Good god you two, wow... don't stop as this is getting exciting. Tummy tickles...I was going to say...but then forget it!!!! Dohhhhhhhhhh
Back to our friend KAKA, sorry yellow & harry.
For centuries the poor kurds lived under threats from Syria, Turkey, Iraq, Iran, and Russia. Wherever they went, they created enemies, yet the people themselves are friendly, honest, and majority of them very hardworking. Yet they have a leadership that lives on a dream. The republic of Kurdistan, in the north of iraq, plus a bit from every other country i mentioned, the dream is that they live in harmony with their neighbours and among themselves. That is a lovely dream, and maybe the start of WW3. what a dream!
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ORIGINAL: Calm For centuries the poor kurds lived under threats from Syria, Turkey, Iraq, Iran, and Russia.
Yep, they were poor allright, also illiterate. but the problem is, they still are! and they blame it on Saddams régime.
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ORIGINAL Calm Wherever they went, they created enemies
A carbon copy of our American foreign policy makers.
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ORIGINAL Calm yet the people themselves are friendly, honest, and majority of them very hardworking.
I agree with that 100% with exception of some kakas on this site.
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ORIGINAL Calm Yet they have a leadership that lives on a dream. The republic of Kurdistan, in the north of iraq, plus a bit from every other country i mentioned, the dream is that they live in harmony with their neighbours and among themselves.
The leadership dream defers completely from the dream of the Kurdish people. Leadership dream=getting large piece of the pie, and fill their pockets with riches.
peoples dream= what you mentioned about living in harmony with the neighboring countries. (again, with some exceptions of kakas on this site).
KaKa, yep, we used that term with the youngsters when potty training. perhaps there r many meanings to this particular word/spellings. Similar to when Calm is blocked with his writing. teasing u Mr. Calm
We certainly do NOT need another WW, this could be the last one. UGLY BIG TIME. Question, where does Pakistan fit into this pic?
Or not at all?
joking to lighten up, Calm DO NOT even let your dirty mind go there with self and Unc Harry, NO INCEST.
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KaKa, yep, we used that term with the youngsters when potty training. perhaps there r many meanings to this particular word/spellings.
Question, where does Pakistan fit into this pic?
Or not at all?
In Kurdish Kaka or Kaká means brother, and we are using it for both meanings.
My belief is that Pakistan is abetting El-Qa’ida and its leaders; they found a safe haven there after being kicked out of Afghanistan, and I also believe that El-Qa’ida is pouring a lot of $$$ into the Pakistani Government.
not anly that about the kurds they think that they blessed in the holy book of quran (the holy words of allah the mighty god) and believe that they the best ones in the world, and you what they think the kurds the armies of salah al din al ayobi are all kurds army and they are the ones who realsed it it from the crusaders and think they are smart and they have civilization from thousands of years ago and the best ones hah what do those kurds think themsevles that they are everything hah what a losers and you what also that they hate everyone the arabs the turkoman and the assyrians and all the cultures , what do they think themselves do not any dignity or any loyalty and they will make a civil war in iraq for there crazy benefit and like you calm maybe also world war 3 just for oil what a discusting kurdistan nation it will be in the future all of it black and dark history and lame one and discusting one.
Getting Away With Murder: Delay Chemical Ali's Execution 14th Aug 2007
JURIST Contributing Editor Michael Kelly of Creighton University School of Law says that the execution of "Chemical Ali" for the Anfal genocide against the Iraqi Kurds should be postponed so that his role in subsequent cases exploring other atrocities can be fully explored...
Ali Hassan al-Majid, better known in the West as "Chemical Ali", was charged on August 8, 2007, along with fourteen others, for the massacre of Iraq's Shi'ites in the aftermath of the 1991 Gulf War. Tens of thousands were killed in the uprising which the U.S. urged but failed to support. Iraqi High Tribunal Prosecutor Jaafar al-Moussawi announced that the trial would begin on August 21. Formal charges range from crimes against humanity to genocide. Al-Majid, Saddam Hussein's cousin and frequent military commander of choice, was instrumental in brutally repressing post-Gulf War uprisings. There is just one snag in this process. Al-Majid may be dead within weeks of entering his plea in this trial.
On June 24, 2007, al-Majid was convicted on charges of genocide, war crimes and crimes against humanity as a key ringleader in the military reprisals known as the "Anfal Campaigns" that claimed the lives of up to 180,000 Iraqi Kurds during the waning years of the Iran-Iraq War. Al-Majid often supplemented his attacks against civilian targets and villages with chemical weapons - hence the sobriquet "Chemical Ali." He drew the death sentence in that trial and, per Iraqi law, his case was immediately forwarded to an appellate chamber for automatic review. If confirmed by the appellate court, also per Iraqi law, his execution must be carried out within 30 days.
This same procedure played out in December, 2006, when Saddam's death sentence in the Dujail trial for the massacre of 182 Shi'a was hurriedly and amateurishly carried out after confirmation by the appellate court. At the time of his execution, Saddam was half-way through the Anfal trial. Many observers, including myself, argued strenuously for Saddam's execution to be postponed until all seven trials could be completed, or at least the Anfal trial itself; or, in the alternative, have the trial continue posthumously against him so that the record of his involvement and guilt could be established. Instead, not only was Saddam executed, but the Iraqi High Tribunal declined to continue the trial posthumously against him. Moreover, all charges against Saddam in the Anfal genocide were dropped.
Thus, Saddam got away with murder. His role in the Anfal Campaigns was not officially established through a court process, flawed as that process is. The storytelling function of a criminal trial is vitally important for the victims involved. In the case of Saddam's legally required but premature execution, Iraq's Kurds were denied that function. And although the Shi'a of Dujail got their day in court against Saddam, the Kurds did not. Similarly, the Shi'a of southern Iraq will not get their day in court against al-Majid in the 1991 Shi'ite Uprising trial that the Kurds got in the Anfal trial.
The best institutions learn from their mistakes. The IHT and the Iraqi government should learn from the mishandling of the Saddam proceedings. My advice to the Iraqi government and the IHT on the matter of al-Majid remains the same as it was with Saddam. Postpone al-Majid's execution so that his role in the suppression of the Shi'ites can be fully explored with his active defense. Do not rescind it, or commute it, just postpone it. Failing that, at least let the trial against him continue posthumously. And at the very least avoid dropping the charges against him. To drop the charges is not only an insult to the survivors, but to the memory of the victims as well. Michael J. Kelly is Professor of Law at Creighton University School of Law in Omaha, Nebraska. He is author of Nowhere to Hide: Defeat of the Sovereign Immunity Defense for Crimes of Genocide & the Trials of Slobodan Milosevic and Saddam Hussein (Peter Lang 2005) with a foreword by Desmond Tutu, winner of the 2006 Book of the Year Award from the U.S. National Chapter of L’Association Internationale de Droit Pénal.
read one more time to see how the kurds are naive in their fake history :
not anly that about the kurds they think that they blessed in the holy book of quran (the holy words of allah the mighty god) and believe that they the best ones in the world, and you what they think the kurds the armies of salah al din al ayobi are all kurds army and they are the ones who realsed it it from the crusaders and think they are smart and they have civilization from thousands of years ago and the best ones hah what do those kurds think themsevles that they are everything hah what a losers and you what also that they hate everyone the arabs the turkoman and the assyrians and all the cultures , what do they think themselves do not any dignity or any loyalty and they will make a civil war in iraq for there crazy benefit and like you calm maybe also world war 3 just for oil what a discusting kurdistan nation it will be in the future all of it black and dark history and lame one and discusting one.
Bros, is there really any point to these trials at this time? After they botched up Saddam's excecution I think everyone has lost faith in these show trials.
Saddam aides face trial in Iraq By Mike Wooldridge BBC News, Baghdad Fifteen former associates of executed Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein are facing trial for allegedly suppressing a Shia uprising as the 1991 Gulf War ended.
It is the third trial held by the Iraq High Tribunal. Among those in the dock is Saddam Hussein's cousin Ali Hassan al-Majid, known as "Chemical Ali".
It is widely estimated that tens of thousands of people were killed when the short-lived uprising was crushed. In recent years, many mass graves have been uncovered. Controversies revived The uprising started days after the US-led alliance had driven Saddam's forces out of Kuwait. Across the predominantly Shia provinces of southern Iraq there were apparently spontaneous rebellions.
The trial will deal with crimes against humanity allegedly committed by Iraqi military leaders and leaders of the ruling Baath Party in putting down these rebellions and in the punishment of suspected supporters of the uprising. Majid has already been sentenced to death in an earlier trial for crimes against the Kurdish population, as have two more of the defendants.
US President George Bush Senior's decision not to press on to Baghdad after defeating Saddam Hussein's forces in Kuwait long remained contentious among Shia who believed they had a green light to stage an uprising. The fact that Saddam Hussein's forces were able to use helicopters as gunships against those who took part also caused concern. The trial could revive these controversies.
what about the crimes that the kurds did against the mesopotamians (iraqis) from 100 years ago until now will nobody punish them or what tell me guys ?
He should be tortured for what he has done to the iraqis. Let his death and the trial be a lesson to all those who have killed and currently Iraqis in the name of revenge killing, hate, religion, secterian hatred, racizim, you name it.
Rise and Fall of Chemical AliAli Hassan al-Majid Enjoyed Long Career as Saddam Enforcer Baghdad, Aug 22, (VOI) – Ali Hassan al-Majid, a cousin of former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein and a key convict in the Anfal case, has recently grabbed media attention after appearing, along with 14 other former officials and Baath leaders, before Iraq's Higher Criminal Court on Tuesday on charges of crimes against humanity for the crushing of a Shiite uprising after the 1991 Gulf War. The al-Intifada al-Shaabaniya, or the 1991 uprisings, were a series of rebellions that broke out in 14 southern and northern Iraqi provinces in the aftermath of the 2nd Gulf War in March 1991 against the former regime, which managed to suppress them by mid-April 1991.
Yesterday's trial coincided with the fourth anniversary of Abdul al-Majid's arrest by U.S. forces in Samarra on August 21, 2003. The session was chaired by Chief Judge Muhammad Oraibi al-Khalifa, who sentenced al-Majid to death on June 24 after he was found guilty of genocide and crimes against humanity in the Operation Anfal, in which 182,000 Kurdish civilians were allegedly killed in 1987 and 1988, according to Kurdish figures.
Abdul Al-Majid, dubbed Chemical Ali by Iraqi Kurds for his alleged use of chemical weapons in attacks against them, was born in 1941 in Tikrit, the home town of the former Iraqi leader. He worked as a sergeant in Kirkuk police and became an aide to Iraqi Defense Minister Hammadi Shihab in the early 1970s after joining the Baath Party. He then became head of the government's Security Office, serving as an enforcer for the increasingly powerful Saddam. In 1979, al-Majid called on Saddam, who seized power earlier that year, to get rid of Baath leader Abdul Khaliq al-Samarraie while trying his political opponents for allegedly "conspiring to overthrow the government."
Before the end of the Iraqi-Iranian war (1980-1988), he was given the post of Secretary General of the Northern Bureau of the Baath Party. After the invasion of Iraq in August 1990, he became the military governor of the occupied emirate, otherwise called then by Iraqi authorities "The 19th Iraqi province" but was removed from his position in November 1990.
Following the Iraqi defeat in the war, Abd al-Majid was given the task of quelling uprisings in the Shiite south of Iraq, where many thousands were reportedly killed. He was appointed as interior minister in 1991 and was then given the post of defense minister. In 1995, he was sacked from his ministerial posts and served as a member of the Revolution Command Council and a Baath official. Before the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq in 2003, he was recalled by Saddam and appointed commander of the southern region of Iraq. He was arrested by U.S. forces in 2003 and had been listed as the fifth most-wanted man in Iraq.
Chemical Ali deserves to be tortured for what he did along with abdul Humayd and all those other thugs in saddams inner circle that took advantage of their power and authority. However, I am against the death penalty for Sultan Hashem Al Tai. Sultan was a soldier and the only reason why he is being executed is because of his involvement in the war against Iran in which he earned medals for a few battles he won. In today's iraq, anyone who fought against Iran is automatically branded as a war criminal and marked for death.
what you said in post date/month/year 7/8/2007 about the kurds :(Lived under threat but also created a threat to those countries too), that is what they are doing until now from the time ottomon empire until now.
Will they execute him already!! What are they waiting for? They are again making asses of themselves just like they did when they made such a mess of Saddam's execution. Dumb and dumber! Now Calm my bro, please do the necessary and give us your catch phrase.
these executions are like puppets shows just to make us excited of what's going on in iraq, just to make people like an entertaining that's with this crazy iraqi stupid government.
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