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Lion of Babylon -> Muslims are not the only fundamentalists! (5/16/2007 2:13:34 AM)

The Theocratic Christians of the USA are calling the shots and we are all paying for their philosophy. This article deals with this matter. All comments are welcome.

For the last several years, a network of radical fundamentalists has wreaked havoc on the American way of life. No, I'm not talking about al Qaeda, but rather the fundamental Christians who believe they have been ordained by a higher power to right what they believe is wrong with America. James Dobson, Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson and their powerful, prosperous Christian organizations, have exchanged democracy for theocracy and it hasn't been working out too well for anyone.
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com:80/carol-hoenig/the-evils-of-radical-fund_b_48331.html




Mout Ahmar -> RE: Muslims are not the only fundamentalists! (5/16/2007 3:53:39 AM)

this is true. all religons have fanatisism but this bush christianity is not the real christians. just like the fanatism muslim are not real muslim. but nobody speak about the christian & only muslim fanatism is making good reports that sell news papers. all fanatism is bad




Harry -> RE: Muslims are not the only fundamentalists! (5/16/2007 11:55:30 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lion of Babylon

James Dobson, Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson and their powerful, prosperous Christian organizations, have exchanged democracy for theocracy and it hasn't been working out too well for anyone.


L. O. B.
 
Well, J. Fallwell is finally dead. I (Being a Christian) am relieved that a devil that posed as a Christian, is gone. I just hope that his followers will either see the real light or soon perish like their leader. Christ never condemned anyone for their way of life; in fact, when he was asked, “How meny times should I forgive my enemy?” he replied, “7 times 77”. If a Christian is supposed to forgive his own enemy, then Fallwell and his kind are never Christians; a Christian should make friends, not enemies.
 
This brings me to the chief executive, G. B. since day one (I mean from the moment he decided to run for presidency) he started making enemies instead of friends. That is why the U. S. economy is headed to the sewage. His sort of people are driven more by evil than God, Christ, and Christianity. I would describe them more as “War mongers” than Christians.
 
Fallwell, Dobson, Robertson. They all are after two things, “WEALTH, and power”. They only created these ministries to avoid paying taxes, and get their share of administrative powers. Hundreds of thousands of sheep like people are following them blindly; just like in Iraq thousands of illiterates are following the turban-heads and committing all these slaughterhouse type murders, and initiating “Fatwas”.




sadiq2006 -> RE: Muslims are not the only fundamentalists! (5/16/2007 3:20:50 PM)

you mean harry

that they are following muqtada al sadder to do his own crazy bidding with their blind minds and blind hearts.  




Lion of Babylon -> RE: Muslims are not the only fundamentalists! (5/17/2007 12:55:38 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Harry


Well, J. Fallwell is finally dead. I (Being a Christian) am relieved that a devil that posed as a Christian, is gone. I just hope that his followers will either see the real light or soon perish like their leader. Christ never condemned anyone for their way of life; in fact, when he was asked, “How meny times should I forgive my enemy?” he replied, “7 times 77”. If a Christian is supposed to forgive his own enemy, then Fallwell and his kind are never Christians; a Christian should make friends, not enemies.
 
This brings me to the chief executive, G. B. since day one (I mean from the moment he decided to run for presidency) he started making enemies instead of friends. That is why the U. S. economy is headed to the sewage. His sort of people are driven more by evil than God, Christ, and Christianity. I would describe them more as “War mongers” than Christians.
 
Fallwell, Dobson, Robertson. They all are after two things, “WEALTH, and power”. They only created these ministries to avoid paying taxes, and get their share of administrative powers. Hundreds of thousands of sheep like people are following them blindly; just like in Iraq thousands of illiterates are following the turban-heads and committing all these slaughterhouse type murders, and initiating “Fatwas”.


Salam Harry. I would like to offer another way of describing these neocon Christians. MODERN DAY CRUSADERS (for oil and territory). The relationship between the Bush family and the Saudi Royals is so obvious and they dont even care to hide this. While Iraq burns the Saudis are busy closing deals with the Bush think tank. I watched F 9/11 again last night and still cant understand how the US public allowed so many issues to be swept under the Zoolia. The main one being that on the 13th of September the US aviation authorities grounded all flights in the US but gave special permission for the Saudi Royals to fly out certain privileged Saudis, the Bin Ladens among them. This Bush presidency has been about nothing more that building personal dynasties and lining pockets. Whats most sickening is that they appear to have gotten away with it.




Lion of Babylon -> RE: Muslims are not the only fundamentalists! (5/17/2007 12:59:08 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: sadiq2006

that they are following muqtada al sadder to do his own crazy bidding with their blind minds and blind hearts.  


Dude, what planet do you come from? [:D] 




azinorum -> RE: Muslims are not the only fundamentalists! (5/17/2007 9:55:09 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lion of Babylon

quote:

ORIGINAL: sadiq2006

that they are following muqtada al sadder to do his own crazy bidding with their blind minds and blind hearts.  


Dude, what planet do you come from? [:D] 


sadiq2006 comes from the planet iraqimasqueradingasayank.




YellowSunshine -> RE: Muslims are not the only fundamentalists! (5/17/2007 3:17:43 PM)

[:D]Aliens all over the place.
me




azinorum -> RE: Muslims are not the only fundamentalists! (5/17/2007 3:38:04 PM)

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YellowSunshine -> RE: Muslims are not the only fundamentalists! (5/17/2007 3:46:24 PM)

Come on now, u KNOW u can handle "it"........
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Lion of Babylon -> RE: Muslims are not the only fundamentalists! (5/18/2007 2:58:40 PM)

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Lion of Babylon -> RE: Muslims are not the only fundamentalists! (5/18/2007 3:02:26 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Harry

just like in Iraq thousands of illiterates are following the turban-heads and committing all these slaughterhouse type murders, and initiating “Fatwas”.


Illiteracy is one of the reasons why these Mullas have so much power in our country but What about Americans? Whats their excuse?




zimzim -> RE: Muslims are not the only fundamentalists! (5/19/2007 3:19:08 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lion of Babylon

Illiteracy is one of the reasons why these Mullas have so much power in our country but What about Americans? Whats their excuse?


Laziness? [8|] Apathy? [8|] 




azinorum -> RE: Muslims are not the only fundamentalists! (5/20/2007 12:56:50 AM)

Report concerning Hakim's illness.
 
Iraq: Ailing Leaders and Weakening Hopes for Stability
May 20, 2007 02 43  GMT

 
Summary
Iraq's most powerful Shiite politician, Abdel Aziz al-Hakim, has been in the United States since May 17 to seek immediate medical attention for lung cancer, the Washington Post reported May 19. Al-Hakim has worked closely with the United States and is also Iran's main ally in Iraq; his untimely departure from the scene could have serious repercussions for both U.S. and Iranian interests. Al-Hakim is not the only ailing Iraqi leader: Iraqi President Jalal Talabani is also ill, and Iraq's top cleric Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani is also aging -- a situation which bodes ill for future stability in Iraq.

Analysis
Iraqi Shiite political leader Abdel Aziz al-Hakim is in the United States to receive urgent medical treatment for lung cancer, the Washington Post reported May 19. The 57-year old al-Hakim -- who leads both Iraq's most powerful Shiite party, the Iraqi Islamic Supreme Council (IISC), and the ruling Shiite Islamist coalition, the United Iraqi Alliance -- is the main Iraqi Shiite ally for both the United States and Iran. His trip, which began on May 17, was made possible because U.S. President George W. Bush authorized immediate transportation from Baghdad to the University of Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center in Houston, Texas.

Clearly, al-Hakim is important to both U.S. and Iranian
interests in Iraq. If he should succumb to his illness -- or even just bow out of Iraqi politics for health reasons -- it could prove disastrous for the future of U.S.-Iranian plans to achieve stability and security in Iraq. And al-Hakim is not the only Iraqi Shiite leader whose tenure is in question. Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, the top Iraqi Shiite cleric, was flown to the United Kingdom for a heart treatment in a similar incident in 2004; he is in his late 70s and might also be close to stepping aside.

Should Iraq's majority community lose its top political or religious leader (or both), it will only exacerbate
intra-Shiite conflicts that are already getting out of hand. Here al-Hakim's role is far more critical than al-Sistani's -- al-Hakim leads a political party with its own armed wing, and is struggling to maintain its dominant position within the Iraqi Shiite political landscape.

The IISC, which was known until May 12 as the Supreme Council for Islamic Revolution in Iraq, has been controlled by the al-Hakim clan since it was formed in Tehran in 1982 by al-Hakim's elder brother, Ayatollah Muhammad Baqir al-Hakim (who was assassinated by jihadists in August 2003). Al-Hakim's exit from the scene could trigger an internal power struggle between his family and the other leaders within his group. His son, Ammar al-Hakim, would be a contender for the leadership -- but he is considered too young and there are other, more senior leaders within the party who would be more likely candidates. Finance Minister Bayan Jabor supervised the incorporation of the Badr Organization into the state security forces during his stint as interim interior minister, and might have their support if he were to make a bid for al-Hakim's spot. Meanwhile, Vice President Adel Abdel-Mahdi is the IISC's No. 2 leader, and is also seen as a possibility to succeed Nouri al-Maliki as prime minister.

Chaos within the party will lead to other Shiite groups -- such as IISC's main rivals, the al-Sadrite Bloc and the Fadhila party -- challenging the party for control over the oil-rich Basra region. This will only lead to further chaos within the community and the country as a whole -- making it even more difficult for Iran to control the Shiite community, just when Washington is depending on Tehran to ensure Shiite compliance with an overall settlement with the Sunnis.

And it is not just in Iraq that the Shiite leadership is either seriously ill or at an advanced age. Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, at 67, reportedly is also terminally ill with cancer; his deputy, Ali Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani, is 73 years old (though he is not known to be ill). Meanwhile, another key U.S. ally in Iraq, Iraqi President Jalal Talabani (a Sunni Kurd) is also suffering from a possible heart condition, and is expected to fly May 20 from the northern Iraqi city of Sulaimaniyah to Rochester, Minn., for an examination at the Mayo Clinic.

The U.S. plan for salvaging Iraq depends upon leaders who are aging -- and increasingly, ailing. Even if Washington reaches a settlement with Tehran on stabilizing the country, the implementation phase is sure to be fraught with crises.




Lion of Babylon -> RE: Muslims are not the only fundamentalists! (5/20/2007 1:37:14 AM)

First Hakim now Talabani.  President Jalal Talabani will travel to the United States this weekend for a medical checkup, a senior Kurdish politician close to the Iraqi leader said Saturday.

The politician, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he is not authorized to discuss the president's plans, said the checkup at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minnesota, has been scheduled for weeks.
Talabani, a 73-year-old Sunni Kurd, will fly Sunday from the Kurdish city of Sulaimaniyah, 260 kilometers (160 miles) northeast of Baghdad. He gave no other details.

Senior Shiite politician Abdul-Aziz al-Hakim flew there aboard a U.S. military aircraft Wednesday for further tests to determine if he is suffering from lung cancer, according to members of his staff.

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/...q-Talabani.php




azinorum -> RE: Muslims are not the only fundamentalists! (5/23/2007 9:08:55 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: zimzim

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lion of Babylon

Illiteracy is one of the reasons why these Mullas have so much power in our country but What about Americans? Whats their excuse?


Laziness? [8|] Apathy? [8|] 


Both!




azinorum -> RE: Muslims are not the only fundamentalists! (5/23/2007 9:12:29 AM)

While the big cats are away getting fixe up in texas, habibi Muqtada is doing the rounds. It looks as if Sadr desperately wants his nationalist credentials back.

A pro-US Sunni tribal leader made a rare visit to the Iraqi capital’s Shia bastion of Sadr City on Tuesday in a bid for national reconciliation.

Sheikh Hamid al-Hayis, the armed wing chief of an alliance of Sunni tribes fighting Al-Qaeda alongside US forces in Anbar province of western Iraq, visited supporters of radical Shia cleric Moqtada al-Sadr.

“This meeting is a message to Iraqi politicians to get rid of their differences and to seek real reconciliation,” Hayis said.

While Iraq is ostensibly led by a unity government of Sunni and Shia parties, relations have dissolved into acrimonious bickering, paralysing political life in the violence-plagued country.

“We are trying to pressure (the government) to make political changes for the sake of the Iraqi people who are drowning in the blood of their sons,” Hayis added.
In recent weeks, however, Sadr’s movement has made moves to reach out to the Sunni community and build on its nationalist, rather than just Shia, credentials.

Participants at Tuesday’s meeting called for improved national security services, for holding internationally monitored provincial council elections, and for “calling any killer of Iraqis a terrorist who has to be fought.”

The participants said they hoped to arrange future meetings involving Sadr himself, who has not been seen in months. The US military says he is in Iran but his supporters insist he is laying low in the Shia holy city of Najaf.

“Abu Risha said he would visit Sadr soon,” said Abdel Mahdi al-Muteiri of Sadr’s office, referring to Abdel Sattar Baziya of the Abu Risha tribe, the leader of the Anbar Awakening coalition.

“There will be a meeting soon in the holy city of Najaf. The sayyid (Sadr) liked and welcomed the idea of the visit,” he added.

http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayA...on=focusoniraq




Harry -> RE: Muslims are not the only fundamentalists! (5/23/2007 9:58:00 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: zimzim

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lion of Babylon

Illiteracy is one of the reasons why these Mullas have so much power in our country but What about Americans? Whats their excuse?


Laziness? [8|] Apathy? [8|] 



More like $$$$$$ + illiteracy (the brain kind)




YellowSunshine -> RE: Muslims are not the only fundamentalists! (5/23/2007 10:23:42 AM)

Harry,
Yeppers!
Many that have tried to mislead...
Tired of That CRAP
here
can I say THAT?
hugs
me




YellowSunshine -> to Harry, Azinorum, Zimmers and M.A. (5/23/2007 10:26:12 AM)

Would like to have more x. But only can read a tad.
later taters
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ms BIG MOUTH here
hugs also
me




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