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Why Masghoof?? - 7/11/2007 5:21:52 AM
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FlyByBaghdad
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Why Masghoof??????
Could the attendants of this precious forum discuss things of more importance than the possible banning of Masghoof? Things like the 140,000 strong army on the Iraqi northern boarders, and what kind of implications any invasion from the north would have on Iraq? Me in person and I thing my view would be shared by many educated and decent Iraqi people, would prefer not to consume a fish living and breeding in an environment which is full of Decomposing Human Corpses. This ban would be temporary due to the difficulties facing Iraq and I think that there is no problem consuming artificially produced fish through Aquaculture farms. It is very sad and sometimes amusing to see how people try to show their expertise with respect to the Iraqi affairs in the safety of Protected Area’s, I think if the writer of that article in the Sunday times would have spent an hour of his time on the banks of Tigris River watching and counting, he would have had more understanding of the roots behind this ban. WiTh ReGaRdS
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RE: Why Masghoof?? - 7/11/2007 6:13:29 AM
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Ahhh, some fresh blood. Welcome to the forum. Actually we weren't only discussing the reasons behind the banning of Masgoof. It was the fact that the Ministry of Health should be responsible for issuing statements of this nature and not the Mullahs who appear to think they need to issue fatwas for anything and everything. Of course no one wants to eat fish that has fed on human remains but there is a flip side to this argument. Not everyone can afford to buy fish which has been artificially farmed. Many Iraqis catch their own fish and as things stand there will be a large number of fisherman out of work due to this Fatwah. So this is a matter of choice and necessity. Does a man who fishes to feed his family need to be told it is haram to eat fish from Dijla or Furat? Why don't these Mullahs issue a Fatwah against killing humans and dumping their remains in the river?
PS: You can also view a report regarding the 140,000 troops amassing on the borders in the thread KURDISTAN NEXT. Feel free add your opinion and comments.
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RE: Why Masghoof?? - 7/12/2007 5:41:25 AM
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Thanks for clearing that issue, but the ministry of health is lost in the space of counting and removing dead bodies from the streets of Baghdad, also facing the incoming challenges due to seasonal diseases, The Mullahs are part of the Iraqi Society whether you like it or dislike it and as the country in general, is facing more Dire challenges on daily basis, there is no shame in some people taking responsibilities to guide people in their daily affairs. Wouldn’t you agree!!!!!
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RE: Why Masghoof?? - 7/12/2007 10:03:50 AM
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The Mullahs are part of the Iraqi Society whether you like it or dislike it and as the country in general, is facing more Dire challenges on daily basis, there is no shame in some people taking responsibilities to guide people in their daily affairs. Wouldn’t you agree!!!!!
The only thing I agree on is that the mullahs are a part of the society, what I don’t agree on is that now they are trying to be the sole ruling entity for the society by acting as Gods. If they really care for the health of the public, the first thing they should do is disband their militias and stop killing innocent civilians.
Now. Regarding the “Masgoof” those turban heads did not have to issue a “Fatwa” for it; they could very well warn people of the health hazards associated with it, and I think Iraqis are intelligent enough to figure out the dangers by themselves. However, if those people are at a high degree of stupidity that they need “Fatwa”s to take care of their health, then I am really ashamed of being an Iraqi .
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RE: Why Masghoof?? - 7/12/2007 10:18:37 PM
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Thanks for clearing that issue, but the ministry of health is lost in the space of counting and removing dead bodies from the streets of Baghdad, also facing the incoming challenges due to seasonal diseases
Dude, I appreciate the fact that the Ministry of Health is overloaded but we are living in the modern age of communication. There are numerous Iraqi TV channels as well as radio and newspapers available to the Ministry to issue basic health guidelines to the public. It really doesn't take that much time or effort to draw up a list and make the announcement via any of these media outlets. Why on earth do we need to rely on religious entities to issue fatwas for such matters? All this does is undermine the Health Ministry and shows that the Mullahs are running the show. Lets not forget that the Ministry is run by the most unqualified Mullah of all, our retarded friend Muqtada Al Sadr. Mullahs should stick to religious issues and stop meddling in affairs of the state.
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I think Iraqis are intelligent enough to figure out the dangers by themselves.
Exactly!!
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RE: Why Masghoof?? - 7/13/2007 12:05:59 PM
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Could the attendants of this precious forum discuss things of more importance than the possible banning of Masghoof?
Could the right honourable gentleman explain why he chose this particular thread to make his point? Its not as if its the sole subject matter under discussion on the forum. Or does he have a personal aversion to mazgoof? 
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RE: Why Masghoof?? - 7/13/2007 1:45:00 PM
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Dear Gentlemen J in a country were there are TV satellite channels and no electricity, people who still live under huts made of bamboos in the southern parts of Iraq, and illiteracy is high due to 35 years of systematic destruction of academic institutions, wars, Sanctions which massacred 1.5 Million Iraqis, especially the ban of pencil export :) by the west during the sanctions, produced a country which is thirsty for (knowledge). The selection of this topic i.e. Masghoof was not done by me, in fact I was commenting on a thread posted by (((a gentlemen))). Still I see a complete lack of knowledge to what’s going on in Iraq by some ((gentlemen)) inside this forum, you assume perfect conditions of ideal communication methods and a population capable of accessing those methods and the case for Iraq now is far from ideal. With respect to the ((gentlemen)) who claims that all Mullah’s have Militia’s in Iraq, I would say :) could you please name one person on the Iraqi political arena who is not leading a Militia, ((all)) major political players domestic and foreign without exception have Militia’s in Iraq. Long live united Iraq, in land and people for Eternity. :) :) :)
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RE: Why Masghoof?? - 7/13/2007 10:54:46 PM
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Dear Gentlemen J in a country were there are TV satellite channels and no electricity, people who still live under huts made of bamboos in the southern parts of Iraq, and illiteracy is high due to 35 years of systematic destruction of academic institutions, wars, Sanctions which massacred 1.5 Million Iraqis
Most Iraqis now have small gen sets which they use to run basics like TV sets and Sat receivers. When they run out of petrol there is always radio, if not radio then there is word of mouth. Do you think a fatwa is required in this case?
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especially the ban of pencil export
The pencil ban is a bit of an urban myth. The UN never banned pencils during sanctions but they did refuse to approve orders that were considered 'excessively large'. All the education packs imported by Iraq during the sanctions contained pencils as part of the set. Throughout the sanction everyone could buy pencils. Not sure where you are going with this one?
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you assume perfect conditions of ideal communication methods and a population capable of accessing those methods and the case for Iraq now is far from ideal.
Nobody is assuming anything of the sort. Everyone knows the situation in Iraq is dire on all fronts. If you take the time to read previous threads then you would know this. We are talking about fatwas being released on matters that do not require fatwas. If the Mullahs want to help they can simply advise their followers to not eat the fish during Friday prayers and outline the reasons to those who are non literate. Why do they need to issue grandiose fatwas for such simple, obvious issues?
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could you please name one person on the Iraqi political arena who is not leading a Militia, ((all)) major political players domestic and foreign without exception have Militia’s in Iraq. Long live united Iraq, in land and people for Eternity.
The National Accord for one has always advocated the disbanding of Militias. Unless you count bodyguards as Militias, then as you said every political party has those. I would appreciate it if you could clarify what you mean by domestic and foreign political players?
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RE: Why Masghoof?? - 7/14/2007 6:23:18 AM
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In your comment you state that most Iraqis have gensets to watch satellite and further more there is the Radio , Most , how many?????????, well you did not answer the question with respect to people who live in the south and believe nothing except Religious leaders, the Friday prayer is attended by how many people??? And the portion attended would make how much in percentage, of the Iraqi community????. And it is always the case for people use the elastic means to distort words, like the word not good means differently for different people; hence a red line by a known figure will put an end to all speculations. With respect to pencils, do you have any accurate numbers with respect to the students who received the so called UN packs???????? UK charities (no names) worked extremely hard in order to send necessary educational stationeries that are including pencils, but they never passed the embargo. And with respect to your last comment, well, I think I have been clear enough. ReGaRdS
Religion + Politics = well hmmm I have to think about that.
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RE: Why Masghoof?? - 7/14/2007 7:32:55 AM
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In your comment you state that most Iraqis have gensets to watch satellite and further more there is the Radio , Most , how many?????????
Are you seriously asking me to estimate how many people have radios and TV’s in Iraq? How many had them before when Sadoomi was in power? This line of questioning won’t get us anywhere. In the past we had 2 local TV channels, how many do we have now? How many newspapers did we have then and how many do we have now? In this field (access to free press and media) Iraqis have more choice than ever before. All you need to do is stand on a roof in Baghdad or any other major city in Iraq to see how many people have Satellites now.
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well you did not answer the question with respect to people who live in the south and believe nothing except Religious leaders, the Friday prayer is attended by how many people??? And the portion attended would make how much in percentage, of the Iraqi community????
According to you these hut dwellers are completely cut off from the rest of Iraq and therefore don’t have access to anything then how would you expect them to hear about the fatwa in the first place? I don’t see what you are getting at here. They would be just as likely to hear a government health warning broadcast on Radio or TV.
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And the portion attended would make how much in percentage, of the Iraqi community????
Again if they don’t hear about it in the mosque then they would hear about it on one of the many media outlets available to them. A Chinese radio in Baghdad costs $5.
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And it is always the case for people use the elastic means to distort words, like the word not good means differently for different people; hence a red line by a known figure will put an end to all speculations.
Perhaps if the Ministry of health issued a statement backed by medical experts it would be enough to end any open ended speculation. We are not talking about a complicated issue here. The fish are eating dead people = bad. Again no need for a fatwa to back this up unless the Mullas have ulterior motives, such as undermining the government.
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With respect to pencils, do you have any accurate numbers with respect to the students who received the so called UN packs???????? UK charities (no names) worked extremely hard in order to send necessary educational stationeries that are including pencils, but they never passed the embargo.
Again you are asking for figures without presenting any of your own. The UN packs I’m speaking of where paid for by the Iraqi government under the food for Oil program. Saddam’s cronies made their profit margins on everything including simple items such as these. So if they didn’t end up in the class rooms they most certainly could be found on the black market. You are talking about the anti sanction groups who tried to send donations and the like. The UN had nothing to do with these. I’ll try to dig up some facts for you.
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And with respect to your last comment, well, I think I have been clear enough.
Actualy no you haven’t. When reffering to foreign political players you could be referring to Alawi, Chalabi, Jafari who all returned to Iraq after living in exile for decades with foreign backing. Or you could be referring to the US, UK and other foreign entities who have a large say in what is happening in Iraq. It depends on your perspective. So which is it?
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Religion + Politics = well hmmm I have to think about that.
Whats to think about?
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RE: Why Masghoof?? - 7/14/2007 8:42:07 AM
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Dear Azi, whether you like it or I dislike it, religious figures are simply a fact in modern day Iraq, with a country of 65% Shi3a who are totally dependent on their religious figures, further more even Sunni Iraqis to some extent are dependant on religious figures, having a secular view is not bad but forcing them on other people will put the name of Democracy under a serious question. For centuries people in Iraq were dependant on the Clergy and we can not change this dependence now, In Africa Aids is in a Pandemic state while still the Catholic Church ban the use of plastics there, the scientific argument proves is that the use of plastic will save your life but strange enough people still follow. Religion is a necessity in the life of every human being, and spirituality is needed just as you need food, sex, sleep etc.., and spirituality is the only distinguishing factor between human beings and animals. With respect to the seriousness of the percentage, well, yes I am serious, figures like 655,000 by Christian science monitor, or 1.5 Million Iraqis dead because of the sanction, or figures with respect to the amount of DU shells used in Iraq and what kind of implications did it have/ and will have, on normal Iraqi civilians for years to come, and the list could go on forever,i.e   you could spend a couple of hours researching these topics. You are criticizing the interference of Clergy in the daily lives of ordinary Iraqis, but for me as a normal citizen listening to somebody I know, is better than listening to somebody who is a complete alien entity to my culture and country. With respect to your final question I would advice on drawing a map of the power houses in Iraq or a simple list, and also all the major players and start investigating all of them carefully. I intentionally don’t want to name anybody leaving you and the rest of the readers to place the jigsaw in its right order to find the true picture. Mohammad (peace be upon him) was a great prophet while he was a great leader as well, hence , I will have some reservations on your last statement. ReGaRdS
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RE: Why Masghoof?? - 7/14/2007 11:56:10 AM
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Hi FBB. Thanks for clarifying your position. I'll address your comments one by one so as not to miss anything along the way.
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Dear Azi, whether you like it or I dislike it, religious figures are simply a fact in modern day Iraq, with a country of 65% Shi3a who are totally dependent on their religious figures, further more even Sunni Iraqis to some extent are dependant on religious figures, having a secular view is not bad but forcing them on other people will put the name of Democracy under a serious question.
OK, fair enough. Let’s take this as a starting point. If forcing secularism on a people is wrong and hinders the progress of democracy then the same argument can be applied to taking religious indoctrination and forcing it on others. This also makes a mockery of democracy. Choosing the right party or leader should again be a personal issue and in order to make the right choice citizens should be aware of their chosen parties policies and agendas. What happened in Iraq was that people divided their choices along religious lines rather than political ones. Many of the voters couldn’t/can’t read or write and followed the advice of their local religious parties/clerics before casting their vote. They knew nothing about whom or what they were voting for. Like it or not religion and politics represent two different worlds, two different kinds of power. History clearly demonstrates that when governments try to mix politics with religion, people's individual rights are trampled upon and religion loses all credibility. Religions such as Islam and Catholicism are absolute in their structure and leave little or no room for progress based on changing times. I would like to see an Iraq led along secular lines, respecting each individual’s right to worship as they choose. At the risk of upsetting the more zealous amongst us, I include atheism, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism in the mix. Most clerics would like to convince us that we shouldn't be worried about mixing religion and politics (which, of course, always really means their religion and politics). The problem is they are unable to articulate why such mixing is a good thing. They can't even fairly and accurately describe what the opposing arguments are. If you believe that the Koran or Bible provide answers to political questions, the problem isn't whether that is rational or not (there are plenty of non-religious ideologies that are irrational). The problem is the fact that these beliefs are based on the notion that these books are a revelation from God. If you follow them to the letter then you prevent yourself from recognizing other choices and possibilities that are available to you because of their absolutism. I could go on but I hope you get my drift.
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For centuries people in Iraq were dependant on the Clergy and we can not change this dependence now, In Africa Aids is in a Pandemic state while still the Catholic Church ban the use of plastics there, the scientific argument proves is that the use of plastic will save your life but strange enough people still follow.
As I have already said, the Catholic Church is no better when it comes to advising people on how to live in modern society. New diseases and their prevention are being hindered by doctrines written centuries ago. Medical science has led us to these conclusions and not religion. Look at Italy as an example. The great majority of the country are Catholic but the church is not allowed to interfer with political issues. Their position is respedcted but in an advisory capacity and for spiritual matters only. Sometimes the two cant be seperated but in most cases they can.
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Religion is a necessity in the life of every human being, and spirituality is needed just as you need food, sex, sleep etc.., and spirituality is the only distinguishing factor between human beings and animals.
You have conveniently omitted science, technology and art from the equation. These are the cornerstones for progress. Spirituality/religion is a personal choice and shouldn’t be forced on anyone. This is hardly the case in Iraq. What a man does in his own home and how he chooses to bring up his children is none of my business. But outside of that personal arena we need government to run affairs such as health, education, social services etc.
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With respect to the seriousness of the percentage, well, yes I am serious, figures like 655,000 by Christian science monitor, or 1.5 Million Iraqis dead because of the sanction, or figures with respect to the amount of DU shells used in Iraq and what kind of implications did it have/ and will have, on normal Iraqi civilians for years to come, and the list could go on forever,i.e you could spend a couple of hours researching these topics.
I’m glad you touched on this by quoting known resources which are scientifically based. These are figures which have been published and formally released are readily available for all to access whereas the figures and estimates you were asking me to quote are not. Incidentally you are now using a scientific argument to state your case and not a spiritual one.
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You are criticizing the interference of Clergy in the daily lives of ordinary Iraqis, but for me as a normal citizen listening to somebody I know, is better than listening to somebody who is a complete alien entity to my culture and country.
I hope you are not inferring that we are abnormal citizens? Which part of our culture are you referring to? Modern Iraq or ancient Iraq? When did you live in an Iraq that was run by religious leaders so that secularism is so unfamiliar to you?
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With respect to your final question I would advice on drawing a map of the power houses in Iraq or a simple list, and also all the major players and start investigating all of them carefully. I intentionally don’t want to name anybody leaving you and the rest of the readers to place the jigsaw in its right order to find the true picture.
Don’t worry, I've done this and made my choice based on studying the facts as I see them. If you feel you have it all worked out then feel free to share your conclusions with us. This will add weight to your argument and if it’s strong enough you might be able to convince me that I have it all wrong.
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Mohammad (peace be upon him) was a great prophet while he was a great leader as well, hence , I will have some reservations on your last statement.
So he was but with the greatest of respect there aren’t many Mohammad's putting them selves up for election.
All the best to you and yours.
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RE: Why Masghoof?? - 7/15/2007 12:40:43 PM
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Dear Azinorum, yes I do agree with some parts of your statement, as a secular type of government would be ideal for a country like Iraq, but for normal Iraqis who are as you say, led by religious figures, these people have an extremely bad memories of secular governments, The Ba3ath was secular, , also assuming that the claim that every Iraqi has a GenSet and a satellite receiver, that he could tune to, watching the secular government in Tunisia forcibly removing Hijab from women and arresting people who choose to grow a small beard or in Turkey which could be assumed to be the leader of secularism in the Muslim world or….., to be frank, for the normal Muslim people the consequences were disastrous, in one of your comments you stated that the Iraqi people are not ready for democracy and democracy has to be earned and cherished, will ,, I do agree with this but do you think that the Iraqi people were given the chance to earn it????? I want you look on the past 500 years of the history of Iraq and see whether the people of Iraq were given this opportunity to have a say in their lives. To ease up the issue for you there was the Turks who ruled with an iron fist for 400 years, and then the British, and then the Americans. I think, who ever took the driving position in Iraq followed five main objectives; 1) Divide, Destabilize and conquer 2)Demoralisation of the population 3) Keep the population illiterate 4) Keep them poor, scared, and vulnerable 5) keep them engaged and busy in life’s daily requirements – like no petrol, no electricity , no security ……. Considering each one of these topic you will see that these methods have been used extensively over and over in Iraq to come to a single conclusion that the target is mainly the people of Iraq, and in case where the people are educated and wealthy (Iraq in 1979 had an economy equivalent to countries like Portugal and Spain – at that time), or indeed the mentioned objectives are not present in the society the government will achieve those objective by 1) creating a rally point (like the University of Al Mustanseria incident- 1980) and use it as a pre text to invade another country, once this has been done the final ingredients will added by creating the notion of Friends and Foe’s in order to reach these five objectives, and then you have to congratulate your self for achieving a fully functional dictatorship. The true problem which makes the people speak is independence (they don’t want to be slaves), and also the nature of human being, which makes them stand in defence for their existence once their existence is under threat. On the other hand overpowered people who are struggling under harsh conditions which they see, are forced against them by an outsider (which might be domestic, regional, or indeed foreign entities – no names), they see no salvation or a way out except Islam and here we come another point which you have to understand; I separate between Islam and Muslims, Islam is great by all means, Democracy, welfare etc; was created, named and practised by Islam long before the establishment of democracy by the west. But unfortunately there in no much of truly practising Muslims, hence religion is politics and at the heart of that politics, is Islam, and that is one of main points which make people in the west think!!. Islam is the only way or method which gives the long wanted independence and democracy and self-rule and the only method which empower the ordinary overpowered people to say NO. During the 1920 uprising in Iraq, it was the religious leaders who initiated the first sparks for that uprising, and for the hopeless people this fact was seen as an attempt by the religious leaders to rid the people of their tormentors, the victory resulted by this act did open a huge power base for the clergy between ordinary people, whereas for the occupiers and later on dictators, too much power base in the hands of few people i.e. clergy is dangerous hence it has to be dealt with. This in principle could be achieved through propaganda; character assassination, and smear campaign, exile, and sometimes neutralization i.e murder, examples could be seen all over the history of Iraq. Considering a normal person who is living in the suburbs of let’s say Baghdad, he sees lot’s of European flags with a cross on them, he sees the cross given in medals of honour, (especially the cross of Malta) to war heroes (U do agree that behind wars could be a hidden political or religious agendas and as you do agree a cross is a religious symbol) , or as a heading or embedded in numerous political symbols, this will make him think, that in ((true life)) in the west, state and religion do share some aspects with each other , in fact this is a complete paradox with the advocated concept of the secularism in the west. Some presidents speak with god in their (rectangular) offices , and it is the almighty (lord) who is giving them the much needed guidance to (spread) values around the world. This also could be another form of the happy marriage between church and politics. With respect to culture, I do mean every thing and I don’t exclude neither art nor science not even the way that we eat Pacha or make Dulma in Iraq, Culture means every thing how we greet each other, how we value family and honour etc. and I sincerely thought that I did not need to explain this. Scientifically speaking, assuming that you mean the lack scientific advances, yes I do agree that we stayed behind due to the obvious explained reasons, after giving the entire world the Scientific means for modern day advances, and I do not exclude any fields, In Fact it gives me a great pride an honour hand writing was first established in the Middle East, seeing the number PI was invented by the Babylonians and without the PI number you have NO circular structures or cylinders or maybe not even a submarine, the first wheel was invented in Iraq, the first divers using Oxygen were Iraqis, the first tank was built in Iraq, Al Gebra, is still an Arabic word no body was able of changing it J, physics is an Arabic word and also chemistry is also an Arabic word, or seeing the picture of Abu Ali Seena the great Muslim doctor embedded in the symbol of the school of pharmacy in one of the western countries, or Hammurabi code of conduct which could be considered the first civil law in the world, or etc. If you want I could go on for everJ, hence no power in the world could deny the fact or the influence of the old Middle East and the New in general on modern day scientific advances. Not to mention that neither Jesus or Moses were German citizens, and certainly Mohammed was not an Italian citizen, so we have to agree that the Middle East gave the world the true means or the foundation for modern day advances, that’s why Iraq is called the cradle of civilizations. Thankfully you have acknowledged the 655,000 figure by the Christian Science Monitor but you neither mentioned the 1.5 million people died during the sanctions nor the DU shells used in Iraq also I would like to add the Cluster ammunition was used as well. Also I think you do agree that the oil for food program and the UN rule was not, as it should have been. And also, I assume that you are suggesting that there are no scientific facts supporting these claims, Right???? A quick search in Google will clarify these aspects in the form of thousands of reputable institutes; in fact it astonishes me, that only you my dear friend who does not acknowledge these issues. These are facts not some kind of a joke!!!!!!! But it is the general attitude everywhere nowadays, which tends to silence any voice bringing the shameful past back to life. Dear Azinorum when was your last visit to Iraq???? I wish next time you pass through the south, especially, go and visit the marsh Arabs, and the Baddwin people, once you do that you will understand what I was talking about in my previous posts. Any ways we got as far as we could from Masghoof to discussing general history, politics and Iraqi social science. Religion + Politics = Doctrine or a way for life.
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RE: Why Masghoof?? - 7/15/2007 6:10:32 PM
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Azinorum, I MUST say, I just absolutely LOVE U! My friend u make my day! Always u have something & MORE intelligent to say!
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RE: Why Masghoof?? - 7/15/2007 6:33:05 PM
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"I think, who ever took the driving position in Iraq followed five main objectives; 1) Divide, Destabilize and conquer 2)Demoralisation of the population 3) Keep the population illiterate 4) Keep them poor, scared, and vulnerable 5) keep them engaged and busy in life’s daily requirements – like no petrol, no electricity , no security" FlyByBaghdad's quote above.
Perhaps similar or close is happening HERE in the LOVELY USA! Perhaps heading in this direction.
Thoughts on the Catholic Church (USED to belong to, Catholic School, etc.), this particular religion used to be in Latin, How many members ACTUALLY spoke Latin? Reading the Bible was also discouraged. Confession to a Priest is also a belief shared for forgiveness of sins. EXCUSE ME?
Dangers on taking Bible word for word, history must be understood when reading/understanding. Also (I KNOW) inspiration of the Holy Spirit is of utmost IMPORTANCE. Perhaps the Koran (sp?) is similar?
I would NOT want to be subjected politically to someones personal interpretation of the Bible. Unless they are a proven "Man" of God. Which again can be subjective.
This may/may not be off topic.
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RE: Why Masghoof?? - 7/16/2007 10:51:14 PM
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Lion of Babylon
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Dudes, this has gotta be the first time Iraqi fish got so political. Long live the united Mazgoof party of Iraq!
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RE: Why Masghoof?? - 7/17/2007 12:51:08 AM
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Calm
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Well LOB everyone got to belong to a parrty in Iraq these days. They call it
HUKIM KARAKOOSH.
Can you imagine have a government all from fish? Probably the best way to bring peace.
God help us the whole world gone mad, and you and me.
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RE: Why Masghoof?? - 7/17/2007 8:52:55 AM
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Harry
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quote:
ORIGINAL: Calm
Can you imagine have a government all from fish? Probably the best way to bring peace.
Haven’t anyone heard about the Iraqi axiom? “If you see two fish fighting underwater, you know that the British have something to do with it”.
I am afraid that the “Shabout” party and the “Carp” party  will form their own militias and start kidnapping and beheading fish underwater, and throwing them out on the land. Then there will be no fish left to fish by fishermen.
Am I just starting to sober out from last Friday night’s boozing?
< Message edited by Harry -- 7/17/2007 10:59:24 AM >
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RE: Why Masghoof?? - 7/17/2007 9:04:46 AM
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Harry
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What did I just tell you?
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RE: Why Masghoof?? - 7/17/2007 9:54:48 AM
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YellowSunshine
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Calm, yeppers, ALL gone Mad. What a bloody mess we have. hugs me
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RE: Why Masghoof?? - 7/17/2007 3:20:19 PM
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Calm
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I think its time to be serious.
Chop a spring onion, take a fillet of your favourite fish, and cover one side with tomato paste, salt pepper, your favourite curry powede, slices of tomatos and green pepper, lemon juice and lime juice, a sprinkle of olive oil, cover with foil and into the oven. Try it with rice and lots of salad.
This might bring the fish to behave themselves.
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RE: Why Masghoof?? - 7/17/2007 4:39:39 PM
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Harry
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Does anyone know the English word for شبوط ?
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RE: Why Masghoof?? - 7/17/2007 7:51:09 PM
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Calm
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yes i do
Shaboot
dohhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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