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FlyByBaghdad -> RE: Alawi might be back in power by Eid Al Fitir! (7/28/2007 4:23:20 AM)

Dear Lion of Babylon, thanks for your reply, I just want to clarify this matter that I don’t belong to any political establishment, and non of the Iraqi politicians represent me in person, I said once, there are too many cooks on the Iraqi political arena, one is trying to make an Omelette, the second is making BBQed chicken with tomato salad, and for this reason I would say that the resulted food from the Iraqi kitchen will be not suitable for Human consumption, with respect to the Sadrist they are just like the rest, a party with a agenda (Meal) which might be very salty indeed, they don’t satisfy my ambition with respect to future Iraq and please don’t jump to any conclusion, and will all due respect only ideologically bankrupted stupid people will do that, I have been dealing with this sort of stupid people for past six years. Foreign interference is destroying the country and people; by the way you forgot to mention surrounding neighbouring countries of Iraq, Iran, Turkey, Syria, and Saudi Arabia, interfering in Iraq due to the scary scenario called the new Middle East, which they see in Iraq as the starting point for achieving or redrawing the old map. On the other hand the west is having a vision of the drunken lunatics, a full control on weak, divided and poor nations gathered in a fragmented area called the New Middle East. Watch the map and I want you to be that Nationalist Turk sitting in Istanbul and entertaining the idea of the surrender of huge Turkish territory to new creation called Kurdistan, or the Iranian who sees half of his country taken to be added to a new entity Called the southern Shi3a state, or a Syrian who sees his entire boarder line with the Mediterranean is taken and added to Lebanon, or that Saudi who sees that his country will be chopped to pieces, or that Kuwaiti who faces the Shi3a Turbans  from the front and sea from the Back, after putting your self in their place what you will do??? The answer is, all in your power to derail the Iraqi project and who pays the ultimate price, yes the people of Iraq. On the other hand we have a fundamentalist president who thinks that god speaks to him through a special hotline and he is in that area fighting evil first, second to facilitate the resurrection of Jesus Christ (PBUH), third to materialise the prophecy of Ezekiel, No body is telling that Lunatic that your war does not concern us and if you want to fight it go and fight it somewhere else, and enough getting stoned as dope will generate a serious psychotic paranoid behaviour. The Iron fist which you talk about will not solve the problem it will just delay the process few years no more or maybe worsen the situation, hence I don’t think that it is a viable solution, Iraqis now at the end of the line a spring which has taken a shed load which either gives the reaction based on the load or break. The solution is very simple which could be summarized into the following points: 1-     Time table for the complete withdrawal of the foreign forces from Iraq. 2-     Arming and training the army and stress on the factor of arming more than anything. 3-     International Guarantees that the sovereignty of the neighbouring countries will be respected and Iraq will not be used to attack any neighbouring country. 4-     The full respect for territorial integrity and sovereignty of Iraq. 5-     No interference with the internal affairs of Iraq by any country or nation, this could be achieved through the united nation. 6-     If needed UN should take some of the burden, i.e. peacekeepers. 7-     The withdrawal of all NGO’s from Iraq company’s like Black Water (which is full of criminals, serial rapists, paedophiles), and any future contract or assignment should be given through strict rules and screening by the Iraqi government.   That is how you would solve some of the problems with respect to International aspects of the Iraqi problems, and then you come to sort out your house,                                                                                                                       1-     National reconciliation between Iraqi people, this will be achieved through the Sunni’s coming clean to the past, handing over all criminals associated with the last regime. (For example my uncle was executed in 1982 at the age 23, while he was in university, I would really want to know who killed him, this is true and valid for every single victim not only for me, but do you know what, I think they just cant hand in the whole of Tekrit, 3anaa, Rawaa, and half of Sameraa, who is going to be left from that sect, 10% more or less decent Sunni’s …/………., in former Yugoslavia the Serbs handed in their president to the international court of justice to be tried for crimes against humanity while we had to find the criminals one by one. Deba3thification is a very important process, once a Ba3thy always a ba3thy (that is including Alawi) , due to the Nazi fascist foundation of the party all high ranking and middle ranking officials should be totally excluded from any political activities, and should they do politics, then they will disappear and crushed through the Iron Fist.        2-     Sunni’s have to pray that the rest of Iraq, forget and forgive their past, and try to open a new chapter based on co existence, NO more sole grip on power, No more dreams of eternal rule of Sunnis of Iraq, the have to get over with the idea of the rule by the Majority. 3-     Unity for Iraq is the only way forward, even if it is through true federalism because I see that some parties have a misconception of what federalism truly means, whoever advocates the division is a western implant pushing an outside agenda, very easy to spot who they are nowadays, hence long live united Iraq. 4-     Expired and outdated Cards like Alawi will not solve any problem; just tell me what he wants to do??? Ex Ba3thy, Discredited western advocator who has shadowy links to the highest western intelligence circles, from a famous family well know for their freemasonry connections. Do you think that the people will accept him?? I don’t think so, although his name is widely advocated by a single party which I don’t want to name. 5-     Fast construction pace, rebuilding the country’s infrastructure, schools hospitals, pumping money into the economy creating jobs and showing the people that there are good achievements and there are significant changes to their lives. I really would like to see some change in the life of ordinary Iraqis in terms of ease of hardship. Hundreds of Million barrels of Iraqi oil will ensure that we will build a prosperous country with a future that is totally independent from oil, and ready to face the coming century.  This provided that whoever dares to dip a hand in that revenues for personal gains, i.e. to spend in trendy shops, will be made in two halves. On an occasion I saw Hazim AL Sha3laan, the ex defence Minster who stole Billions, in one of the trendy shops, with a driver driving a 2006 Roles Royse, with two body guards, there should be a process that leaches like him are brought to justice and treated harshly, this all happening when probably you could outfit a hospital a modern hospital with the price of that car, they should realize that the hands of Justice will reach them wherever they are, and they should be made a good example of whoever dares to do the same.       6-     Allocation of jobs based on qualification not through party divisions. 7-     I would like to remind the Iraqi politicians that there are huge responsibilities on their shoulders, to the next generations of Iraqis, they will be held accountable and judged accordingly, either as heroes or trash.           




Calm -> RE: Alawi might be back in power by Eid Al Fitir! (7/28/2007 6:01:08 AM)

Fly

Are you telling me that once you committed a crime, or a bad deed, then no matter what you do the rest of life you are still guilty?

We all did wrong things in our youth, life is an experience, we all loved a bit of power, it doesn't mean that we should be punished for the rest of our lives.  Have you ever stole something anything in you life, have you hit your brother or sister growing up, have you lied to anyone.  We simply can't live our lives feeling sorry for things we did years ago.




FlyByBaghdad -> RE: Alawi might be back in power by Eid Al Fitir! (7/28/2007 7:41:25 AM)

Apparently you did not get my point, my point is you should never get away without punishment, 35 years of Ba3thy rule of Iraq did not but to the total destruction of Iraq, and No, I did not steal anything, why should you be compared to people who did not join?? What did you commit exactly?? How many people you have sent to the other world?? You have to beg for mercy and me in person, I am not willing to neither forget no forgive, as the majority of Iraq, generally speaking, I think it is neither for me or you to decide whether Iyad Alawi is suitable to take office nor in fact any (one night stand product) sitting in the western hemisphere has the right to do so, it is for the (majority) (your so called idiots) of Iraq to decide, and a taste of their decision was given to Mr. Alawi in Najaf as you said. I deeply appreciate and applaud the introduction of the Deba3thification word in the English Literature. Get a taste of how does it feel like to be on the other side of the equation now we are the young party, do you feel it,[:)][:)][:)][:D]   Freemasons=Ba3thy=illuminati=Zionists=Salafi=Wahabi=single genders= Stinky Garbage   Long Live Freedom of speech, and long live Mahatma Ghandi    




FlyByBaghdad -> RE: Alawi might be back in power by Eid Al Fitir! (7/28/2007 8:00:40 AM)

You should always live with shame of what the ba3ath has done in Iraq, and take my advice in the so called New Iraq, Ba3theies should always look over their shoulders.




Calm -> RE: Alawi might be back in power by Eid Al Fitir! (7/28/2007 11:06:08 AM)

Good god, have you been checked for blood pressure.  I never ever said forget what the last regime did, how can when history already has been written,  and there isn't anyone in this world who hasn't committed a sin, we cannot move forward unless we put the past behind.  How many people you need to kill to satisfy your thirst for blood? Is killing the simple answer to peace? And which Allah or God asked for his creation to killed in his name? And whick Turbin is directly on friendly talk with god that he can issue fatwas left right and centre?  Give me a break.  The man is good for Iraq now, and tomorrow if he is given the chance to work.

My friend we are all guilty for destroying Iraq in one way or the other. 




FlyByBaghdad -> RE: Alawi might be back in power by Eid Al Fitir! (7/28/2007 12:03:18 PM)

Calm , as I said it is not for you to decide who rules, it is the people who are paying the ultimate price in the streets of Baghdad who have the right to decide who will rule them, an eye for an eye is the best rule which I take in my life. and as I see that we are going nowhere with this discussion, I reserve the right to not reply to any further comments. a simple rule a Ba3thy is a kind of a vermin inside the Iraqi society, hence you tell me how to deal with this vermin. Long live Freedom of speech, Micheal Aflaq was Garbage and all his followers are Garbage as well, long live Mahatma Ghandi




YellowSunshine -> RE: Alawi might be back in power by Eid Al Fitir! (7/28/2007 12:19:19 PM)

question, may get facts incorrect as hurry as usual... What about the US gov't arming many with guns, uniforms, neighborhoods?  to PROTECT themselves?  WHAT?  appears possibility for more DEATH 2 me?  anyone else read about this newbie?  the NEW poa?  250 or 205 have signed up.  VAT is going on hear folks?  anyone x to check details hear?




Lion of Babylon -> RE: Alawi might be back in power by Eid Al Fitir! (7/28/2007 10:20:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: FlyByBaghdad

Calm , as I said it is not for you to decide who rules, it is the people who are paying the ultimate price in the streets of Baghdad who have the right to decide who will rule them, an eye for an eye is the best rule which I take in my life. and as I see that we are going nowhere with this discussion, I reserve the right to not reply to any further comments. a simple rule a Ba3thy is a kind of a vermin inside the Iraqi society, hence you tell me how to deal with this vermin. Long live Freedom of speech, Micheal Aflaq was Garbage and all his followers are Garbage as well, long live Mahatma Ghandi


Dude....it is up to all Iraqis at home and abroad to decide who rules! Thats unless you want to discount all the doctors, engineers, lawyers and other proffesionals who currently reside outside of the country because they have in some way paid a price for staying in Iraq after the invasion. Do you also discount all those who fled Iraq because of the Baath Party? Look bro, your posts are very confusing because you contradict yourself once too often. How can you subscribe to the EYE FOR AN EYE philosophy and then say long live Mahatma Ghandi?? Is anyone else confused by this or am I missing something?

PS. If someone pays the ultimate price it means they are dead. Dead people cant vote!




FlyByBaghdad -> RE: Alawi might be back in power by Eid Al Fitir! (7/29/2007 3:38:56 AM)

LOB, your reply is clearly showing; lack of knowledge with respect to Iraqi issues, Iraqis Exiles are not concluded with people who left Iraq after the invasion, 35 years of tyranny produced a huge number of refugees and exiles, and guess what, nearly 90% of them are Shi3a, and with exception to the few, loyalty for shi3a is an Ultimate Goal, and I hope that you understand what I mean by that. Those doctors and engineers which you mention, do follow the same rule as well, I like to have a puzzling personality, this is the way which I have used here during the past six years, by the ends of this post and if you read all my posts you will never be able to construct a clear picture on the way I think. Regards   Long live freedom of speech, Long live Mahatma Ghandi   At the time of Universal deceit, tell the truth requires a Cracking Balls, (FlyByBaghdad)




sadiq2006 -> RE: Alawi might be back in power by Eid Al Fitir! (7/29/2007 5:50:38 PM)

i am sure 8 million iraqis are outside, 4 million from time of saddam and 4 million from time of the invation from 2003 till 2007.




Lion of Babylon -> RE: Alawi might be back in power by Eid Al Fitir! (7/30/2007 5:29:32 PM)

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Iraqis Exiles are not concluded with people who left Iraq after the invasion


Dude, would you like to rephrase that?

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35 years of tyranny produced a huge number of refugees and exiles, and guess what, nearly 90% of them are Shi3a


I don't think 90% is accurate but lets just go with the flow and assume that to be the case. Why do you constantly refer to Shia? I am Shia too but so what? Why has this become such an issue. Most arabs now ask "are you shia or sunna" but I never answer this question because the answer means nothing to me. I also think that if all Iraqis could forget about the shia/sunna issue then we wouldnt be in this mess.

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I like to have a puzzling personality, this is the way which I have used here during the past six years, by the ends of this post and if you read all my posts you will never be able to construct a clear picture on the way I think.


Whatever floats your boat bro. [:D] 




sadiq2006 -> RE: Alawi might be back in power by Eid Al Fitir! (7/31/2007 10:43:45 AM)

this issue between sunna and shia has become from the time from 1400 years ago from the death of prophet mohammed (peace be upon him) until now, the reason is that when he died some people said that abu baker should the leader of the islamic rule but some other muslims said no imam ali bin abi talib should be the leader of the islamic rule and because of this it a was and harted between the two sides until now with the silly islamic excuses and selfishness until now and hating the shia so much just because of silly reasons and they are :
 
1- because the shia killed imam hussain.
 
2- because the shia who are the ones make diffirences between the muslims and the arabs.
 
3- because the shia who are the ones who made everything wrong in islam.
 
4- because the shia loves imam ali and do not like prophet mohammed (peace be upon him).
 
5- because the shia have

another holy book of quran (the book of the words of allah the mighty god). 
 
and because of these silly stupid reasons and other also silly reasons, always the arabs will say blame the shia for everything can you imagine that who low the arabs can get and always (ask are you shia or sunna) and blamong the shia for everything for what happened in the past i cannot believe this.
 
why always blaming the shia for everything always why is that, i cannot understand this.      




FlyByBaghdad -> RE: Alawi might be back in power by Eid Al Fitir! (7/31/2007 1:19:52 PM)

Sadiq2006 Dude where you bring your facts from???????? [8|][8|][8|][8|][8|] First the shi3a did not kill Imam Hussien, but he was killed by Yazid Ibn Mo3aweia (May hell be his eternal place), Second Shi3a do not make differences between anybody , and shi3a people, are the true Arabs of Iraq, if you read history , especially in the time of Hajaj , you will find who are the shi3a, third, what are the wrong things that shi3a done in Islam?? We pray to the same Qibla and we have the same Quran and the same prophet (PBUH), so what are the wrong things that shi3a done please explain. Shi3a do love Imam Ali, but they think that Imam Ali is a branch of that eternal river of prophet Mohammad (PBUH), so please do get your facts correct.[8|][8|][8|]




sadiq2006 -> RE: Alawi might be back in power by Eid Al Fitir! (8/1/2007 11:29:28 AM)

flybybaghdad
 
100% what you said it is right, but you did not get my point i did not say it is the shia's fault i know it is the sunis and i know all of this what you said it is true, what i meant is that the arabs always blaming the shia's in everything and i know the shia did not do any wrong in the islam time but this is from the stupid arabs and their crazy history just to give excuses that is what i meant when i typed before. 
 
so i agree with 100%.   




Lion of Babylon -> RE: Alawi might be back in power by Eid Al Fitir! (8/3/2007 8:27:41 AM)

Former prime minister of Iraq says Maliki is too sectarian to solve crisis

AMMAN, Jordan: The U.N. and Arab League must play a bigger role in Iraq because the current government there is too sectarian to solve the nation's problems, a former Iraqi prime minister said Tuesday.

In an interview with The Associated Press, Ayad Allawi also called on the United States "and other peace-loving nations" to display the political will to help bring stability not only to Iraq but the entire Middle East.

He said the problems in Iraq remain intractable despite the arrival of nearly 30,000 U.S. reinforcements sent by President George W. Bush this year to try to restore order in Baghdad.

"Imagine what will happen in Iraq once these forces withdraw," Allawi said during an interview in his home in an exclusive Amman neighborhood.

Allawi, a secular Shiite who served as prime minister from June 2004 until April 2005, said religious favoritism had become the norm in governing the country under the current prime minister, Nouri al-Maliki, a religious Shiite.

"That is why we believe that the al-Maliki government is not going to be capable" of reconciling Sunnis, Shiites and Kurds "because it built on the philosophy of sectarianism."

Allawi said the best hope was for the United Nations, including the U.N. Security Council, and the Arab League to take the lead in trying to reconcile Iraq's ethnic and religious factions.

"We have encouraged any dialogue that would spare Iraqi blood from spilling," he said. "We have also said that if this doesn't occur within the framework of the United Nations and without involving the Arab League, then it's going to end fruitlessly, as far as Iraq is concerned."

A Sunni Arab faction led by Saleh al-Mutlaq has asked the United Nations to send back former mediator Lakhdar Brahimi to relaunch the political process. Brahimi put together the 2004 transitional government which Allawi headed.

But Shiite parties have been cool to a bigger role for the Arab League, fearing its Sunni-led governments would show favoritism to their fellow Sunnis. Shiite-dominated Iran is also believed reluctant to give a greater role to the Arabs.

Arab countries, in turn, have been reluctant to become deeply involved in Iraq, deeply mistrustful of the Shiite leadership, which they see as too closely linked to their regional rival Iran.

U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Defense Secretary Robert Gates met Tuesday with Arab foreign ministers in Egypt, trying to rally their support for al-Maliki's government. But Rice and Gates won no new promises of help.

Although no longer in office, Allawi remains an influential figure because he controls 25 seats in parliament and is a favorite of several Arab governments.

"We do understand that Iran may have some fears," Allawi said. "But these fears should be sorted out in dialogue between them and the U.S. within the normal diplomatic context and with the United Nations as the overall umbrella."

Allawi said he wanted to see Iran as "a positive player" that did not interfere in Iraq's internal affairs.

Even if the United Nations assumed a major role, Allawi said Iraq still needs the United States, not only to help resolve problems in his country but throughout the Middle East as well.

"That's why I call on the United States and other peace-loving nations in the world to re-examine their strategies in the area, not only as far as Iraq goes, but to re-examine their strategies on the wider conflict," he said.

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/...raq-Allawi.php




tigris81 -> RE: Alawi might be back in power by Eid Al Fitir! (8/3/2007 8:59:03 AM)

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ORIGINAL: sadiq2006
this issue between sunna and shia has become from the time from 1400 years ago
 
I disagree a bit there. Perhaps the roots of it started 1400 years ago but the core issue started 4 years ago after this stupid war. The media (and hence people) did not give any attention to the issue until 2003 when the once-secular Iraq suddently got invaded and its government replaced by sectarians who are allowing neighbouring countries to interfere in this issue and mix it with politics.
Even Westerners know about Shias and Sunnis which only happened after the war.




Calm -> RE: Alawi might be back in power by Eid Al Fitir! (8/3/2007 7:36:53 PM)

The divide was there before 2003, what the americans didn't do was to bring all sides around the table and talk to them, unite them.  But, feeling guilty of what went on in 1991, they encouraged the shiat to revolt against the Baath party, against the government, and against the sunnis.

They had no clue on how Iraqis felt about occupation, they had no clue about securing the borders, even now, and they had no clue on stopping Al-Qaeda from starting the civil war.




Lion of Babylon -> RE: Alawi might be back in power by Eid Al Fitir! (8/6/2007 9:46:18 PM)

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They had no clue on how Iraqis felt about occupation, they had no clue about securing the borders, even now, and they had no clue on stopping Al-Qaeda from starting the civil war.


Zorba dude. They are clueless full stop. The whole war was a sham from the start. I remember how they berated the French for no joining their coalition of the willing (what a stupid name that is). Turns out China, Russia, France and Germany were right all along and the US/UK double act was way off the mark. They had 12 years to plan this occupation but still got it wrong! Guess who is paying for their mistake?




Lion of Babylon -> RE: Alawi might be back in power by Eid Al Fitir! (8/6/2007 9:48:07 PM)

Allawi Asks INL Ministers to Boycott Cabinet
Fourth Largest Bloc Threatening to Withdraw From Government

Baghdad, Aug 6, (VOI) – Iyad Allawi, leader of the Iraqi National List, asked the five INL ministers not to attend the cabinet meetings and to boycott Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki as "a first step to withdraw from the Iraqi government" in protest against its policies, an INL official said.

"Allawi's calls came in response to the Iraqi premier's failure to fulfill the pledges he had taken upon himself for the INL five months ago," Osama al-Nejefi, an INL member of the Iraqi parliament, told the independent news agency Voices of Iraq (VOI).

Nejefi did not reveal the INL's demands but said "they have to do with political and security reforms." He noted that the INL ministers will settle for doing the necessary works of their ministries from their offices without having to attend any cabinet meetings to avoid causing delays in citizens' interests."

The INL is the largest fourth bloc in the Iraqi parliament with 24 out of a total 275 seats. The largest bloc is the Shiite Unified Iraqi Coalition (UIC) with 115 seats, followed by the Kurdistan Coalition (KC) with 55 and the Sunni Iraqi Accordance Front (IAF) with 44.

The five portfolios of the INL ministers are justice, communications, human rights, science and a state ministry.

Maliki's government is facing a quandary after the INL's decision, preceded by the IAF's decision to a week ago to withdraw its five ministers and Depurty Premier Sallam al-Zawbaie from the government allegedly due to its failure to deliver on its promises for requested reforms.

The Sadrist bloc, or Iraqis loyal to Shiite leader Muqtada al-Sadr, had withdrawn its six ministers from the government for the latter's failure to come up with a timetable for the U.S. forces' pullout from Iraq.

Iraqi President Jalal Talabani paid a visit on Sunday to Vice President Tareq al-Hashimi, a leading IAF member, and agreed to convene a meeting on Monday to discuss the Sunni front's demands for the Maliki government.

A statement issued by Hashimi's office after the meeting indicated that Talabani conveyed to his deputy the outcome of a meeting held on Sunday morning between the Iraqi president and Premier Maliki, which was attended by Vice Premier Adel Abdul-Mahdi.

Maliki had said on Sunday that "efforts were going on to dissuade the IAF from its decision to withdraw from the government."

"We agreed on doing everything we can to have the brothers in the IAF back to their roles and work in accordance with agreements during the talks to reconsider the policies and mend what we can," Maliki said in statements after his meeting with Talabani.




sadiq2006 -> RE: Alawi might be back in power by Eid Al Fitir! (8/7/2007 6:10:00 PM)

calm
 
you said (They had no clue on how Iraqis felt about occupation, they had no clue about securing the borders, even now, and they had no clue on stopping Al-Qaeda from starting the civil war).

the reason is very very very simple just to get their hands on oil and steal money, did you know they the american gain from this war 8 billion dolars from 2003 until now 2007 so why they want to leave if they are getting (haram) bad money i mean.




Lion of Babylon -> RE: Alawi might be back in power by Eid Al Fitir! (8/7/2007 9:19:30 PM)

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did you know they the american gain from this war 8 billion dolars from 2003 until now 2007


And how much did they spend on the war? I would guess its a fair bit more than $8 billion.




sadiq2006 -> RE: Alawi might be back in power by Eid Al Fitir! (8/8/2007 9:09:09 AM)

They had more than 50 years before to plan this occupation but still got it wrong! Guess who is paying for their mistake?




sadiq2006 -> RE: Alawi might be back in power by Eid Al Fitir! (8/8/2007 9:11:09 AM)

i think they spent on war about 400 billion dollars that what they mentione in the newspapers before (and ofcourse the iraqis will pay the bills by rulling the oil of iraq) and ofcourse the invasion of afganistan. .




YellowSunshine -> RE: Alawi might be back in power by Eid Al Fitir! (8/8/2007 5:28:17 PM)

Typing prior to reading all above, some thoughts:  Freemasons are indeed a group that are indeed trouble, there are many, skull and bones, MANY.  Appear good on surface as many things do, often have to do some digging/research on these groups that do good "deeds" that pull the wool over many peoples eyes.

Sadiq, was asked whom he trusted, and I believe LOB or FlyBY posted "No Reply", on that regard I will say perhaps He is not as stupid as he is often stated to be.  It is So VERY hard to TRUST anyone this day and AGE.  Complete trust in another human is (Speaking from MANY mistakes)sets someone up for disapointment almost Always! 

United Nations, I would love to agree that they need to become more involved.  Numbers and many there.  In my short amount of research time I have been trying to look deeper into this organisation.  However, I could be ignorant here, does this usher in the "New World Order" quicker?  There is indeed power in numbers, however, provided all have the same goal and work HONESTLY for the same.  Perhaps, am I dreaming, the US Gov't. would not totally be running the show.

Removal of troups, from what I am undersanding this would not be in Iraq's best interest to arrange a complete withdrawl at present.  Am also concerned that withdrawing any could be hinder Iraq's situation.  Thoughts, comments from you that have more knowledge than self?  Or is it even better to bring more in?  Is ANYTHING better over "yonder?"

In my limited knowledge base (AGAIN, MORE TIME, wish I had it, in my older age the quest for knowledge is strong), wonders about a slow withdrawl program.   This country is suffering as are our people as well, with this war.

Hugs!  "TUMMY TICKLES", lol...
ME







YellowSunshine -> RE: Alawi might be back in power by Eid Al Fitir! (8/9/2007 10:27:53 AM)

Ran across an interesting publication some time back.  "Understanding the Process of Economic Change" Douglass C. North, at the time I seem to recall looking over some reviews that were somewhat critical of this book.  However, reading through what I had printed off previously am finding this quite fascinating.  Some deep insights into past history regarding the Soviet Union, etc..

"The story of the Soviet Union is a story of perceived reality, beliefs, institutions, policies, altered perceived reality and on and on.  The keys to the story are the way beliefs are altered by feedback from changed perceived reality as a consequence of the policies enacted, the adaptive efficiecy of the institutional matrix-how responsive it is to alteration when outcomes deviate from intentions-and the limitations of changes in the formal rules as correctives to perceived failures."

What is the deep underlying force driving the human endeavor-the source of the human intentionality that comes from consciousness?  It is the ubiquitous effort of humans to render their environment intelligible-to reduce the uncertainties of that environment.  But the very environment and therefore new challenges to understanding that environment.  The study of the process of economic change must begin therefore by exploring the ubiquitous efforts of human beings to deal with and congfront uncertainty in a non-ergodic world."

"In part 11 of this book I apply the analytical framework developed in part 1 to attempt to provide a deeper understanding of the process of change, both historical and contemporary.  I broadly outline the changes in the human landscape over the millennia since humans evolved from other primates, and particularly focus on teh past two millennia.  The emphasis here is on the sharp divide between institutions constructed to deal with the uncertainties that are a consequence of the physical enviornment and those constructed to deal with the human environment.  The difficulties involved in altering the institutional framework from one human environment is at the heart of many of the fundamental issues of economic development. "

"How successful are we at controling our destiny?"

"Economic  history is a depressing tale of miscalculation leading to famine, starvation, defeat in warfare, death, economic stagnationa and decline and indeed the disappearance of entire civilizations." 

"Yet we do get it right sometimes, as the spectacular economic growth of the past few centuries attests.  But ongoing success is hardly a foregone conclusion."

"THE CENTRAL FOCUS OF THIS STUDY, AND THE KEY TO IMPROVING ECONOMIC PERFORMANCE,  IS THE DELIBERATE EFFORT OF HUMAN BEINGS TO CONTROL THEIR ENVIRONMENT."

more later, special report coming on tele. w Pres. Bush.  a must watch.

Watched, seems above post on schedule.

There is more in this world that indeed meets the eye, folks...  More conformations/confirmations for "self"

Need some United/Unified Prayer folks. INDEED!!!






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