I never known anything other than Saddam so this is a dificult question for me. I chose Ahmed Hasan Al Bakir because my father used to tell me he was the most peacefull leader we ever had.
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With all respect to all, I prefer if Iraq goes back to its days of Monarchy, since no one after our kingdom days was able to spread peace in the country. However, now the time is too late for any kind of government, no system, or ruler will stabilize Iraq. The life Iraq has lived was nothing but a war for control of Iraq’s oil; and is still living it.
During the last days of Iraq’s monarchy, the so-called “Great Britain” was about to loose its grip on Iraqi oil, Nuri Al-Sa`id wanted to shift loyalty from Britain to the U.S. That was the cause of the king getting overthrown in 1958, which caused Britain to loose its mega share of Iraq’s oil completely, thus loosing an abundant amount of income. Furthermore, when the Russians got their hands on the black gold, England was furious, since then it (Britain) had everything to do with destabilizing the country, in an act of revenge.
That is why I do not believe that things will get better, since both, the U.S. and Britain are the main cause of the bloodshed in Iraq, even though on the surface they are acting as allies; I have a gutt feeling that they are fighting each other (in Iraq) for control of our oil.
With all respect to all, I prefer if Iraq goes back to its days of Monarchy, since no one after our kingdom days was able to spread peace in the country.
I agree Harry. I am a monarchist and would have included Iraqs kings in this list but they didn't rule Iraq as such. The Kingdom of Iraq was the best Iraq. Now we only have our grandparents memories to rely on. It was Iraqs golden age in modern history.
I remember the young king, who was killed for no reason whatsoever, hanged upside down, with his private parts stuck in his mouth, after being dragged in the streets behind a car. We called that civilisation, I called it barbaric, and not has changed since then, we have gone backward. Then we had Kasim, the most incredible, most intelligent, most sincere leader Iraq ever had, he was born poor, lived poor and died poor. He loved Iraq, loved the poor, loved the people, but was afraid of the communist party. He was killed like a dog with no trial, and spat on wearing his one of four uniforms he owned. My friend those two were leaders, the rest were a bunch of street gangesters, street fighters. They had no respect for women, children or old individuals. From Araf to Saddam, what do you expect from people with no honour, no respect to mother land, just a bunch of thieves. And now, there is only one in my opinion who could change all that, Ayad Allawie. Give him half a chance, and he will be a very successful leader.
< Message edited by Calm -- 6/12/2007 8:14:05 PM >
Hi Calm. I wish I lived in those times of the king. When I see pics of that time it looked almost civilised and the king had a very kind young face. What a shame on Iraqis for what they did to him. The same people that killed the king in such a horible way are ruining Iraq today. I feel ashamed to say to you that I think in Iraq there are many jealose stupid people that has no morals or love for our country. They only have hate in there hearts and want bloodshed and terror. From the kings times till now. I hate Saddam with all my heart and the day he was excuted I felt so much relief but now I wish he was still here. These monsters need someone like him, another monster, to keep them queite. God bless you and all good people who still love their country.
Eduction education eduction. Thats what we need to give to our children, our young women and men, then the rest of the people. We cannot force on the whole country to close their eyes, and stop listening to the western civilisation. There good and bad everywhere and in everything we see and read and its up to the individuals what to adopt, accept or refuse, and not being dectated by whatever colour turbin. We have lost our identity as Iraqis a long time ago, the days of Kasim and the King will never come back again, but we can go back and learn from those days.
We have lost our identity as Iraqis a long time ago, the days of Kasim and the King will never come back again, but we can go back and learn from those days.
Zorba Dude. After all thats happened why havent we learned from our past? I always thought Iraqis are intelligent but no more. We are sheep!
Throught history those who ruled Iraq the longest were the toughest, heartless, canning individuals. If you shake hand with certain people they don't take it as a sign of respect, but a sign of weakness. But if you slap them hard then shake their hands they will bend backward to please you. We need to educate our youth, most of them never lived in a peaceful surrounding. Most them lived in fear, whether from the saddam, from Iran, or the americans. Their favourite toy as toddlers is a plastic gun, within a couple of years later, its an AK7, and the most fashionable way to die now is driving car with tons of explosives. Bring Iyad Alawie back. He could be one of the best Iraq will ever have.
I remember the young king, who was killed for no reason whatsoever, hanged upside down, with his private parts stuck in his mouth, after being dragged in the streets behind a car. We called that civilisation, I called it barbaric, and not has changed since then, we have gone backward. Then we had Kasim, the most incredible, most intelligent, most sincere leader Iraq ever had, he was born poor, lived poor and died poor. He loved Iraq, loved the poor, loved the people, but was afraid of the communist party. He was killed like a dog with no trial, and spat on wearing his one of four uniforms he owned. My friend those two were leaders, the rest were a bunch of street gangesters, street fighters. They had no respect for women, children or old individuals. From Araf to Saddam, what do you expect from people with no honour, no respect to mother land, just a bunch of thieves. And now, there is only one in my opinion who could change all that, Ayad Allawie. Give him half a chance, and he will be a very successful leader.
If you check the Youtube thread I posted a couple of clips detailing the rise and fall of Kassim. Enjoy.
every one who lead iraq must be strong. look to the histry and this is true. many pppl want alwai but now it is to late. I wish any one come but not maliki.
Dudes...Why are you always saying bring back Alawi? I know he's a good option because he won't have any sympathy for the Militias and their like but is his return likely? I very much doubt it.
FORMER IRAQI PRESIDENT DIES IN JORDAN AMMAN, Jordan - Former Iraqi President Abdel-Rahman Aref, overthrown more than 35 years ago in a coup that brought Saddam Hussein's Baath party to power, died in Amman early Friday at the age of 91, an Iraqi diplomat in Jordan said. Aref died at the King Hussein Medical Center in the Jordanian capital at dawn, Iraqi charge d'affaires in Amman, Tahseen Alwan Ina, told The Associated Press.
Aref's family, most of whom live in Jordan, had called to inform him of the death, Ina said. The diplomat had no details on Aref's health or circumstances of his death. Aref, whose rule was considered weak, had settled in Jordan after leaving Iraq following the U.S. -led invasion that toppled Saddam in 2003. He rose to power in 1963, five years after the bloody overthrow of the Iraqi monarchy when his elder brother, then Iraq's President Abdel-Salam Aref, appointed him army chief of staff.
Three years later, the brother died in a plane crash and Iraqi army officers, said to have been supported by Egyptian leader Gamal Abdel-Nasser, chose the younger Aref to become Iraq's third president. The plane crash was believed to be a sabotage. Aref was president until 1968, when he was toppled in a bloodless coup by the Baath Party, led at the time by Ahmed Hassan al-Bakr who became Iraq's next president. But Saddam was believed to have held behind-the-scenes power in the coup and later, until formally taking over the government in 1979. The reports on the coup said that in the early hours of July 17, 1968, as Aref slept, Defense Minister Hardan al-Tikriti reportedly entered the palace and phoned him to tell him he was no longer president.
Aref was then hustled onto a plane to London, from where he made his way to Istanbul, Turkey, where he lived 11 years in exile before he was allowed by Saddam to return in the late 1980s to live out a quiet life in the Iraqi capital. In 2004, the post-Saddam Iraqi interim government said it would pay Aref a monthly pension and allocated some funds for his medical treatment in Jordan. It was never made public what kind of health problems Aref suffered. Aref's sister, Sabiha, was killed in 2004 by flying glass from an exploding car bomb near her Baghdad home. In a rare interview after Saddam's overthrow, Aref urged Iraqis to forget the past and work for a better future.
"I hope there will be stability and security in all parts of Iraq and neighboring Arab countries. I hope they will flourish," Aref told The AP in Baghdad in 2003. "I hope there will be national unity in Iraq by forgetting the past and looking for the future." Aref is survived by his wife, two sons and three daughters. Ina said he would meet the family on Saturday to decide on funeral arrangements.
i do not think that allawi is a good option just only to destroy Militias, and then what next he will create another war just for his own ambition, people do not forget that he is also a saddam hussain student and learned from him many things and also i am sure he will become also a traitor like the other iraqi leaders, god bless you all.
like i said he is a saddam hussain student so do not trust him, trust in your people.
you said :(I always thought Iraqis are intelligent but no more. We are sheep!), so what do you think that the other arab country's are much more intelligent than the iraqis answer me truthfully and honest ?
I was looking at the vote, and surprise surprise the people want Ayad allawie back. The other favourite are dead.
I remember the days when you would see girls on bicycles going to school, i was only a little boy. I remember when I was 4 and dad had a stand in the Baghdad exhibition centre, and he won the silver medal.
We are a proud race, yet we lost our ways, we lost it thanks to Saddam's revolution for creating a generation that has no values, not even to themselves. I saw a film showing his suicide lot eating a live dog as part of their training. Dogs eating dogs.
I think its strange that so many on this forum object to Alawi yet don't seem to be able to identify an alternative candidate for the job. If all those Alawi haters out there can't offer any choice then their arguments are just a waste of time!
iraq needs many many many generations to change it, but first we should change the people and their mindless thoughts and violance and learn from the past mistakes.
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