naive ambitions they will kick out the kurds like they did with saddam hussain like before. 
 
this is the plan of america and israel just using the kurds as a weapon tools like the kurds they have been in the past cultures and then throw them away this is the history of the kurds.      




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