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azinorum -> The Seperation of Iraq (5/5/2007 2:31:00 PM)

Another genuis comes up with a "new" plan for Iraq. [:'(]

WASHINGTON, May 2 (UPI) -- U.S. Sen. Joe Biden has reintroduced his decentralization plan to effectively partition Iraq into three distinct regions.
Biden, D-Del., the chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee of the U.S. Senate, drew up a plan that envisioned dividing Iraq into three distinct Kurd, Sunni and Shiite regions. He introduced the plan last year, but on Tuesday he called for a second look at the proposal.

"One year ago today, Les Gelb (the president emeritus of the Council on Foreign Relations) and I announced our plan for a way forward in Iraq. And one year later -- with the administration's flawed policy leading us nowhere and today's news that April is the deadliest month this year -- our plan becomes more urgent every day," Biden said in a statement.

Biden's plan calls for the three main groups in Iraq to have regional autonomy while a central government manages common interests such as border security and distribution of oil revenues.

"The Bush administration still believes that Iraqis will rally to a strong, democratic central government that treats everyone equitably. ... But there is no trust within the government, no trust of the government by the people and no capacity by the government to deliver security and services," Biden said.

The Biden plan may fuel the violence, however, because it provides incentive to continue or even accelerate the sectarian killing. In the process of drawing the regional borders, sectarian militias would have every incentive to use ethnic cleansing to create a majority of their sect in order to be included in one region or another.

Meanwhile, violence in Iraq is creating a de facto situation similar in some ways to the Biden plan. Sectarian militias are carving out spheres of influence that tend to fall within the boundaries of their respective regions.
http://www.upi.com/Security_Terroris...tion_for_iraq/



YellowSunshine -> RE: The Seperation of Iraq (5/6/2007 8:32:19 AM)

http://www.truthdig.com/dig/item/20070323_calling_out_idiot_america/



sadiq2006 -> RE: The Seperation of Iraq (5/8/2007 3:35:35 PM)

bush will stay forever a pig and the arabs are discuting and stupid, god bless mesopotamia.



zimzim -> RE: The Seperation of Iraq (5/9/2007 8:53:25 AM)

I have a very strong opinion about this topic. Iraq seperated will lead to us losing our culture and force a new false identity on our country. How do they think they will seperate Iraq? If we forget Kurdistan for a moment and look at the rest of the country. What will happen to the other minorities. The Christians, Turkomanistanis, yezidis and other less powerfull ethnics? Do we all have to move to europe and USA before these new rulers are happy? Iraq is not only for muslims and kurds. Our history is in Iraq. Our fathers and bothers fought for their country too. What about the rest of us?



Lion of Babylon -> RE: The Seperation of Iraq (5/9/2007 1:38:04 PM)

Please explain why you are moaning about separation? So what if Iraq is separated. Separation is only some dotted line on a map. It is not a definite border. If separation makes Iraq a safer place for the time being then why the hell not? Eventually the dotted lines will be done away with and Iraqis of all races and religions will have to come together to find a solution. Even the Kurds will soon see that American support is only temporary. Real Iraqis want to unite but if separation allows for better security then it is acceptable to me as a temporary solution.



YellowSunshine -> RE: The Seperation of Iraq (5/9/2007 9:57:48 PM)

[:D]



YellowSunshine -> RE: The Seperation of Iraq (5/10/2007 11:59:35 AM)

Lion, In re-reading your above post...Perhaps I agree with you. 
[:D]



Lion of Babylon -> RE: The Seperation of Iraq (5/10/2007 12:41:40 PM)

I am happy to hear it. I was just kidding about the LSD....














your secret is safe with me! [;)]



zimzim -> RE: The Seperation of Iraq (5/14/2007 4:56:11 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lion of Babylon

Please explain why you are moaning about separation? So what if Iraq is separated. Separation is only some dotted line on a map. It is not a definite border. If separation makes Iraq a safer place for the time being then why the hell not? Eventually the dotted lines will be done away with and Iraqis of all races and religions will have to come together to find a solution. Even the Kurds will soon see that American support is only temporary. Real Iraqis want to unite but if separation allows for better security then it is acceptable to me as a temporary solution.


Hello LB. First no one is moaning about anything. Seperation will mean borders and these borders are no temporary. Such a decision will mean Iraq will no longer exsist. Kurdistan in the north. Sunistan Iraq in the center and shiastan in the south. Then they will fight each other for larger sections of the land and we will no longer have an Iraq to go back to. I respect you have your opinion but I disagree about this point. As you said real iraqis want to be united so why give in to fake Iraqis and their Irani leaders?



YellowSunshine -> RE: The Seperation of Iraq (5/14/2007 2:34:28 PM)

wellllllllllll, isn't there such a thing as flashbacks from lsd?      laughing here. needed to!
God Bless ALL.
me
[8|]



sadiq2006 -> RE: The Seperation of Iraq (5/14/2007 3:37:43 PM)

lion of babylon

how can you say that seperation for mesopotamia is ok are you nuts and crazy did you forget the mesopotamia was divided from 70 years ago by sikis beko and divided mesopotamia into three parts turkey invade uppor north of mespotamia and syria invaded the quarter half of mesopotamia from west side and now you do noty care about mesopotamia GOD I CANNOT BELIEVE YOU ARE SAYING THIS YOU ARE NOT MESOPOTAMIAN YOU ARE NOT FROM THE LAND OF THE FIRST PROPHETS AND THE CRADLE OF CIVILIZATION HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT, SEPERATION MEANS DISTUCTION MORE MORE MORE FOR MESOPOTAMIA AND WIPE IT OUT FROM THE FACE OF THE PLANET EARTH WITH STUPID AMBITIONS.    



Lion of Babylon -> RE: The Seperation of Iraq (5/15/2007 4:13:40 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: sadiq2006

lion of babylon

how can you say that seperation for mesopotamia is ok are you nuts and crazy did you forget the mesopotamia was divided from 70 years ago by sikis beko and divided mesopotamia into three parts turkey invade uppor north of mespotamia and syria invaded the quarter half of mesopotamia from west side and now you do noty care about mesopotamia GOD I CANNOT BELIEVE YOU ARE SAYING THIS YOU ARE NOT MESOPOTAMIAN YOU ARE NOT FROM THE LAND OF THE FIRST PROPHETS AND THE CRADLE OF CIVILIZATION HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT, SEPERATION MEANS DISTUCTION MORE MORE MORE FOR MESOPOTAMIA AND WIPE IT OUT FROM THE FACE OF THE PLANET EARTH WITH STUPID AMBITIONS.    


Dude, I don’t need a history lesson from you about my own country. You refer to Mesopotamia as divided since the Sykes Pico agreement but we have been conquered and divided by many cultures and these divisions are not a secret. The Romans, Greeks, Persians, Arabs, Persians again then the Turks, Brits and now Americans.

Here s brief history for you. The Persians who ruled a large section of Mesopotamia renamed it Iran's Heart and the metropol Ctesiphon, the capital of Persia, was situated in Mesopotamia. Khalid Bin Walid then conquered Mesopotamia and Persia and split Mesopotamia into 2 sections or provinces (Musil & Baghdad). We were again conquered by the Persians, after came the Turks who separated Mesopotamia into 3 separate provinces, Musil, Baghdad and Basra. Then came the Brits who named the region Iraq.

I took the time to read some of your posts which are at best semi literate in their composition (Im being very kind by referring to them as SEMI). You appear to be confused about many issues and your only contributions have been negative and infantile.  I think Im going to have fun with you in the coming weeks.



YellowSunshine -> RE: The Seperation of Iraq (5/15/2007 1:34:20 PM)

Lob...[8|]!
Perhaps u r a character as myself, somex's. 
Careful.
I will assume u do know what u r doing here.

God Bless the WHOLE MESSED UP world, no exceptions.

BIG Sigh here.
xxxxxxxxxxxooooooooooo
me



YellowSunshine -> RE: The Seperation of Iraq (5/15/2007 1:36:05 PM)

there is a reason why some have called me mother theresa, because i am always trying to look out for others.
guess that's a good thing.
somex's pretty rough on me tho.
perhaps my calling.
me
big mouth




Lion of Babylon -> RE: The Seperation of Iraq (5/16/2007 1:45:01 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: YellowSunshine

Lob...[8|]!
Perhaps u r a character as myself, somex's. Careful. I will assume u do know what u r doing here.


YS what do you mean by the above quote? [8|]



YellowSunshine -> RE: The Seperation of Iraq (5/16/2007 1:48:44 PM)

simply put i do NOT want u to get too nasty, u do not know whom reads these forums.  I am not scared for myself.  I speak the truth as i perceive it.  I believe in justice, God, and many other things.  Some r not so enlightened and from what i understand your country is a very dangerous place (however it is so world wide).

perhaps u already know exactly what i have said above. 

i just worry that some may "injure" u, so to speak if you threaten or say the "wrong" thing.

It comes from being the oldest of 10, mother had issues, Dad was busy working had an impt job.  I had to often be the adult and take care of everyone, inbred in me.  i just plain worry about others.   simple, but somex's a hard cross to bear.

God Bless

me, "mother theresa"



sadiq2006 -> RE: The Seperation of Iraq (5/16/2007 2:39:47 PM)

lion of babylon

the name iraq was from the time of islam and you said it is time from the british you are doing just the kurds did and saying that the name iraq was from 100 years old andthis bullshit and second do not forget about diyar baker and diyar robaia and diyar modar and mardin and others in the furat river in syria that they invadid like the place qamishly and hasaki and dir alzor cities these are all iraqis cities and land (mesopotamia) and please next to not metion the discusting names of persia and what they did to mesopotamia because they ruinde it and destroyed it culture and heritage.



Lion of Babylon -> RE: The Seperation of Iraq (5/17/2007 9:04:02 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: sadiq2006

lion of babylon

the name iraq was from the time of islam and you said it is time from the british you are doing just the kurds did and saying that the name iraq was from 100 years old andthis bullshit and second do not forget about diyar baker and diyar robaia and diyar modar and mardin and others in the furat river in syria that they invadid like the place qamishly and hasaki and dir alzor cities these are all iraqis cities and land (mesopotamia) and please next to not metion the discusting names of persia and what they did to mesopotamia because they ruinde it and destroyed it culture and heritage.


I did say a I would give you a "brief" history of Iraq. However you are correct in saying that the Brits did not come up with the name Iraq. However the Brits are the ones who named us Republic of Iraq officially. My fault, I'll be more specific in future. As I told you previously I took the time to read through your older comments on various posts and threads and from what I understand you are not concerned about the modern state of Iraq as much as its ancient mesopotamian forefather. This tells me that you have a romantic take on this much discussed and argued subject. I on the other hand take the more practical line. Dude! prepare yourself for the truth........MESOPOTAMIA IS DEAD.

We are not Arabs, we are not Muslims, we are not Christians, we are not Persians, nor are we Turks. In our current state we are a mixture of all these cultures. Our glory period as a region when we could truly call ourselves "the Mesopotamians" ended very soon after the neo babylonian empire collapsed in the 7th century BC. You can delude yourself by fantasizing that Mesopotamia was a single, culture passing from hand to hand, but you would be very wrong. In fact the cultures of Mesopotamia were diverse and varied. Even in the period of great empires from the Akkadians, Mesopotamia consisted of independent city-states with their own cults, languages, kings, and administrations. So when we speak of Mesopotamia as dominated by one group or another, the traditions and governments of other groups thrived beneath this domination.
 
So I say to you again, there is no such things as a pure mesopotamian anymore. Mesopotamia was never pure in that sense. Thats what made it so special. At the end of each civilisation and period we re-invented ourselves according to the geographic and cultural dynamic. The end of each chapter or dynasty was and is only a link to the next chapter and the next people. The notion that there are pure mesopotamians is nothing more than a myth, or in your case a bad dose of wishful thinking. Salam



salim -> RE: The Seperation of Iraq (5/19/2007 4:33:27 AM)

Seprate Iraq = no more Iraq. [X(]



Lion of Babylon -> RE: The Seperation of Iraq (5/20/2007 1:51:12 AM)

With Hakim in the US for cancer treatment, Talabani on his way to join him and Sistani cant be expected to live for many more years, do you think Iraq will be able to remain a unified state? I very much doubt it. We have to face facts. Basra is already in the hands of Iran, Kurdistan is now full Kurdified, now all we have left is the central region of Baghdad. Arent we already separated? [:-]



zimzim -> RE: The Seperation of Iraq (5/23/2007 4:03:40 AM)

We are devided but not seperated. If Iraq becomes a Federation of States how long do you think it will be before the federations start fighting each other? Iraq need a strong leadership who can unite all the people. [sm=smiley28.gif]



salim -> RE: The Seperation of Iraq (5/24/2007 3:07:18 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: zimzim

We are devided but not seperated. If Iraq becomes a Federation of States how long do you think it will be before the federations start fighting each other? Iraq need a strong leadership who can unite all the people. [sm=smiley28.gif]


I agree we need strong leader. but what is the deferance between devided and separated? [8|]



Mout Ahmar -> RE: The Seperation of Iraq (5/27/2007 2:27:46 AM)

helo 2 every 1. why u dont make a poll to c what every 1 on iraq4u thinks?



Lion of Babylon -> RE: The Seperation of Iraq (5/28/2007 8:17:15 AM)

Good thinking Batman. I'll post one now! [:D]



sadiq2006 -> RE: The Seperation of Iraq (5/28/2007 7:23:21 PM)

LION OF BABYLON
 
you are right mesopotamia is no more you know why because weak people like you crazy and stupid they let other crazy civilizations come and destroy the culture of mesopotamia the land of the first prophets and also letting destroy many things in mesopotamia and changing the people motions and history and there are many examples about this, SO PEOPLE LIKE YOU DO NOT CARE ABOUT ANYTHING BECASUE YOUR HISTORY IS SO SO SO BORING AND NAIVE.



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