why do you care about mesopotamia you arabs never cared about it.
mr sadiq2006. i am not iraqi but i live in iraq when i was teenager. i dont understand what u mean arab hate iraq? arab dont hate iraq but they dont help iraq too. arab now like european people who are caring only for themselfs. but they dont hate iraq. this is what i c anyway.
ORIGINAL: Harry From what I learned during my school years in the “el-gherbia” middle school in “Bab el-mu’atham” that the word Iraq comes from the Arabic word meaning “Full of roots” and it is a reference to the roots of the millions of palm trees scattered all over.
Thanks for bringing us back to the topic at hand. Sadiq2006 is the destroyer of topics with his irrelevant rubbish and frankly its getting irritating.
Basra, which in Arabic means "the over watching" or "the seeing everything", was given to it because of its role as a Military base against the Sassanid empire. At the risk of alienating some members on this forum I've also heard from other sources that its name is in fact of Persian origin. There is a Persian word "Bas-rāh or Bassorāh" meaning where many ways come together. Does anyone have an opinion on this?
stick only with the original names from mesopotamia and not from persia who change the image of mesopotamia and everything in it, stick with the origin names of mesopotamia.
You are right about Basra but add to it the white stone over looking or over watching.
The name Iraq comes from the Greek, which means the fertile land between the rivers.
On Discovery channal, I watched a brilliant decomentary about the history of iraq called (From babylon to baghdad) and it was amazing, I even recorded it.
I better find what Mosul means. We could go on forever here, whose idea was this?
This one is interesting. Mosul comes from the Turkish word Musul, although its no longer manufactured in Mosul, but used to be the main product manufactured in the old days. If you not sure what musul mean, ask your wives or mothers and they will tell you. Ok I will tell you, its a type of cloth used mainly in the kitchen in various way.
"The origin of the town's name is in some doubt, but one theory is that its Syriac name, Pallgutha, is derived from the word division. The city's name in Aramaic is Pumbedita."
Kirkuk Derives its name from the old Hurrian word Arabkha which was later changed to Arrapha.
Kirkuk was also known as Kurkura, which may explain the origin of the Kurdish name Baba Kurkur (Father Flame) for the area.
Under Greek reign it was known as Karkha D-Bet Slokh, which means 'Citadel of the House of Seleucid as the Aramaic language was lingua franca of fertile crescent at that era.
The region around Kirkuk was known during Parthian and Sassanid periods as Garmakan, which in Persian means the 'Land of Warmth' or the 'Hot Land'; this name is still used by the Kurds in the form of Garmian with the same meaning.
From 7th century when Muslim Arabs conquered the area up to the medieval era Arab writers used the name 'Kirkheni' to refer to the city. Some Arabs used the name Bajermi or Jermakan.
The Turkmen of Kirkuk believe that the word Kirkuk started to be used for the first time by the Turkmen State Kara Koyunlu (1375 – 1468). According to Turkmen tradition, the name of the city comes from their word Kerk, meaning 'beauty.
< Message edited by azinorum -- 4/6/2007 3:07:34 PM >
Instead of just barking out instructions why don't you try and post a relevant response for a change. If you have any ideas with regards the title of this thread then please feel free to make them public. We already know you hate Iranians and Kurds, enough already, this has nothing to do with the subject at hand. You've already stated that the origin of the name Baghdad is Akadian but have failed to back it up with facts or at least offer a point of reference. All that matters to you is that all Iraqi cities must be of Mesopotamian origin. However given that Iraq was ruled by the Persian Empire for 900 years its very likely that some of our names and traditions are of Iranian origin. After the Persians were done the ottomans ruled us for another 400 years so it also stands to reason that some of our towns could have Turkish sounding names.
The last time Mesopotamia was ruled by its own people was in the 6th century BC so you see theres no sense in claiming all Iraqi cities/names are of Mesopotamian origin.
so what i know that you are a persian that's for sure and also that you want to tell that there is no such thing mesopotamia changing the names into kurdish and persians names gives the for the kurds to claim that it is for them and ruling mesopotamia and saying to the world "did you see world it is kurdish land" think they can fool the world and people that it is for them and the problem from the kurds they think until now that there is really kurdistan and they do not know for real that it is a politicle name just to confuse the middle east lands for their own ambitions from that crazy mostafa barazani fooled the kurds and make them believe that truly the mesopotamians invaded and that is all bullshit and the kurds still believe his words they are so naive they fooled the kurds and not telling the truth what he did to the mesopotamians in bad ways.
I have to tell you that I stopped reading half way through your post. The reason? Repetition, repetition, repetition. When will you answer a post without reverting to the same tired old BS. According to your latest fantasy I'm an Persian Kurd with anti Mesopotamian tendencies. Hey whatever rocks your boat. You can call me a Swedish Swaziman with a chronic kebbab dependency for all I care. Just get back to the topic and stop posting crap for the sake of it.
Abbasid (Arabic: العبّاسيّون, Abbāsīyūn) is the dynastic name generally given to the caliph of Baghdad, the second of the two great Sunni dynasties of the Arab Empire, that overthrew the Umayyad caliphs from all but Spain. It descended from Muhammad's youngest uncles, Abbas ibn Abd al-Muttalib. It seized power in 750 and shifted the capital from Damascus to Baghdad. It flourished for two centuries, but slowly went into decline with the rise to power of the Turkish army it had created, the Mamluks. Within 150 years of gaining power across Iran, they were forced to cede power to local dynastic amirs who only nominally acknowledged their power, and had to cede Al Andalus to an escaped Umayyad royal and the Maghreb and Ifriqiya to independent Berber entities such as the Aghlabids and the Fatimids. Their rule was ended in 1258, when Hulagu Khan, the Mongol conqueror, sacked Baghdad. While they continued to claim authority in religious matters from their base in Egypt, the dynasty's secular authority had ended. Descendants of the Abbasids include the al-Abbasi tribe who live northeast of Tikrit in modern-day Iraq.
the Umayyad dynasty was a very bad period in the days of islam all cruelty and killing and making distraction in the islamic and the Umayyad killed many good islamic leaders just for their own ambition and power and to rule they were bad i am happy that the abbasid leaders kicked them out from the region.
mout ahmar
no it was not in the persion invasion but the persians did may trouble to the abbasid at that time to revenge on them.
the best islamic period is at the time prophet mohammed (peace be upon him) and 4 kholafa al rashidin and the abbasid and the andalus time that the only best time in the islamic period.
The town is first mentioned in the "Fall of Assyria Chronicle", as being a refuge for the Babylonian king Nabopolassar during his attack on the city of Assur in 615 BCE.
Around 1137, the legendary Kurdish leader Saladin was born there; his many achievements include defending Egypt against the Christian Crusaders and recapturing Jerusalem in 1187. The modern province of which Tikrit is the capital is named after him.
The town, and much of Iraq with it, was devastated in the 14th century by the Mongol invasion under Hulagu.
The town is now perhaps best known for being the birthplace in 1937 of the late President of Iraq, Saddam Hussein, who frequently liked to compare himself with Saladin. Many senior members of the Iraqi government during his rule were drawn from Saddam's own Tikriti tribe, the Al Bu Nasir, as were members of his Iraqi Republican Guard, chiefly because Saddam apparently felt that he was most able to rely on relatives and allies of his family. The Tikriti domination of the Iraqi government became something of an embarrassment to Saddam and prompted him in 1977 to abolish the use of surnames in Iraq to conceal the fact that so many of his key supporters bore the same surname, al-Tikriti (as did Saddam himself). Saddam Hussein was buried near Tikrit in his hometown of Owja following his hanging on December 30, 2006.
because azinorum you are always mentioning the names persian or kurdish names that it has nothing to do with mesopotamia becasue they only invaded mesopotamia and changed everything in it just to give them an excuse to rule it because of it's richness of its history and everything in it.
because azinorum you are always mentioning the names Persian or Kurdish names that it has nothing to do with Mesopotamia because they only invaded Mesopotamia and changed everything in it just to give them an excuse to rule it because of it's richness of its history and everything in it.
Of course they invaded because of Iraq's rich history, plentiful natural resources etc. but that doesn't change the fact that we were ruled for hundreds of years by the Persians, Greeks, Turks and later by Brits and Americans. Now if you want to suggest some "original Mesopotamian names" then go ahead. All you've offered so far is advice and accusations. Why don't you correct me using some references and facts, that way we can actually have a debate about the subject?
why don't stop mentioning these stupid invasions of these crazy invaders and stick on the mesopotaminas names to remember the glory of this land the land of the first prophets, and stop mentioning these invaders who are spoiling it IS JUST WHAT ARE THOSE STUPID KURDS ARE DOING RIGHT NOW TO GIVE AN EXCUSE TO RULE IT.
Will you give us peace please and keep those nasty remarks to yourself and allow us to have a good forum where all the good people are adding valueable opinion.
Also, who do you think you are to call the Kurds stupid??????? I think its time for you to look in the mirror before you call anyone stupid. I believe you lack knowledge and education.
ORIGINAL: Calm Will you give us peace please and keep those nasty remarks to yourself and allow us to have a good forum where all the good people are adding valueable opinion.
Sadiq2006 is a master in the art of killing threads. No matter what the subject he can only feel at ease when posting anti Kurdish/Iranian/Turkish slogans and insults. His ultra Pro-Mesopotamia stance would be bearable if his comments weren't so repetitive and predictable. Like a scratched record that just keeps repeating the same phrases over and over and over again.
SAMARRA - Medieval Islamic writers believed that the name “Samarra” is derived from the Arabic phrase, “Sarre men ra’a” "سر من رأى" which translates to “A joy for all who see”. It was changed later by Armenian soldiers to "Samarra" "ساء من رأى" which means "A sad for all who see".
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